There's no way people other than the deplorable base (and who gives a shit what they think at this point anyway?) will blame anyone other than republicans for this nonsense. Not happening folks.
The narrative I'm seeing is that this is healthy for the GOP...it shouldn't be easy, it's better than double digit inflation, open borders, etc.
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Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree.
What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here.
you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.
But I disagree with H2M. At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with. I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress.
“Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.
Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree.
What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here.
you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.
But I disagree with H2M. At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with. I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress.
“Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.
Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
I don't know that it would be McCarthy. I am saying sometimes you take a win when you didn't expect it. Remember, at this point the alternative might be even more power for the MAGA conference. Do we prefer that or that there is a moderate Republican speaker? For me, that choice is easy.
Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree.
What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here.
you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.
But I disagree with H2M. At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with. I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress.
“Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.
Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
I don't know that it would be McCarthy. I am saying sometimes you take a win when you didn't expect it. Remember, at this point the alternative might be even more power for the MAGA conference. Do we prefer that or that there is a moderate Republican speaker? For me, that choice is easy.
I agree, but I think it should be on the Rs with no help from the Dems. They will go back on any concessions and can't be trusted. Let them own it all.
Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree.
What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here.
you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.
But I disagree with H2M. At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with. I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress.
“Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.
Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
I don't know that it would be McCarthy. I am saying sometimes you take a win when you didn't expect it. Remember, at this point the alternative might be even more power for the MAGA conference. Do we prefer that or that there is a moderate Republican speaker? For me, that choice is easy.
It's odd to me that Gaetz, et al, don't consider McCarthy as conservative enough.
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Dems better NOT cut a deal. Fuck the repubs. They had their opportunities to be “responsible” and respectful. They have no decorum and you can’t trust them. At all. Let them twist and burn. This is what needs to happen to the repub party. It’ll then need to rise from the ashes. Good luck.
at what point will the republicans be able to turn this around and blame the dems for obstructing the process and impeding government progress? cuz you know that will happen at some point, and a large amount of their voters (and independents) will agree.
What? They are the majority. There is no chance of that happening or for it working politically if they attempt it. Everyone knows the deal here.
you underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. lol
Those people already blame Democrats for everything, so I don't think there is much chance of any swing or important voters blaming Ds.
But I disagree with H2M. At some point there, there is value in extracting concessions and having a Speaker that the D's can live with. I'm not sure when that point comes, but completely sidelining the Freedom Idiots would be a real win. And if they don't vote for the eventual speaker, they are neutered for the whole congress.
“Having a speaker the dems can live with.” THAT is NOT Kevin. Further, have all of you forgotten Moscow Mitchy Baby and Gym Jordan and his ilk during the Obama Administration, from the debate on Obamacare to Benghazi? These pukes are not be trusted and now is not the time to play wiffleball.
Mark my words, if dems bail out Kevin and everything goes south, and they will, the faux news and WSJ and the NY Puke will shout from the rooftops, “Well, if the dems didn’t bail out Kevin and make him speaker……” You know that will happen and indies will fall for it. Crash and burn, Kevin. For the republic.
Agreed let GOP eat each other up they can’t be trusted one bit! Screw them! Damn them specially on the two year anniversary of Insurrection, if I’m the Democrats I want everything in writing signed by Kevin, no investigations into current administration, no holding Debt ceiling hostage!
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yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. He is giving the Insurrection Caucus everything that they want. It's like the old saying, you want something bad enough, well you're going to get it bad.
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yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. He is giving the Insurrection Caucus everything that they want. It's like the old saying, you want something bad enough, well you're going to get it bad.
Yep. Odds of having a new speaker at some point later this year are probably pretty good.
yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. He is giving the Insurrection Caucus everything that they want. It's like the old saying, you want something bad enough, well you're going to get it bad.
Yep. Odds of having a new speaker at some point later this year are probably pretty good.
Markets love stability. Why prolong the agony and whipsaw everything? If we’re back where we are in two months from now, what’s the point?
There are probably a few 'fun' discussions in these families:
Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s allies have gone to extraordinary lengths to help lock up the speakership — which, in some cases, has involved great personal sacrifice.
Republican Rep. Wesley Hunt just had a baby a few days ago who had to spend some time in the NICU. He flew back to Texas to be with his wife and newborn but is now expected to return to Washington later today, according to McCarthy.
Republican Rep. Ken Buck, meanwhile, flew back to Colorado yesterday for a pre-planned medical procedure and is also coming back to Washington.
Sources also tell CNN that GOP Rep. Kevin Hern is willing to stay in Washington over the weekend if there are votes and he is needed. He was initially planning to be out of town this weekend for his mother’s funeral.
Meanwhile, across the aisle, there has also been all out effort to stop McCarthy. Democratic Rep. David Trone had shoulder surgery Friday morning and came to the Capitol after in hospital slippers.
It all shows how the once-in-a-century speaker fight has taken a personal toll on members.
Here are the concessions. ONE member can call for a no confidence vote, down from 5. That is crazy. What's going to happen is as soon as a debt ceiling vote passes (if it passes) with democratic support, some psycho is going to call for it and then we're right back here and the House grinds to a halt. That's unsustainable gov't.
The other option is that the ceiling doesn't get raised and the market crashes. This is going to get really ugly, very quickly.
If Dems bail them out McCarthy will not stick to any promises. That would be the stupidest thing they could do, opening the door for impeachment and Huter's lap top...and who knows what other hijinks. Let the Rs sort out their own mess.
If he did not follow his promises, then the D's could call for a new House speaker and start all over again. Remember that's a concession already extracted, moving the number to five members vs a majority for a no confidence type of vote. The D's would absolutely protect themselves that way.
but the dems would have to win a vote of a majority to actually unseat the speaker under the agreed upon concession. don't see that happening.
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If Dems bail them out McCarthy will not stick to any promises. That would be the stupidest thing they could do, opening the door for impeachment and Huter's lap top...and who knows what other hijinks. Let the Rs sort out their own mess.
If he did not follow his promises, then the D's could call for a new House speaker and start all over again. Remember that's a concession already extracted, moving the number to five members vs a majority for a no confidence type of vote. The D's would absolutely protect themselves that way.
but the dems would have to win a vote of a majority to actually unseat the speaker under the agreed upon concession. don't see that happening.
It could happen if their votes were required to seat the Speaker to start. In theory, the Insurrection Caucus wouldn't come back to McCarthy. Seems like a moot point though, and he only needs a few more votes.
Here are the concessions. ONE member can call for a no confidence vote, down from 5. That is crazy. What's going to happen is as soon as a debt ceiling vote passes (if it passes) with democratic support, some psycho is going to call for it and then we're right back here and the House grinds to a halt. That's unsustainable gov't.
The other option is that the ceiling doesn't get raised and the market crashes. This is going to get really ugly, very quickly.
granted the times were different, but that one vote has existed before. it would be interesting to find out how often it was used/attempted before. according to the news it was set back to five by Nancy Pelosi, so with the D/R at each other's throats for a good 20 years you'd think it would have been tried recently.
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What a lame tailpipe of a party. Wow, Kevin! How do you celebrate?
Maybe he could start by moving to a red state. Would not hurt my feelings, lol
The GOP doesn't seem to know up from down any more. How do they survive?
Hey bri, welcome back to amt, and congrats on being from the same state as the Speaker, again! Time to amend the Constitution, the Speaker must be from Cal!
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Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s allies have gone to extraordinary lengths to help lock up the speakership — which, in some cases, has involved great personal sacrifice.
Republican Rep. Wesley Hunt just had a baby a few days ago who had to spend some time in the NICU. He flew back to Texas to be with his wife and newborn but is now expected to return to Washington later today, according to McCarthy.
Republican Rep. Ken Buck, meanwhile, flew back to Colorado yesterday for a pre-planned medical procedure and is also coming back to Washington.
Sources also tell CNN that GOP Rep. Kevin Hern is willing to stay in Washington over the weekend if there are votes and he is needed. He was initially planning to be out of town this weekend for his mother’s funeral.
Meanwhile, across the aisle, there has also been all out effort to stop McCarthy. Democratic Rep. David Trone had shoulder surgery Friday morning and came to the Capitol after in hospital slippers.
It all shows how the once-in-a-century speaker fight has taken a personal toll on members.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-leadership-vote-01-06-23/index.html
Here are the concessions. ONE member can call for a no confidence vote, down from 5. That is crazy. What's going to happen is as soon as a debt ceiling vote passes (if it passes) with democratic support, some psycho is going to call for it and then we're right back here and the House grinds to a halt. That's unsustainable gov't.
The other option is that the ceiling doesn't get raised and the market crashes. This is going to get really ugly, very quickly.
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