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    Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited September 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    The GOP, "we're against big government... except when we're not":
    "As a newly elected congress member in 2013, now-governor of Florida Ron DeSantis was one of the 67 House Republicans who voted against a $9.7 billion federal flood insurance assistance package for the victims of Hurricane Sandy in New York and New Jersey. Now, with Florida on the ropes, DeSantis asked President Joe Biden for an emergency declaration to free up federal money and federal help even before the storm hit, and said Tuesday, “We all need to work together, regardless of party lines.”

    From Heather's letter.  See Mickey's Heather thread.

    I have to defend him on this as no one ever says why they voted No, and just that he voted no.  He wanted cuts from other programs to fund that one and when the bill was brought forth as added debt he voted no.

    I do wonder though if any federal money he accepts is added debt?  If that is the case then I would definitely report all of that and bury him.
    Maybe that $12 million he spent flying migrants from Tejas to Martha’s Vineyard could have been better spent in Flo Rida on hurricane damage preparedness/relief? Fuck Deathsantis and his POOTWH gonna be ambitions.
    Whataboutism...  I believe it was 1.2 million and not 12 but I see your point.

    The Republican-held Florida legislature approved a state budget earlier this year giving DeSantis $12m for a program to deport migrants, although the Wednesday flights appeared to have originated in Texas and it was unclear if the occupants had ever been in Florida.

    Other details are similarly opaque. Florida has provided no information about who the migrants are or how they were chosen, or about the logistics of the operation including the private company receiving Florida taxpayer money to fly them.

    The Florida congressman Charlie Crist, the Democrat seeking to oust DeSantis in November’s midterms, blasted the move as a “heartless political stunt” intended to bolster his opponent’s wider ambitions.

    “Everything Ron DeSantis does is to score political points with his hard-right base in a thinly veiled attempt to run for president, but it’s Floridians who pay the price,” Crist said in a statement.


    Score political points while simultaneously f'ing w/ brown immigrants who dared come to America seeking asylum? 

    That's a win / win for the GOP. 

    God bless America. 
    So talking to my right leaning friends about this they are all in agreement that the libs at Marthas are all hypocritical because they didn't want them there and were removed to another area.

    They have ZERO problem about people being flown about the country as political pawns.

    Every time I bring that up they throw another whataboutism at me and never answer the question i asked.  "Why isn't anyone angry about sending people across the country with no regard to them as people?!?"
    Does MV have the social services infrastructure necessary to help anyone in the first place?

    Does Texas? 

    Not disagreeing but they aren’t exactly the most helpful either. Geographically they should.  

    MV, politics aside is a small seasonal town so making an equivalent is not even fair.  Same as if Texas dumped them in a red state. Maybe Two-Dot Montana population 26. Same thing.  They couldn’t help even if they wanted to 
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    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    The GOP, "we're against big government... except when we're not":
    "As a newly elected congress member in 2013, now-governor of Florida Ron DeSantis was one of the 67 House Republicans who voted against a $9.7 billion federal flood insurance assistance package for the victims of Hurricane Sandy in New York and New Jersey. Now, with Florida on the ropes, DeSantis asked President Joe Biden for an emergency declaration to free up federal money and federal help even before the storm hit, and said Tuesday, “We all need to work together, regardless of party lines.”

    From Heather's letter.  See Mickey's Heather thread.

    I have to defend him on this as no one ever says why they voted No, and just that he voted no.  He wanted cuts from other programs to fund that one and when the bill was brought forth as added debt he voted no.

    I do wonder though if any federal money he accepts is added debt?  If that is the case then I would definitely report all of that and bury him.
    Maybe that $12 million he spent flying migrants from Tejas to Martha’s Vineyard could have been better spent in Flo Rida on hurricane damage preparedness/relief? Fuck Deathsantis and his POOTWH gonna be ambitions.
    Whataboutism...  I believe it was 1.2 million and not 12 but I see your point.

    The Republican-held Florida legislature approved a state budget earlier this year giving DeSantis $12m for a program to deport migrants, although the Wednesday flights appeared to have originated in Texas and it was unclear if the occupants had ever been in Florida.

    Other details are similarly opaque. Florida has provided no information about who the migrants are or how they were chosen, or about the logistics of the operation including the private company receiving Florida taxpayer money to fly them.

    The Florida congressman Charlie Crist, the Democrat seeking to oust DeSantis in November’s midterms, blasted the move as a “heartless political stunt” intended to bolster his opponent’s wider ambitions.

    “Everything Ron DeSantis does is to score political points with his hard-right base in a thinly veiled attempt to run for president, but it’s Floridians who pay the price,” Crist said in a statement.


    Score political points while simultaneously f'ing w/ brown immigrants who dared come to America seeking asylum? 

    That's a win / win for the GOP. 

    God bless America. 
    So talking to my right leaning friends about this they are all in agreement that the libs at Marthas are all hypocritical because they didn't want them there and were removed to another area.

    They have ZERO problem about people being flown about the country as political pawns.

    Every time I bring that up they throw another whataboutism at me and never answer the question i asked.  "Why isn't anyone angry about sending people across the country with no regard to them as people?!?"
    Does MV have the social services infrastructure necessary to help anyone in the first place?

    I brought that up too and crickets though one buddy mentioned the spacious 7 bedroom houses w 8 baths and there was "plenty of room for them"

    So I counter w the the humans treated as cattle question again and nadda.

    Believe me I try to get people to see a point if I think it's wrong but some just won't budge or listen.
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    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    The GOP, "we're against big government... except when we're not":
    "As a newly elected congress member in 2013, now-governor of Florida Ron DeSantis was one of the 67 House Republicans who voted against a $9.7 billion federal flood insurance assistance package for the victims of Hurricane Sandy in New York and New Jersey. Now, with Florida on the ropes, DeSantis asked President Joe Biden for an emergency declaration to free up federal money and federal help even before the storm hit, and said Tuesday, “We all need to work together, regardless of party lines.”

    From Heather's letter.  See Mickey's Heather thread.

    I have to defend him on this as no one ever says why they voted No, and just that he voted no.  He wanted cuts from other programs to fund that one and when the bill was brought forth as added debt he voted no.

    I do wonder though if any federal money he accepts is added debt?  If that is the case then I would definitely report all of that and bury him.
    Maybe that $12 million he spent flying migrants from Tejas to Martha’s Vineyard could have been better spent in Flo Rida on hurricane damage preparedness/relief? Fuck Deathsantis and his POOTWH gonna be ambitions.
    Whataboutism...  I believe it was 1.2 million and not 12 but I see your point.

    The Republican-held Florida legislature approved a state budget earlier this year giving DeSantis $12m for a program to deport migrants, although the Wednesday flights appeared to have originated in Texas and it was unclear if the occupants had ever been in Florida.

    Other details are similarly opaque. Florida has provided no information about who the migrants are or how they were chosen, or about the logistics of the operation including the private company receiving Florida taxpayer money to fly them.

    The Florida congressman Charlie Crist, the Democrat seeking to oust DeSantis in November’s midterms, blasted the move as a “heartless political stunt” intended to bolster his opponent’s wider ambitions.

    “Everything Ron DeSantis does is to score political points with his hard-right base in a thinly veiled attempt to run for president, but it’s Floridians who pay the price,” Crist said in a statement.


    Score political points while simultaneously f'ing w/ brown immigrants who dared come to America seeking asylum? 

    That's a win / win for the GOP. 

    God bless America. 
    So talking to my right leaning friends about this they are all in agreement that the libs at Marthas are all hypocritical because they didn't want them there and were removed to another area.

    They have ZERO problem about people being flown about the country as political pawns.

    Every time I bring that up they throw another whataboutism at me and never answer the question i asked.  "Why isn't anyone angry about sending people across the country with no regard to them as people?!?"
    Does MV have the social services infrastructure necessary to help anyone in the first place?

    No, it doesn’t… they relocated them to a military base on Cape Cod that was better suited to accommodate them, but that’s irrelevant to ignorant people. Nothing matters expect owning libs, and if you can exploit brown people in the process? All the better. 
    They actually use that as defending the action in the first place.  "See!  They didn't want them either!" 

    It's stupid...  It's a great counter from them if they don't see the bigger picture, or want to for that matter.
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    brianlux said:
    The GOP, "we're against big government... except when we're not":
    "As a newly elected congress member in 2013, now-governor of Florida Ron DeSantis was one of the 67 House Republicans who voted against a $9.7 billion federal flood insurance assistance package for the victims of Hurricane Sandy in New York and New Jersey. Now, with Florida on the ropes, DeSantis asked President Joe Biden for an emergency declaration to free up federal money and federal help even before the storm hit, and said Tuesday, “We all need to work together, regardless of party lines.”

    From Heather's letter.  See Mickey's Heather thread.

    I have to defend him on this as no one ever says why they voted No, and just that he voted no.  He wanted cuts from other programs to fund that one and when the bill was brought forth as added debt he voted no.

    I do wonder though if any federal money he accepts is added debt?  If that is the case then I would definitely report all of that and bury him.
    Maybe that $12 million he spent flying migrants from Tejas to Martha’s Vineyard could have been better spent in Flo Rida on hurricane damage preparedness/relief? Fuck Deathsantis and his POOTWH gonna be ambitions.
    Whataboutism...  I believe it was 1.2 million and not 12 but I see your point.
    Revisionist history much?

    A platoon of Texas lawmakers who voted against aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy in 2013 are scurrying to explain their votes in advance of being asked to vote for the same relief in the wake of Hurricane Harvey.

    The explanation they’ve crafted almost unanimously to avoid being tagged as hypocrites is that they favored Sandy relief, but the bill they were presented as senators and representatives was filled with unrelated pork. As supporters of fiscal responsibility, you see, they simply couldn’t in good conscience vote for the $50.5-billion relief measure.

    Don’t believe them. According to an incredibly detailed analysis performed in 2013 by the Congressional Research Service, virtually every cent of the Sandy relief bill was related to damage from that storm.

    Two-thirds of that bill had nothing to do with Sandy.

    — Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) voices a rank untruth about a Sandy relief bill

    Nevertheless, both of the state’s senators and all but one of its 24 GOP members of Congress voted against the Sandy relief bill. Depicting the bill as a side of pork is their story, and they’re sticking to it.

    https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-sandy-pork-20170830-story.html

    Revisionist me?  No, I actually brought up this point in an earlier comment.  The bill was added debt which they voted against.  Which I then asked if the emergency money they just asked for was adding to debt because if so that IS hypocritical.
    Of course it’s added debt and those hypocritical repubs knew this. They knew how disaster relief bills get funded and passed and previously, were not politicized. Otherwise, the funding debate gets bogged down in which programs get cut, programs that had previously been approved with budgets and some of which you can’t take money from, resulting in long delays of aid. But hey, it’s a couple of blue states and a black POTUS, fuck them. It had way more to do with trying to embarrass Barack and not allowing him any credit for anything. You forgot the drubbing Chris Bridge and Beach Closure Christie took for welcoming Barack to NJ, speaking highly of him and being seen walking through hard hit areas.

    So yea, revisionist history to now claim it was solely due to “adding to the deficit.” Or is it purposeful misinformation?
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    Funny how blue states end up resettling more migrants than red states but they’re not treating them like cattle or undesirables. So much for “compassionate conservatism.”
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    brianlux said:
    The GOP, "we're against big government... except when we're not":
    "As a newly elected congress member in 2013, now-governor of Florida Ron DeSantis was one of the 67 House Republicans who voted against a $9.7 billion federal flood insurance assistance package for the victims of Hurricane Sandy in New York and New Jersey. Now, with Florida on the ropes, DeSantis asked President Joe Biden for an emergency declaration to free up federal money and federal help even before the storm hit, and said Tuesday, “We all need to work together, regardless of party lines.”

    From Heather's letter.  See Mickey's Heather thread.

    I have to defend him on this as no one ever says why they voted No, and just that he voted no.  He wanted cuts from other programs to fund that one and when the bill was brought forth as added debt he voted no.

    I do wonder though if any federal money he accepts is added debt?  If that is the case then I would definitely report all of that and bury him.
    Maybe that $12 million he spent flying migrants from Tejas to Martha’s Vineyard could have been better spent in Flo Rida on hurricane damage preparedness/relief? Fuck Deathsantis and his POOTWH gonna be ambitions.
    Whataboutism...  I believe it was 1.2 million and not 12 but I see your point.
    Revisionist history much?

    A platoon of Texas lawmakers who voted against aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy in 2013 are scurrying to explain their votes in advance of being asked to vote for the same relief in the wake of Hurricane Harvey.

    The explanation they’ve crafted almost unanimously to avoid being tagged as hypocrites is that they favored Sandy relief, but the bill they were presented as senators and representatives was filled with unrelated pork. As supporters of fiscal responsibility, you see, they simply couldn’t in good conscience vote for the $50.5-billion relief measure.

    Don’t believe them. According to an incredibly detailed analysis performed in 2013 by the Congressional Research Service, virtually every cent of the Sandy relief bill was related to damage from that storm.

    Two-thirds of that bill had nothing to do with Sandy.

    — Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) voices a rank untruth about a Sandy relief bill

    Nevertheless, both of the state’s senators and all but one of its 24 GOP members of Congress voted against the Sandy relief bill. Depicting the bill as a side of pork is their story, and they’re sticking to it.

    https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-sandy-pork-20170830-story.html

    Revisionist me?  No, I actually brought up this point in an earlier comment.  The bill was added debt which they voted against.  Which I then asked if the emergency money they just asked for was adding to debt because if so that IS hypocritical.
    Of course it’s added debt and those hypocritical repubs knew this. They knew how disaster relief bills get funded and passed and previously, were not politicized. Otherwise, the funding debate gets bogged down in which programs get cut, programs that had previously been approved with budgets and some of which you can’t take money from, resulting in long delays of aid. But hey, it’s a couple of blue states and a black POTUS, fuck them. It had way more to do with trying to embarrass Barack and not allowing him any credit for anything. You forgot the drubbing Chris Bridge and Beach Closure Christie took for welcoming Barack to NJ, speaking highly of him and being seen walking through hard hit areas.

    So yea, revisionist history to now claim it was solely due to “adding to the deficit.” Or is it purposeful misinformation?
    This was their answer to the "party of NO" I believe?
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    brianlux said:
    The GOP, "we're against big government... except when we're not":
    "As a newly elected congress member in 2013, now-governor of Florida Ron DeSantis was one of the 67 House Republicans who voted against a $9.7 billion federal flood insurance assistance package for the victims of Hurricane Sandy in New York and New Jersey. Now, with Florida on the ropes, DeSantis asked President Joe Biden for an emergency declaration to free up federal money and federal help even before the storm hit, and said Tuesday, “We all need to work together, regardless of party lines.”

    From Heather's letter.  See Mickey's Heather thread.

    I have to defend him on this as no one ever says why they voted No, and just that he voted no.  He wanted cuts from other programs to fund that one and when the bill was brought forth as added debt he voted no.

    I do wonder though if any federal money he accepts is added debt?  If that is the case then I would definitely report all of that and bury him.
    Maybe that $12 million he spent flying migrants from Tejas to Martha’s Vineyard could have been better spent in Flo Rida on hurricane damage preparedness/relief? Fuck Deathsantis and his POOTWH gonna be ambitions.
    Whataboutism...  I believe it was 1.2 million and not 12 but I see your point.
    Revisionist history much?

    A platoon of Texas lawmakers who voted against aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy in 2013 are scurrying to explain their votes in advance of being asked to vote for the same relief in the wake of Hurricane Harvey.

    The explanation they’ve crafted almost unanimously to avoid being tagged as hypocrites is that they favored Sandy relief, but the bill they were presented as senators and representatives was filled with unrelated pork. As supporters of fiscal responsibility, you see, they simply couldn’t in good conscience vote for the $50.5-billion relief measure.

    Don’t believe them. According to an incredibly detailed analysis performed in 2013 by the Congressional Research Service, virtually every cent of the Sandy relief bill was related to damage from that storm.

    Two-thirds of that bill had nothing to do with Sandy.

    — Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) voices a rank untruth about a Sandy relief bill

    Nevertheless, both of the state’s senators and all but one of its 24 GOP members of Congress voted against the Sandy relief bill. Depicting the bill as a side of pork is their story, and they’re sticking to it.

    https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-sandy-pork-20170830-story.html

    Revisionist me?  No, I actually brought up this point in an earlier comment.  The bill was added debt which they voted against.  Which I then asked if the emergency money they just asked for was adding to debt because if so that IS hypocritical.
    Of course it’s added debt and those hypocritical repubs knew this. They knew how disaster relief bills get funded and passed and previously, were not politicized. Otherwise, the funding debate gets bogged down in which programs get cut, programs that had previously been approved with budgets and some of which you can’t take money from, resulting in long delays of aid. But hey, it’s a couple of blue states and a black POTUS, fuck them. It had way more to do with trying to embarrass Barack and not allowing him any credit for anything. You forgot the drubbing Chris Bridge and Beach Closure Christie took for welcoming Barack to NJ, speaking highly of him and being seen walking through hard hit areas.

    So yea, revisionist history to now claim it was solely due to “adding to the deficit.” Or is it purposeful misinformation?
    This was their answer to the "party of NO" I believe?
    I think you meant, "This was their answer 'as' the party of NO," yes? Which they still are and are being hypocritical by taking credit for bills they didn't vote yes on. 
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    Dysfunction in Texas AG’s office as Paxton seeks third term
    By JAKE BLEIBERG
    Today

    GATESVILLE, Texas (AP) — Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton’s staff this month quietly dropped a series of human trafficking and child sexual assault cases after losing track of one of the victims, a stumble in open court emblematic of broader dysfunction inside one of America’s most prominent law offices.

    The Republican has elevated his national profile in recent years, energizing the right by rushing into contentious court battles that have affected people far beyond Texas. He has fought access to abortion, Democratic immigration policy and the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

    But as Paxton seeks to fend off legal troubles and win a third term as Texas' top law enforcement official, his agency has come unmoored by disarray behind the scenes, with seasoned lawyers quitting over practices they say aim to slant legal work, reward loyalists and drum out dissent.

    An Associated Press investigation found Paxton and his deputies have sought to turn cases to political advantage or push a broader political agenda, including staff screenings of a debunked film questioning the 2020 election. Adding to the unrest was the secretive firing of a Paxton supporter less than two months into his job as an agency advisor after he tried to make a point by displaying child pornography in a meeting.

    The AP's account is based on hundreds of pages of records and interviews with more than two dozen current and former employees, many of whom spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of retaliation or because they were not authorized to talk publicly.

    In the small town of Gatesville, the fallout was felt this month with the collapse of cases dubbed “Operation Fallen Angel.” Six of the people indicted last year on allegations that they were involved in a scheme to force teenage girls to “exchange sexual contact for crystal methamphetamine” are now free. One is being held in the central Texas community on other charges. An eighth died in jail.

    “It’s absolutely broken. It’s just broken. You don’t do it this way,” Republican District Attorney Dusty Boyd said of the attorney general’s office, which took over the cases from his five-lawyer team. “I made the mistake of trusting them that they would come in and do a good job.”

    Paxton and his staff did not respond to voicemails, text messages and email questions sent Tuesday.

    For years, Paxton has weathered a storm of troubles like few other elected officials in the U.S., including felony securities fraud charges and a federal investigation into accusations of corruption . He has broadly denied wrongdoing and remained popular with GOP voters, even while losing staff.

    One prosecutor said he quit in January after supervisors pressured him to withhold evidence in a murder case. Another attorney signed a resignation letter in March that warned of growing hostility toward LGBTQ employees. By August, records show the division over human trafficking cases — a major emphasis in Texas, where more than 50 migrants died in the back of a trailer in June — had a job vacancy rate of 40%.

    “When you’re experiencing the type of climactic upheaval in an office, which affects agency-client relationships and trust, there’s naturally going to be a lot of movement among staff,” said Ron Del Vento, who served as a division chief under Paxton and four previous Texas attorneys general before retiring in 2019.

    “Collateral damage is inevitable,” he said.

    The latest departures are aftershocks of an extraordinary revolt in autumn 2020, when eight of Paxton’s top deputies accused the attorney general of using the office to help a political donor who employed a woman with whom Paxton acknowledged having had an extramarital affair. The deputies all quit or were fired after going to the FBI, which opened an investigation that remains ongoing.

    In America’s largest red state, the accusations have not given GOP voters pause about Paxton, who carried Donald Trump’s endorsement into again winning his party’s nomination. Paxton faces Democratic challenger Rochelle Garza, a first-time candidate and former ACLU attorney, in the November election.

    "He’s been one of the greatest attorneys general for the state of Texas and one of the most conservative ones in the entire country,” said Abraham George, chairman of the Collin County Republican Party, adding that Paxton deserves the same presumption of innocence as any other American.

    After the dramatic exit of Paxton’s top staff in 2020, those brought into senior roles included a California attorney who donated $10,000 to help Paxton fight his 2015 securities fraud indictment and Tom Kelly Gleason, a former ice cream company owner whose father gave $50,000 to the attorney general's legal defense fund.

    Gleason was fired less than two months into his new job as a law enforcement adviser. Paxton’s office has not disclosed why, but three people with knowledge of the matter said Gleason included child pornography in a work presentation at the agency’s Austin headquarters.

    The people said Gleason displayed the video — which one of them described as showing a man raping a small child — in a misguided effort to underscore agency investigators difficult work. It was met with outrage and caused the meeting to quickly dissolve.

    Afterward, Paxton’s top deputy, Brent Webster, told staff not to talk about what happened, according to one of the people.

    Gleason, who began his career as a police officer in the late 1970s, did not respond to voicemails, text messages, emails and letters left at this home and business. A lawyer who has represented him also did not respond to an email seeking comment.

    As of August, payroll data show the number of assistant attorneys general — the line lawyers who handle daily case and litigation work — in the criminal prosecutions division was down more than 25% from two years ago. The data, which was obtained under public records law, show the group that handles financial and white-collar cases was cut by more than half and merged with another division.

    “This is scary to me for the people of Texas,” said Linda Eads, who served as a deputy attorney general in the early 2000s, when she said it was rare for any division to have more than two or three vacancies.

    Boyd said staff turnover in Paxton's human trafficking unit contributed to the collapse of the cases in Gatesville. In the last two years, Republican lawmakers have doubled the division's budget to $3 million, but Boyd questioned whether it was well spent.

    On Sept. 13, the attorney general’s staff wrote in court papers that they were dismissing three trafficking cases because a witness had recanted and dropping the other four because they were “unable to locate victim.”

    “For Pete’s sake, you’re the AG’s office. You can’t find the victim?” Boyd said. “The culture is broken.”

    Bill Turner, who spent five years in the office under Paxton, said he quit in January after senior leaders tried to prevent him from turning over evidence to the defense in a murder prosecution. He would not discuss specifics, saying that could affect ongoing work related to the case.

    “We had a difference of opinion on the ethical obligations of a prosecutor and I didn’t feel like I could continue working in that environment,” said Turner, who was previously an elected Democratic district attorney in Texas.

    Two months later, assistant attorney general Jason Scully-Clemmons left the same division, accusing a new wave of executives in his resignation letter of “directing prosecutors to prioritize political considerations.” He also said the environment had grown hostile to LGBTQ employees around the time Paxton issued a legal opinion that set in motion child abuse investigations into the parents of transgender youth in Texas.

    Several other employees told AP that before Texas’ March primary elections, Amber Platt, a deputy over criminal justice cases, convened a meeting to ask about upcoming cases that would help Paxton’s reelection prospects. Scully-Clemmons, who declined to comment, referred to the meeting in his letter.

    In May, the head of Paxton’s election integrity division invited his team to a movie theater for a screening of “2000 Mules,” the debunked film that falsely claims to prove the 2020 election was stolen.

    “General Paxton will be present, among others, and I think they would love to have a good showing from our office,” assistant attorney general Jonathan White wrote in an email.

    As senior lawyers have been leaving the attorney general’s office, newcomers who’ve stuck by Paxton have seen their careers and compensation skyrocket.

    Aaron Reitz, who finished law school in 2017, was hired as an aide to Paxton’s top deputy at a salary of $135,000 in October 2020. The next month, after the deputy reported Paxton to the FBI and quit, Reitz was promoted to oversee agency legal strategy, a senior job making $205,000.

    In June, Reitz's assistant sent out invitations to a “2000 Mules viewing party," complete with barbecue. More than 90 staff and interns were later told to bring their own lunch.

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    Associated Press researcher Rhonda Shafner in New York and writers Paul J. Weber in Austin and Jamie Stengle in Dallas contributed to this report.


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    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 

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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,360
    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 


    yes, D's will sacrifice their own kind...

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    mickeyrat said:
    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 


    yes, D's will sacrifice their own kind...

    I struggled where to put that. Conspiracy thread or GOP thread.  At some point it merges into one as I really don’t see a difference anymore 
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    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 


    That is so crazy it is almost funny.  But then I realize they really believe this kind of shit and just shake my head rather than laugh.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,839
    brianlux said:
    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 


    That is so crazy it is almost funny.  But then I realize they really believe this kind of shit and just shake my head rather than laugh.
    If I don’t laugh, I’ll cry.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,275
    gaetz voted against hurricane ian relief.

    imagine being a representative of a state that just got demolished by a hurricane and then voting against federal aid.
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    Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
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    gaetz voted against hurricane ian relief.

    imagine being a representative of a state that just got demolished by a hurricane and then voting against federal aid.
    I suppose it’s better than those who do vote for the budget or whatever the spending package of they day is, and then vote against raising the debt ceiling in order to pay for the spending they already voted for 

    it’s pretty much the definition of being a deadbeat.  Rack up charges then walk away 
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,360

     
    Herschel Walker paid for girlfriend's abortion, report says
    By BILL BARROW
    Yesterday

    DUNWOODY, Ga. (AP) — Herschel Walker, who has vehemently opposed abortion rights as the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Georgia, paid for an abortion for his girlfriend in 2009, according to a new report published late Monday. The candidate called the accusation a “flat-out lie” and said he would sue.

    The Daily Beast spoke to a woman who said Walker paid for her abortion when they were dating. The news outlet reviewed a receipt showing her $575 payment for the procedure, along with a get-well card from Walker and her bank deposit records showing the image of a $700 personal check from Walker dated five days after the abortion receipt.

    The woman said Walker encouraged her to end the pregnancy, saying that the time wasn't right for a baby, The Daily Beast reported.

    In a statement, Walker said he would file a lawsuit against the news outlet on Tuesday morning.

    "This is a flat-out lie — and I deny this in the strongest terms possible," he wrote.

    Matt Fuller, the politics editor for The Daily Beast, tweeted in response: “I can tell you we stand behind every word and feel very solid about the story."

    Later Monday night, Walker appeared on Sean Hannity's program on Fox News, where Walker was asked if he recalled sending a $700 check to a girlfriend.

    “Well, I sent money to a lot of people,” he said. "I give money to people all the time because I’m always helping people. I believe in being generous. God has blessed me. I want to bless others.”

    The allegation against Walker is the latest in a series of stories about the football legend's past that has rocked the first-time candidate’s campaign in one of the most competitive Senate races in the country. Earlier this year, Walker acknowledged reports that he had three children he had not previously talked about publicly.

    Walker has often boasted of his work helping service members and veterans struggling with mental health. Yet The Associated Press reported in May that various records showed he overstated his role in a for-profit program that is alleged to have preyed upon veterans and service members while defrauding the government.

    The AP also has reported that a review of public records detailed accusations that Walker repeatedly threatened his ex-wife’s life, exaggerated claims of financial success and alarmed business associates with unpredictable behavior. Walker himself has at times discussed his long struggle with mental illness.

    As a Senate hopeful, Walker has supported a national ban on abortions with no exceptions for cases involving rape, incest or a woman’s health being at risk — particularly notable at a time when Roe v. Wade has been overturned by the Supreme Court and Democrats in Congress have been discussing codifying abortion rights into federal law.

    “I'm for life,” Walker has said repeatedly as he campaigns. When asked about whether he’d allow for any exceptions, he has said there are “no excuses” for the procedure.

    As the Republican nominee, Walker has sidestepped many questions about his earlier support for a national abortion ban, instead trying to turn the issue against his Democratic rival, Sen. Raphael Warnock, who supports abortion rights. Walker often characterizes abortion as “a woman killing her baby” and says he doesn't understand how Warnock, a Baptist pastor, can support the procedure being legal.

    Campaigning in Dunwoody, an Atlanta suburb, on Monday night, Warnock stressed his support for abortion rights.

    “I have a profound reverence for life. I have a deep and abiding respect for choice. I believe a patient’s room is too small and cramped a space for a woman, her doctor and the United States government,” he said, emphasizing Walker's support for a national ban.

    Warnock was dismissive when told of The Daily Beast story and when asked whether it might affect the outcome in Georgia. “I'll let the pundits decide,” he said.


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    Sounds about right 

    he says the right things on that issue. What he does is irrelevant, right?


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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,655

    Sounds about right 

    he says the right things on that issue. What he does is irrelevant, right?


    Were libs owned? Because that's all that matters. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,839
    Herschel is giving us a perfect look into the future. The guys who make abortion illegal will always get abortions for the women in their lives who want them. If they could not, there’s no way it would become illegal in any state, much less federally.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,156
    OnWis97 said:
    Herschel is giving us a perfect look into the future. The guys who make abortion illegal will always get abortions for the women in their lives who want them. If they could not, there’s no way it would become illegal in any state, much less federally.
    So tired of the hypocrisy ...
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,655

    The hypocrisy is a virtue to this modern day GOP, not a liability.... see my previous comment about "owning libs" being all that matters. 
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    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 

    Do u have a link to this madness?
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    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 

    Do u have a link to this madness?
    There you go.  This stuff starts at the fringe and moves mainstream.  Case in point: Q

    we need to let this one swirl around for a while. It’s early days still

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/lauren-witzke-and-deanna-lorraine-say-deep-state-using-weather-manipulation-technology-to-punish-desantis

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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,156
    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 

    Do u have a link to this madness?
    My initial thought when DeSantis called the storm surge "biblical" was that they should take the hint and god is trying to purge the world from Desantis and his followers.  
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,477
    OnWis97 said:
    Herschel is giving us a perfect look into the future. The guys who make abortion illegal will always get abortions for the women in their lives who want them. If they could not, there’s no way it would become illegal in any state, much less federally.
    So tired of the hypocrisy ...
    It is a feature, not a bug, in the modern Maga Republican party. Pertains to just about every issue too. 


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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,156

    The hypocrisy is a virtue to this modern day GOP, not a liability.... see my previous comment about "owning libs" being all that matters. 
    You are, unfortunately, spot on
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,156
    OnWis97 said:
    Herschel is giving us a perfect look into the future. The guys who make abortion illegal will always get abortions for the women in their lives who want them. If they could not, there’s no way it would become illegal in any state, much less federally.
    So tired of the hypocrisy ...
    It is a feature, not a bug, in the modern Maga Republican party. Pertains to just about every issue too. 


    Agree...
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,145
    The far right is now claiming the deep state is using weather manipulation technology to create hurricanes to punish Florida for not having vaccine mandates 


    Seems crazy when climate change is way too fantastical idea for them to comprehend, but some insane conspiracy isn’t 

    Do u have a link to this madness?
    There you go.  This stuff starts at the fringe and moves mainstream.  Case in point: Q

    we need to let this one swirl around for a while. It’s early days still

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/lauren-witzke-and-deanna-lorraine-say-deep-state-using-weather-manipulation-technology-to-punish-desantis

    And there is no talking them out of it. Some of these idiots still blame Obama for 911
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