White Privilege
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cblock4life said:mace1229 said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
If you condone violence against cops you are just as evil of a person who condones violence because of race.
Cops are people, they have lives and families. Promoting going out and beating random cops makes you a horrible person if you meant that.0 -
mcgruff10 said:@tbergs I am almost positive you are from Minnesota. Question, is Minneapolis pretty racist or is this a isolated incident? Were you surprised this happened?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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cblock4life said:mcgruff10 said:cblock4life said:mcgruff10 said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
How could any white person have any real knowledge of what it is like being black? Do I get any street cred since I grew up in Neptune and went to a predominantly black high school?
And as a teacher I feel I see beyond the fluff.
I have no no clue what sea, hear and now has to do with this.
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rgambs said:mcgruff10 said:@tbergs I am almost positive you are from Minnesota. Question, is Minneapolis pretty racist or is this a isolated incident? Were you surprised this happened?
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Violence against cops is not only wrong and immoral and makes anyone who condones it just as bad as the idea they are protesting, but who do they think it’s going to help.
A cop if ambushed and severely beat. If he survives, hows that going to impact his temperament next time he faces a similar crowd? Isn’t the goal to make this nfs better, not worse. If you condone random violence you aren’t for change, you’re for division and revenge. I can’t believe anyone would actually say that’s ok. I hope your employers look at your social media and realize what kind of person you are and get fired like that lady did in the park last week.0 -
mace1229 said:cblock4life said:mace1229 said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
If you condone violence against cops you are just as evil of a person who condones violence because of race.
Cops are people, they have lives and families. Promoting going out and beating random cops makes you a horrible person if you meant that.0 -
mace1229 said:HesCalledDyer said:PJPOWER said:Meltdown99 said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:Those who are objecting to the protests are also "condoning violence"; it's just that it's police violence that they're condoning. Because it's a certainty that other methods have not been effective in combating police violence.
I say go for it! Burn it all down. Start over.
I can think of a lot of in between that was skipped over.mace1229 said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
If you condone violence against cops you are just as evil of a person who condones violence because of race.
Cops are people, they have lives and families. Promoting going out and beating random cops makes you a horrible person if you meant that.These protests are getting out of control because nothing has changed for years. Add that you have angry white people that just want to riot coopting the movement to just have a rush of rioting. I was out supporting my community in Austin yesterday. The BLM organizers kept telling people don’t allow the movement to get coopted by people looking for violence that gives the cops reason to shoot and gives the news crews the footage they need to delegitimize our movement. Eventually things started getting crazy because the opportunists started stirring the anger which when you have a lot of angry people isn’t hard to do. We left when the pepper spray and rubber bullets started Flying but there were four hours of peaceful protests before bad actors took over and started throwing water bottles at cops. As night wore on things got crazier.
the organizers of today’s “Justice for them all” march planned in Austin cancelled because they felt that their non violent protest was going to be taken over by the same group of largely white thrill seekers and couldn’t assure everyone’s safety.
so here we are you have white cops causing horrific problems and then you have white people stirring shit up and keeping peaceful protests from actually happening(at least in my city). What options are there. My black family in friends still have to live with clear and present stress everyday even after years of peaceful protests that have largely been talked as if they are overblown and that the problems of the black community aren’t as bad as people say.Scio me nihil scire
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mace1229 said:Violence against cops is not only wrong and immoral and makes anyone who condones it just as bad as the idea they are protesting, but who do they think it’s going to help.
A cop if ambushed and severely beat. If he survives, hows that going to impact his temperament next time he faces a similar crowd? Isn’t the goal to make this nfs better, not worse. If you condone random violence you aren’t for change, you’re for division and revenge. I can’t believe anyone would actually say that’s ok. I hope your employers look at your social media and realize what kind of person you are and get fired like that lady did in the park last week.0 -
cblock4life said:mace1229 said:cblock4life said:mace1229 said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
If you condone violence against cops you are just as evil of a person who condones violence because of race.
Cops are people, they have lives and families. Promoting going out and beating random cops makes you a horrible person if you meant that.
I won’t of course, but sounds like you’d be okay with that?0 -
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cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
"beat as many cops as you want". Does that include the cops who are marching with the protesters? Does that include the ones who have spoken out in no uncertain terms against Derek Chauvin's despicable actions? You would have them beaten? Really???
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cblock4life said:mace1229 said:cblock4life said:mace1229 said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
If you condone violence against cops you are just as evil of a person who condones violence because of race.
Cops are people, they have lives and families. Promoting going out and beating random cops makes you a horrible person if you meant that.
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brianlux said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
"beat as many cops as you want". Does that include the cops who are marching with the protesters? Does that include the ones who have spoken out in no uncertain terms against Derek Chauvin's despicable actions? You would have them beaten? Really???0 -
mace1229 said:brianlux said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
"beat as many cops as you want". Does that include the cops who are marching with the protesters? Does that include the ones who have spoken out in no uncertain terms against Derek Chauvin's despicable actions? You would have them beaten? Really???I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
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mace1229 said:brianlux said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
"beat as many cops as you want". Does that include the cops who are marching with the protesters? Does that include the ones who have spoken out in no uncertain terms against Derek Chauvin's despicable actions? You would have them beaten? Really???Agreed. And I say that as one, like pretty much everybody here, who is outraged at what Chauvin and the other three cops who stood by and let it happen and as one who understands the anger around this incident. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But beat other, decent cops? No way. Who thinks like that? Would James Baldwin, a black man who pointed out that change has not happened in generation after generation go along with this "beat all cops" attitude? No, I don't think so."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
mace1229 said:Lerxst1992 said:mace1229 said:PJNB said:mace1229 said:oftenreading said:Skipped over?No. There have been so many other protests and social actions taken over the years and decades that haven’t led to change. In fact, some of the people on these boards complained about those ones, too. I remember how annoyed people were over roads being peacefully blocked.
But now that you bring it up, have they been consistent? I don’t believe so. Those protests on a large scale blocking freeways are one weekend every few years. Can’t really expect that to be very effective.So yeah, I still think there is a lot of ideas skipped over if you think riots, looting and arson are the next step in your voice.
When teachers strike they don’t march on the capital 1 afternoon and expect change. They do it until the increase the education budget. Sometimes it takes weeks or months of consistent striking, marching and picketing on the capital steps. Not one weekend every few years then jump to burning down buildings when that doesn’t work.
Can you give me an example of a large scar peaceful protest, other than the NFL kneeling, that has lasted consistently for months?
There probably have been some. But nothing as disruptive as marching on a freeway would have been. Kneeling at the NFL disrupts no one.
I don’t think there has been a large scale peaceful police protest that was disruptive to every day life like on the scale of teacher strikes. And there can be. March on a major freeway every morning during rushour. That would be peaceful and more effective than burning down a city.
You can’t protest for a weekend and expect change. And that is often (not always) the case.Under normal conditions, people don’t have the time or wherewithal to march on a freeway. It’s seems a more likely way to get arrested or killed as frustrated commuters will be tempted to run over protestors. Also, boxed in freeway walls are like a natural crowd control helping police maximize arrests. There’s limited traffic now so the freeway option really wouldn’t do much as far as visibility or getting people to care about the root problem.Part of the problem now is people are unemployed, have too much time on their hands and have pent up frustration sitting at home for two months worried about a lethal pandemic. Most of us don’t want riots. But there is an ongoing crisis nobody has been able to solve.And the bigger problem is racism in the US and giving positions of authority and power to racists. If there is an easy solution, it’s been 160 years since the Civil War and I’m not sure we have found it.
But my point was there haven’t really been that many consistent rallies/protests that draw a lot of attention. When they do something like that, it lasts for a couple days and that’s it. Then a few years later people ask why wasn’t it effective? Don’t march in the freeway, circle the police buildings and block the parking lot, preventing people from leaving at the end of their shift. I don’t know, that’s what I thought of in about 4 seconds, I’m sure a group of people who plan ahead could come up with much better ideas.
Of course it’s going to be inconvenient for everyone. That’s what makes it work. Saying they don’t have the time or wherewithal I don’t think is a good reason. I remember 15 years ago when supermarket employees went on strike. I’m sure it was tough on them going without pay for months, but after a while people got tired of empty stores and they agreed to their demands. A couple years later the sanitation dept went on strike. Again, I’m sure it was very difficult for them, but after months of trash not being collected they got their demands. Same with teachers, they don’t want to burn sick time or spend spring break marching on the capital, but if they wanted change they have to sometimes.
These weekend/week long riots and protests solve nothing.Really it would take a leader with clear demands to organize a peaceful but disruptive way to demonstrate. Just saying we want equality won’t matter, there needs to be specific tangible demands that can be documented. But unfortunately too many of the would-be leaders just thrive and benefit off the violence instead of channeling the energy into something constructive.
would it be better to protest monetarily? A Black Tea Party? Stop paying taxes, bleed the police departments of money instead of burning innocent property and risking death?0 -
static111 said:mace1229 said:HesCalledDyer said:PJPOWER said:Meltdown99 said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:Those who are objecting to the protests are also "condoning violence"; it's just that it's police violence that they're condoning. Because it's a certainty that other methods have not been effective in combating police violence.
I say go for it! Burn it all down. Start over.
I can think of a lot of in between that was skipped over.mace1229 said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
If you condone violence against cops you are just as evil of a person who condones violence because of race.
Cops are people, they have lives and families. Promoting going out and beating random cops makes you a horrible person if you meant that.These protests are getting out of control because nothing has changed for years. Add that you have angry white people that just want to riot coopting the movement to just have a rush of rioting. I was out supporting my community in Austin yesterday. The BLM organizers kept telling people don’t allow the movement to get coopted by people looking for violence that gives the cops reason to shoot and gives the news crews the footage they need to delegitimize our movement. Eventually things started getting crazy because the opportunists started stirring the anger which when you have a lot of angry people isn’t hard to do. We left when the pepper spray and rubber bullets started Flying but there were four hours of peaceful protests before bad actors took over and started throwing water bottles at cops. As night wore on things got crazier.
the organizers of today’s “Justice for them all” march planned in Austin cancelled because they felt that their non violent protest was going to be taken over by the same group of largely white thrill seekers and couldn’t assure everyone’s safety.
so here we are you have white cops causing horrific problems and then you have white people stirring shit up and keeping peaceful protests from actually happening(at least in my city). What options are there. My black family in friends still have to live with clear and present stress everyday even after years of peaceful protests that have largely been talked as if they are overblown and that the problems of the black community aren’t as bad as people say.0 -
brianlux said:mace1229 said:brianlux said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
"beat as many cops as you want". Does that include the cops who are marching with the protesters? Does that include the ones who have spoken out in no uncertain terms against Derek Chauvin's despicable actions? You would have them beaten? Really???Agreed. And I say that as one, like pretty much everybody here, who is outraged at what Chauvin and the other three cops who stood by and let it happen and as one who understands the anger around this incident. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But beat other, decent cops? No way. Who thinks like that? Would James Baldwin, a black man who pointed out that change has not happened in generation after generation go along with this "beat all cops" attitude? No, I don't think so.0 -
cblock4life said:cblock4life said:mcgruff10 said:cblock4life said:mcgruff10 said:cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
How could any white person have any real knowledge of what it is like being black? Do I get any street cred since I grew up in Neptune and went to a predominantly black high school?
And as a teacher I feel I see beyond the fluff.
I have no no clue what sea, hear and now has to do with this.
Significant since high school....I volunteered for a few years teaching english to the hispanic community in Red Bank, NJ. I became a teacher and taught the Civil Rights Movement and the Holocaust for 18 years. I had a kid then free time escaped me lol.
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