White Privilege
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I agree with the last comment but I would also think that most of the people that are burning down a city are not the same ones that would be willing to go arm and arm and shut a freeway down peacefully. That also has happened in the past and is incredibly dangerous for the protesters with people ramming through with their vehicles.mace1229 said:
No I wasn’t comparing them. I was just saying even with teacher strikes, someone who as you claim had all the power, can still take months.PJNB said:
Are you really comparing teacher strikes to this? Teachers have all the power. They strike and the kids do not get to go to school and learn. Same when the nurses strike or the transportation system. They all have power to hold over the groups they are striking against. What do these protesters have that they can use that is comparable?mace1229 said:
Well that was what the comment I responded to stated. Since kneeling didn’t works let’s burn down the city.oftenreading said:Skipped over?No. There have been so many other protests and social actions taken over the years and decades that haven’t led to change. In fact, some of the people on these boards complained about those ones, too. I remember how annoyed people were over roads being peacefully blocked.
But now that you bring it up, have they been consistent? I don’t believe so. Those protests on a large scale blocking freeways are one weekend every few years. Can’t really expect that to be very effective.So yeah, I still think there is a lot of ideas skipped over if you think riots, looting and arson are the next step in your voice.
When teachers strike they don’t march on the capital 1 afternoon and expect change. They do it until the increase the education budget. Sometimes it takes weeks or months of consistent striking, marching and picketing on the capital steps. Not one weekend every few years then jump to burning down buildings when that doesn’t work.
Can you give me an example of a large scar peaceful protest, other than the NFL kneeling, that has lasted consistently for months?
There probably have been some. But nothing as disruptive as marching on a freeway would have been. Kneeling at the NFL disrupts no one.
I don’t think there has been a large scale peaceful police protest that was disruptive to every day life like on the scale of teacher strikes. And there can be. March on a major freeway every morning during rushour. That would be peaceful and more effective than burning down a city.
I see this as 3 groups.
The pissed off peaceful protesters who are still getting kicked and maced by the cops
The pissed off rioters
The opportunist rioters
The first two have the same endgame in mind I would imagine. The 3rd group is out of everyone's control no matter what is done or decided on. Also there are so many cities and different people with these protests that it would be damn near impossible for everyone to fall in line with each other and mover forward with a common peaceful protest that gets people to still notice. From my experience where I live with my friends and family occupations like cops,teachers,nurses, transportation, and trades unions are all strong and stick together. They do not waiver and fold or go off of the script that is laid out for them by a higher up. With these riots it is completely different. It is not wages or vacation time we are talking about here but years and years of oppression racism and murder.
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Tim Simmons said:
This clip has been making the rounds the past few days. I think its a worthy response to this.mace1229 said:
And you can’t think of anything between kneeling down before and NFL game and burning an entire city of innocent people and dragging cops who had nothing tondo with the incident through the city?HesCalledDyer said:
Well, they've tried peacefully protesting (e.g. Kaepernick's anthem kneeling) and white amerikkka has a problem with that, too, so... protesting is now burning and looting.PJPOWER said:
ExactlyMeltdown99 said:
Yup. Protesting is not burning and looting...PJPOWER said:
I guess you’ve got to be okay with store owners using violence to combat the looters, etc, etc, etcoftenreading said:Those who are objecting to the protests are also "condoning violence"; it's just that it's police violence that they're condoning. Because it's a certainty that other methods have not been effective in combating police violence.
I say go for it! Burn it all down. Start over.
I can think of a lot of in between that was skipped over.
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People had their shot to get on board with Kap a few years ago. Yet still more Blacks were murdered by the police. More peaceful rallies, marches and protests happened in response to those tragedies too, and yet it still keeps happening. It sucks that theres is so much chaos and destruction. But maybe now they have peoples ears, eyes, and hearts.Right on, Mr. Baldwin.Highly recommended:
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mace1229 said:
No I wasn’t comparing them. I was just saying even with teacher strikes, someone who as you claim had all the power, can still take months.PJNB said:
Are you really comparing teacher strikes to this? Teachers have all the power. They strike and the kids do not get to go to school and learn. Same when the nurses strike or the transportation system. They all have power to hold over the groups they are striking against. What do these protesters have that they can use that is comparable?mace1229 said:
Well that was what the comment I responded to stated. Since kneeling didn’t works let’s burn down the city.oftenreading said:Skipped over?No. There have been so many other protests and social actions taken over the years and decades that haven’t led to change. In fact, some of the people on these boards complained about those ones, too. I remember how annoyed people were over roads being peacefully blocked.
But now that you bring it up, have they been consistent? I don’t believe so. Those protests on a large scale blocking freeways are one weekend every few years. Can’t really expect that to be very effective.So yeah, I still think there is a lot of ideas skipped over if you think riots, looting and arson are the next step in your voice.
When teachers strike they don’t march on the capital 1 afternoon and expect change. They do it until the increase the education budget. Sometimes it takes weeks or months of consistent striking, marching and picketing on the capital steps. Not one weekend every few years then jump to burning down buildings when that doesn’t work.
Can you give me an example of a large scar peaceful protest, other than the NFL kneeling, that has lasted consistently for months?
There probably have been some. But nothing as disruptive as marching on a freeway would have been. Kneeling at the NFL disrupts no one.
I don’t think there has been a large scale peaceful police protest that was disruptive to every day life like on the scale of teacher strikes. And there can be. March on a major freeway every morning during rushour. That would be peaceful and more effective than burning down a city.
You can’t protest for a weekend and expect change. And that is often (not always) the case.Under normal conditions, people don’t have the time or wherewithal to march on a freeway. It’s seems a more likely way to get arrested or killed as frustrated commuters will be tempted to run over protestors. Also, boxed in freeway walls are like a natural crowd control helping police maximize arrests. There’s limited traffic now so the freeway option really wouldn’t do much as far as visibility or getting people to care about the root problem.Part of the problem now is people are unemployed, have too much time on their hands and have pent up frustration sitting at home for two months worried about a lethal pandemic. Most of us don’t want riots. But there is an ongoing crisis nobody has been able to solve.And the bigger problem is racism in the US and giving positions of authority and power to racists. If there is an easy solution, it’s been 160 years since the Civil War and I’m not sure we have found it.0 -
Haha - LA is television city.
It really is heartbreaking; that area is made up mostly of longtime Jewish businesses and restaurants. Many, in families for years, now *poof*.
All over, just fucking sad.0 -
Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
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Critical thinking isn't your thing huh? Beat as many cops as you want? My god. I support non violent protest. Sit ins worked. Boycotts worked.cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
on another note:George Floyd was 'non-responsive' for nearly three minutes before Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin took his knee off his neck, according to a criminal complaint released on Friday.
The complaint filed by the Hennepin County Attorney's Office also cited a preliminary autopsy report showing that there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."
Instead, the report said that it was the "combined effect of Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."Floyd was 46 when he died. He had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, according to the report.
He died during an arrest on Monday after Chauvin pinned him down. Footage of the incident shows Floyd was not resisting and telling the officer: "I can't breathe."
The family plans a second, independent autopsy.
The complaint noted that police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a "prone position is inherently dangerous."
The report was filed alongside the arrest of Chauvin, who was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter on Friday. The arrest came four days after the incident. The three other officers involved in the incident, which has sparked nationwide protests, were fired on Tuesday.
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That’s right, it’s EXACTLY how I feel, you’re just a teacher, you see all the fluff. Walk in these peoples shoes or among them for years and years and years and you may feel differently. You have no knowledge of what being a black person in America is like...at least I’ve been consistent in my opinions. So you had another payment taken out for Sea, Hear, Now yet you stated you live ten minutes away and wouldn’t dare attend. What a hypocrite you aremcgruff10 said:
Critical thinking isn't your thing huh? Beat as many cops as you want? My god.cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.0 -
100% wrong and offensive. Not all cops are bad and racists, most don’t deserve beatings. This is just a ridiculous statement. My brother will likely be in LA on riot patrol Monday, I’m praying his safety.cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
If you condone violence against cops you are just as evil of a person who condones violence because of race.
Cops are people, they have lives and families. Promoting going out and beating random cops makes you a horrible person if you meant that.0 -
Yes advocating for violence against cops imo definitely represents a lack of critical thinking. What could that possibly accomplish?cblock4life said:
That’s right, it’s EXACTLY how I feel, you’re just a teacher, you see all the fluff. Walk in these peoples shoes or among them for years and years and years and you may feel differently. You have no knowledge of what being a black person in America is like...at least I’ve been consistent in my opinions. So you had another payment taken out for Sea, Hear, Now yet you stated you live ten minutes away and wouldn’t dare attend. What a hypocrite you aremcgruff10 said:
Critical thinking isn't your thing huh? Beat as many cops as you want? My god.cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
How could any white person have any real knowledge of what it is like being black? Do I get any street cred since I grew up in Neptune and went to a predominantly black high school?
And as a teacher I feel I see beyond the fluff.
I have no no clue what sea, hear and now has to do with this.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
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I agree marching on freeways wouldn’t be the best idea. I was responding to a comment where someone said marching on a freeway didn’t work so the next step is burning down the city. That’s ridiculous.Lerxst1992 said:mace1229 said:
No I wasn’t comparing them. I was just saying even with teacher strikes, someone who as you claim had all the power, can still take months.PJNB said:
Are you really comparing teacher strikes to this? Teachers have all the power. They strike and the kids do not get to go to school and learn. Same when the nurses strike or the transportation system. They all have power to hold over the groups they are striking against. What do these protesters have that they can use that is comparable?mace1229 said:
Well that was what the comment I responded to stated. Since kneeling didn’t works let’s burn down the city.oftenreading said:Skipped over?No. There have been so many other protests and social actions taken over the years and decades that haven’t led to change. In fact, some of the people on these boards complained about those ones, too. I remember how annoyed people were over roads being peacefully blocked.
But now that you bring it up, have they been consistent? I don’t believe so. Those protests on a large scale blocking freeways are one weekend every few years. Can’t really expect that to be very effective.So yeah, I still think there is a lot of ideas skipped over if you think riots, looting and arson are the next step in your voice.
When teachers strike they don’t march on the capital 1 afternoon and expect change. They do it until the increase the education budget. Sometimes it takes weeks or months of consistent striking, marching and picketing on the capital steps. Not one weekend every few years then jump to burning down buildings when that doesn’t work.
Can you give me an example of a large scar peaceful protest, other than the NFL kneeling, that has lasted consistently for months?
There probably have been some. But nothing as disruptive as marching on a freeway would have been. Kneeling at the NFL disrupts no one.
I don’t think there has been a large scale peaceful police protest that was disruptive to every day life like on the scale of teacher strikes. And there can be. March on a major freeway every morning during rushour. That would be peaceful and more effective than burning down a city.
You can’t protest for a weekend and expect change. And that is often (not always) the case.Under normal conditions, people don’t have the time or wherewithal to march on a freeway. It’s seems a more likely way to get arrested or killed as frustrated commuters will be tempted to run over protestors. Also, boxed in freeway walls are like a natural crowd control helping police maximize arrests. There’s limited traffic now so the freeway option really wouldn’t do much as far as visibility or getting people to care about the root problem.Part of the problem now is people are unemployed, have too much time on their hands and have pent up frustration sitting at home for two months worried about a lethal pandemic. Most of us don’t want riots. But there is an ongoing crisis nobody has been able to solve.And the bigger problem is racism in the US and giving positions of authority and power to racists. If there is an easy solution, it’s been 160 years since the Civil War and I’m not sure we have found it.
But my point was there haven’t really been that many consistent rallies/protests that draw a lot of attention. When they do something like that, it lasts for a couple days and that’s it. Then a few years later people ask why wasn’t it effective? Don’t march in the freeway, circle the police buildings and block the parking lot, preventing people from leaving at the end of their shift. I don’t know, that’s what I thought of in about 4 seconds, I’m sure a group of people who plan ahead could come up with much better ideas.
Of course it’s going to be inconvenient for everyone. That’s what makes it work. Saying they don’t have the time or wherewithal I don’t think is a good reason. I remember 15 years ago when supermarket employees went on strike. I’m sure it was tough on them going without pay for months, but after a while people got tired of empty stores and they agreed to their demands. A couple years later the sanitation dept went on strike. Again, I’m sure it was very difficult for them, but after months of trash not being collected they got their demands. Same with teachers, they don’t want to burn sick time or spend spring break marching on the capital, but if they wanted change they have to sometimes.
These weekend/week long riots and protests solve nothing.Really it would take a leader with clear demands to organize a peaceful but disruptive way to demonstrate. Just saying we want equality won’t matter, there needs to be specific tangible demands that can be documented. But unfortunately too many of the would-be leaders just thrive and benefit off the violence instead of channeling the energy into something constructive.0 -
You have every right to pray for your brothers safety, just like every black mother prayers for their children’s safety when they walk out the door every day. Ask your brother if he would have stopped the cop with his knee on the mans neck and if he’s honest he’ll tell you no, that they live by a code that they hold tight. My father in law was a police officer and his brother as well and when we would sit talk and be honest they would tell you that their fellow officers were always protected and they all lie for each other. Times are changing because of cell phones otherwise you’d never know what really goes on. And how is grouping all police together any different than how cops group black people, Latinos, etc.mace1229 said:
100% wrong and offensive. Not all cops are bad and racists, most don’t deserve beatings. This is just a ridiculous statement. My brother will likely be in LA on riot patrol Monday, I’m praying his safety.cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
If you condone violence against cops you are just as evil of a person who condones violence because of race.
Cops are people, they have lives and families. Promoting going out and beating random cops makes you a horrible person if you meant that.0 -
And there you go.F Me In The Brain said:Glad it makes you guys laugh.
I hope nobody burns either of your homes down - stay safe.hippiemom = goodness0 -
You’re entitled to your opinions but I’ve been critically thinking about these issues since the first day my husband stepped into Gratorford in Philadelphia over 30 years ago. How many black people do you instruct? Unless it’s a whole classroom full you know nothing.mcgruff10 said:
Yes advocating for violence against cops imo definitely represents a lack of critical thinking. What could that possibly accomplish?cblock4life said:
That’s right, it’s EXACTLY how I feel, you’re just a teacher, you see all the fluff. Walk in these peoples shoes or among them for years and years and years and you may feel differently. You have no knowledge of what being a black person in America is like...at least I’ve been consistent in my opinions. So you had another payment taken out for Sea, Hear, Now yet you stated you live ten minutes away and wouldn’t dare attend. What a hypocrite you aremcgruff10 said:
Critical thinking isn't your thing huh? Beat as many cops as you want? My god.cblock4life said:Apologies if this has already been stated but white privilege started in 1619, over 400 years ago. So violence after 400 years seems reasonable, no? I wish they would stop hurting businesses, but go ahead and burn precincts and beat as many cops as you want. 400 years is a long time to make up for.
How could any white person have any real knowledge of what it is like being black? Do I get any street cred since I grew up in Neptune and went to a predominantly black high school?
And as a teacher I feel I see beyond the fluff.
I have no no clue what sea, hear and now has to do with this.0 -
I gotta agree with you on this. I’m surprised that people are surprised about this. I was hoping it wouldn’t rise to this, but even after everything, you had a cop kneeing on a guys neck for 9 minutes and him dead. That’s why we are where we are today. Hopefully something can happen to cool heads in immediate future, but the only thing that will stop this from occurring is to actually have systemic changes.oftenreading said:Holy fuck. This is mind boggling. This board really is a microcosm of the larger society. Somehow a whole bunch of people have either failed to remember or never even recognized in the first place literally decades of marches, rallies, sit-ins, vigils, conferences and the like. And when frustration builds and it blows over into violence, you’re shocked and the impulse is to just crack down again.Holy fuck.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Where are you going?cincybearcat said:
And there you go.F Me In The Brain said:Glad it makes you guys laugh.
I hope nobody burns either of your homes down - stay safe.
I don't find humor in wishing a person's home is torched. Instead I wished the opposite for the both of you.
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