The Last “Dance” ESPN Documentary

Glorified KC

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Not one mention from Luc Longley during this whole thing.

Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.

Yeah he was conspicuously absent. Nothing Bulls-related from Harper either. Though his “fuck this bullshit” line about not getting to guard MJ on the Ehlo shot was gold. 

https://youtu.be/6FNQMYnD6PY

I wonder if a lot of these guys didn't want to talk about it?

Rodman was reluctant at first but then ended up sitting down for a few hours talking about it.

Jordan was the only person I noticed that had 2 different outfits on so most likely did 2 separate days of interviews.

I think this documentary was more about Michael Jordan than the 97-98 Bulls.

Glorified KC

Ho-Grant not too happy about what was said about him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29195428/horace-grant-says-michael-jordan-lied-last-dance-calls-snitch

No Coder

tempo_n_groove said:

Not one mention from Luc Longley during this whole thing.

Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.

The media in Australia has been trying to make a story out of this for a few weeks, trying to link his absence with arguments in lockers rooms etc,  but I really don't think there's much too it.
Luc is a pretty quiet and reclusive guy and whilst he does some media, he doesn't look for it regularly. He has a farm a few hours down south of Perth to be out of the way

There's a couple of really good podcasts with Luc - where he talks about everything, but he has no problem with Jordan and considers him a friend. Call him to ctach up very now and then too.

The Howie Games did one  - 
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4MqHZ5Bm1mSs83ALhWc6aT

And In All Airness has 2 - 

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3FTaXH7Ig8YJFOxi4cL5cv

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5JmGYRFM1HSYrlRC7DRQIB

I know watching Bill Wennington speak instead of Luc was really frustrating to me, but then Wennington was a Radio colour commentator for the Bulls after his career, so no doubt has relationships with all the right people.

Other than Luc's absence, I loved the whole series and will watch it again very soon.

Leathe?ma?

So do you really believe in all that pizza story? Five guys delivering one pizza.. 

tempo_n_groove

Leathe?ma? said:

So do you really believe in all that pizza story? Five guys delivering one pizza.. 

They investigated it and "the Manager went and delivered the pizza.  Nothing was done to the pizza.  There were only 2 guys that delivered it."

I still think Jordan was hungover, lol.

tempo_n_groove

cdthomas1981 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Not one mention from Luc Longley during this whole thing.

Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.

Yeah he was conspicuously absent. Nothing Bulls-related from Harper either. Though his “fuck this bullshit” line about not getting to guard MJ on the Ehlo shot was gold. 

https://youtu.be/6FNQMYnD6PY

I wonder if a lot of these guys didn't want to talk about it?

Rodman was reluctant at first but then ended up sitting down for a few hours talking about it.

Jordan was the only person I noticed that had 2 different outfits on so most likely did 2 separate days of interviews.

I think this documentary was more about Michael Jordan than the 97-98 Bulls.

Well, Jordan IS the Bulls but other players were deserving in it too.

I would have loved to hear more announcers account of this time period.  If only Craig Sager was still alive.

darwinstheory

This docu-series was phenomenal. I am ready for season 2....and I don't mean the Lakers stuff. It is astonishing to me how I was all in during that era. I still remember where I was during the reverse lay-up in the Finals against the Lakers. And in the post Jordan era, I mostly could not care less about the game.

I feel like Pippen came out of this looking very good. I've read he wasn't pleased with the way he was portrayed, and I just don't see it. Maybe the "migraine game" but I don't think he was knockng Scottie for it so much as he believed Scottie being out made the difference in the outcome and that is probably the loss that happens to sting the most for him over his career. 

I wonder how many more YouTube views and iTunes downloads Present Tense has recieved since Sunday night.

Glorified KC

One thing that gets me about the Jordan vs. LeBron debate is the fact that their games don't compare as well as Pippen and LeBron.  LeBron really is Scottie, but a more athletically gifted version of Scottie's introduction of the Point Forward to the NBA.  I think if Scottie played in today's more open style, as opposed to the physical, low-scoring mid-90's era that he may have put up numbers more similar to what LeBron has.  Maybe not as many points per game, but the rebounding, assists and his ability to defend any position on the floor would be so incredibly valuable.  Really, it was incredibly valuable in the 90's as he was essential to making the Bulls a championship contender.

tempo_n_groove

darwinstheory said:

This docu-series was phenomenal. I am ready for season 2....and I don't mean the Lakers stuff. It is astonishing to me how I was all in during that era. I still remember where I was during the reverse lay-up in the Finals against the Lakers. And in the post Jordan era, I mostly could not care less about the game.

I feel like Pippen came out of this looking very good. I've read he wasn't pleased with the way he was portrayed, and I just don't see it. Maybe the "migraine game" but I don't think he was knockng Scottie for it so much as he believed Scottie being out made the difference in the outcome and that is probably the loss that happens to sting the most for him over his career. 

I wonder how many more YouTube views and iTunes downloads Present Tense has recieved since Sunday night.

So I thought Pippen looked great in this too but the sports talking heads wanted to make it a story which was dumb.

He got knocked on his ass against the Pistons and got up and played.
Got knocked on his ass from Charles Smith, finished the dunk, and 1, got back up and played.
Had the back problem, came back out and played.

I wish they would have shown his defensive proess more.

Indifference71

darwinstheory said:

This docu-series was phenomenal. I am ready for season 2....and I don't mean the Lakers stuff. It is astonishing to me how I was all in during that era. I still remember where I was during the reverse lay-up in the Finals against the Lakers. And in the post Jordan era, I mostly could not care less about the game.

I feel like Pippen came out of this looking very good. I've read he wasn't pleased with the way he was portrayed, and I just don't see it. Maybe the "migraine game" but I don't think he was knockng Scottie for it so much as he believed Scottie being out made the difference in the outcome and that is probably the loss that happens to sting the most for him over his career. 

I wonder how many more YouTube views and iTunes downloads Present Tense has recieved since Sunday night.

Yep.  It was awesome.  And it made me realize even more how lucky I was to grow up a Bulls fan in Chicago in the 90s.  And it also made me realize how absolutely fucking insane it was for them to break up the franchise after winning 3 titles in a row and 6 in 8 years....the fact that the tubby egomaniac GM Krause announced prior to the season that Phil wouldn't be coming back is mind-boggling.  All because he couldn't handle how much praise MJ, Phil and everyone else but him got.  But as usual with Reinsdorf, it came down to money.  The fact that he owns 2 of my favorite teams in the Bulls and White Sox is so sad.  

darwinstheory

Indifference71 said:

darwinstheory said:

This docu-series was phenomenal. I am ready for season 2....and I don't mean the Lakers stuff. It is astonishing to me how I was all in during that era. I still remember where I was during the reverse lay-up in the Finals against the Lakers. And in the post Jordan era, I mostly could not care less about the game.

I feel like Pippen came out of this looking very good. I've read he wasn't pleased with the way he was portrayed, and I just don't see it. Maybe the "migraine game" but I don't think he was knockng Scottie for it so much as he believed Scottie being out made the difference in the outcome and that is probably the loss that happens to sting the most for him over his career. 

I wonder how many more YouTube views and iTunes downloads Present Tense has recieved since Sunday night.

Yep.  It was awesome.  And it made me realize even more how lucky I was to grow up a Bulls fan in Chicago in the 90s.  And it also made me realize how absolutely fucking insane it was for them to break up the franchise after winning 3 titles in a row and 6 in 8 years....the fact that the tubby egomaniac GM Krause announced prior to the season that Phil wouldn't be coming back is mind-boggling.  All because he couldn't handle how much praise MJ, Phil and everyone else but him got.  But as usual with Reinsdorf, it came down to money.  The fact that he owns 2 of my favorite teams in the Bulls and White Sox is so sad.  

The bitter Chicago rivalry aside, just hearing him talk about breaking up the Bulls reminded me how glad I am not to be a Sox fan. 

Jason P

I remember being a teenager sneaking into courtside seats at halftime of a Pacers / Knicks game at Market Square Arena and running smack into the entire Knicks team as they were coming out of the tunnel at halftime ... they looked 10x bigger in real life.  Charles Oakley is truly an intimidating person.

(pacers won!)

Jason P

I don't think I've thought about Horace Grant once in the last decade.  I'm quite sure of it.  But now that he is kinda back in the spotlight, that dude was good.  And he was really good for two teams.  

Glorified KC

Jason P said:

I don't think I've thought about Horace Grant once in the last decade.  I'm quite sure of it.  But now that he is kinda back in the spotlight, that dude was good.  And he was really good for two teams.  

No doubt.  During the 94-95 season, I kept thinking how badly they needed him or someone who could at least be more stout at the 4.  They had that in Rodman, however Grant was a better offensive player and an above average rebounder.  The offense was very fluid when he was there.

tempo_n_groove

cdthomas1981 said:

Jason P said:

I don't think I've thought about Horace Grant once in the last decade.  I'm quite sure of it.  But now that he is kinda back in the spotlight, that dude was good.  And he was really good for two teams.  

No doubt.  During the 94-95 season, I kept thinking how badly they needed him or someone who could at least be more stout at the 4.  They had that in Rodman, however Grant was a better offensive player and an above average rebounder.  The offense was very fluid when he was there.

Offense was never their problem.  They needed toughness in the paint and a lock down defender.  Scottie and Jordan were head and shoulders above anyone else in the league, add that third person, be it Grant  or Rodman and that was their last ingredient needed.

tempo_n_groove

Did anyone catch the Stephen A special on Monday?  I've been wanting to watch that.

Smellyman

tempo_n_groove said:

Did anyone catch the Stephen A special on Monday?  I've been wanting to watch that.

Nothing by Stephen A is worth a watch.

imo

tempo_n_groove

Smellyman said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Did anyone catch the Stephen A special on Monday?  I've been wanting to watch that.

Nothing by Stephen A is worth a watch.

imo

Stepen A the mouthpiece is very different than Stephen A the fan.

I enjoy him regardless.  It's people like Pablo and Kinas I can't stand.  Skip Bayless is an idiot too.

cp3iverson

Stephen A knows which platforms need which Stephan A.  Lol.  

Used to see him at Philly games in the 90s when he was “just” a writer.  He’s done well for himself. 

Glorified KC

tempo_n_groove said:

Smellyman said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Did anyone catch the Stephen A special on Monday?  I've been wanting to watch that.

Nothing by Stephen A is worth a watch.

imo

Stepen A the mouthpiece is very different than Stephen A the fan.

I enjoy him regardless.  It's people like Pablo and Kinas I can't stand.  Skip Bayless is an idiot too.

Skip Bayless does nothing but get off on disagreeing with every opinion/fact out there.  Skip would debate whether the sky was blue or not, depending on what color you believe it is.