The Last “Dance” ESPN Documentary

Glorified KC

markymark550 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

markymark550 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

eeriepadave said:

I wonder if MJ didn’t retire for those two years would the bulls have won eight in a row?

I don’t think so but I guess it depends on Phil Jackson 

I don't think so either. 3-peats are difficult enough. I just don't see 8 in a row because they would stumble somewhere. I think that 94 Rockets team might have won even if they played Jordan and the Bulls.

The only reason the Rockets won is because Jordan wasn't around.

The Knicks had that series but messed up.

Not really. The Rockets were a bad match up for those Bulls teams. Jordan himself had doubts about Chicago's ability to beat the Rockets. In the first 3-peat, the Rockets went 5-1 against the Bulls. Nobody on the Rockets could stop Jordan, but Vernon Maxwell was a good enough defender to be a pain in his ass. The Bulls had nobody that would have been able to stop Olajuwon one on one. Jackson didn't like double teaming, so Olajuwon would have had a field day against them. Even if they did double team Olajuwon, Houston was one of the best 3-point shooting teams that year, so he would be able to kick it back out to a good shooter. It might have been a 7 game series, but I still think Houston would have won in 94.

That would have been an incredible series to watch.  Hakeem is my favorite big man who ever played.  Dude doesn't get enough recognition in my opinion.  He retired as the career leader in blocks, if I'm not mistaken, and his skill set in the post is the best I've ever seen.  Just ask the admiral...

tempo_n_groove

cdthomas1981 said:

The mid-90's Magic teams too.  The Hawks with Nique in his prime.  The Warriors had Run TMC (Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin), honestly any team coached by Don Nelson was fun to watch.  I was just looking up some stats on the 97-98 season and somehow ended up on the Phoenix Suns that year.  They won 56 games and had both Jason Kidd and Steve Nash on that club. 

Latrell Sprewell and Donyell Marshall later too.

tempo_n_groove

cdthomas1981 said:

markymark550 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

markymark550 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

eeriepadave said:

I wonder if MJ didn’t retire for those two years would the bulls have won eight in a row?

I don’t think so but I guess it depends on Phil Jackson 

I don't think so either. 3-peats are difficult enough. I just don't see 8 in a row because they would stumble somewhere. I think that 94 Rockets team might have won even if they played Jordan and the Bulls.

The only reason the Rockets won is because Jordan wasn't around.

The Knicks had that series but messed up.

Not really. The Rockets were a bad match up for those Bulls teams. Jordan himself had doubts about Chicago's ability to beat the Rockets. In the first 3-peat, the Rockets went 5-1 against the Bulls. Nobody on the Rockets could stop Jordan, but Vernon Maxwell was a good enough defender to be a pain in his ass. The Bulls had nobody that would have been able to stop Olajuwon one on one. Jackson didn't like double teaming, so Olajuwon would have had a field day against them. Even if they did double team Olajuwon, Houston was one of the best 3-point shooting teams that year, so he would be able to kick it back out to a good shooter. It might have been a 7 game series, but I still think Houston would have won in 94.

That would have been an incredible series to watch.  Hakeem is my favorite big man who ever played.  Dude doesn't get enough recognition in my opinion.  He retired as the career leader in blocks, if I'm not mistaken, and his skill set in the post is the best I've ever seen.  Just ask the admiral...

Olajawon had the best feet of any big man ever.  Other centers would seek him out and practice with him.

PJ_Soul

Now that the whole series is available I'm ready to binge.... Excellent doc... less than halfway through, but can already say I think Phil Jackson was the coolest person in the NBA.

Ledbetterman10

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Somehow this play didn't make into the documentary at any point. One of my Pippen nit-picks from this otherwise perfect documentary. It's from Michael's "double-nickel" game. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgiZmKxAmFs

Hubie Brown with the spot on analysis. Young buck back then. He was probably in his late 70's at the time. 

Always liked Hubie. Can’t believe he’s still around. He provided some great analysis of Pippen’s famous dunk on Ewing. 

“See now when Pippen goes up, this was an elevation elevation!” 

No, my phone’s auto correct, that wasn’t a mistake typing the same word twice. I’m quoting Hubie. 

cp3iverson

cdthomas1981 said:

bootlegger10 said:

They should have showed Kukoc’s third quarter in game 7 against the Pacers.  I re-watched that game last week and he kept them in the game and allowed MJ to rest.  B.S. that wasn’t included.  Would have taken only a minute.

I was thinking the same thing.  They don't win that game without Kukoc's effort.

Yeah i was very surprised they didnt mention Kukoc. He won that game.  

cp3iverson

PJ_Soul said:

Now that the whole series is available I'm ready to binge.... Excellent doc... less than halfway through, but can already say I think Phil Jackson was the coolest person in the NBA.

Seems like he really understood that you can’t manage everyone the same. More coaches should be like that.  No way Rodman gets away with some of the stuff he pulled with any other coach, but there’s also no way any other coach gets that kind of production out of him from 96-98. 

Leathe?ma?

That was a great ending, love that song so much.. 

Smellyman

Great ending.

Documentary was about 9 episodes too long

bootlegger10

Smellyman said:

Great ending.

Documentary was about 9 episodes too long

Not a bulls fan?

Smellyman

bootlegger10 said:

Smellyman said:

Great ending.

Documentary was about 9 episodes too long

Not a bulls fan?

meh, I was a kid that really liked Jordan.

But it was just way too long with the same things over and over and over.

My friend wanted to watch it so I downloaded it for him and watched it together.

There was nothing overly special about it to me.

Gern Blansten

I'm a bit behind on the series....I just watched episodes 7-8 last night.

I had kind of forgotten the story behind MJ leaving the Bulls and playing baseball and then returning.  I was at Market Square Arena when MJ played his first game back.  That place was insane.  I also completely forgot that he was wearing #45 that night.  I can't believe that was 25 years ago.  It was a great victory for the Pacers though....that game at least.

I do remember thinking at the time that I was watching a piece of history.  

cp3iverson

My favorite time seeing Jordan was during the 72-10 year.  That team was so in sync that night it was almost mindless.  Jordan had 48.  Didnt even bother checking into the game after the 3rd quarter. 

RK50065

"Game 6: The Movie” Wed night on ESPN. It will use archived material from the NBA, featuring exclusive, never-before-seen game footage by five different cameras, per ESPN. It will use the original commentary over “new and innovative views of the historic game.”

cp3iverson

RK50065 said:

"Game 6: The Movie” Wed night on ESPN. It will use archived material from the NBA, featuring exclusive, never-before-seen game footage by five different cameras, per ESPN. It will use the original commentary over “new and innovative views of the historic game.”

Wow.  Looking forward to that. 

The commentary was just okay.  My issue with Bob Costas is that he’s a radio play by play guy calling a TV game. “Jordan....dribbles four times to his left....”.  

RiotZact

I saw Jordan play for the Wizards when I was 9 years old in 2002. I was a huge Iverson fan at the time and the game was in DC so all I cared about was Iverson outplaying Jordan so I could strut my Iverson jersey in front of all the Wizards fans on the way out. Iverson had more points and the Sixers won so I was satisfied. Looking back though, it had to be one of Jordan’s better games as a Wizard. He had 30 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and a block. Meanwhile Iverson had 34 points and not much else, so Jordan probably played the better game overall. Looking back I wish I was a little more appreciative that I was watching the greatest player to ever live, but it’s still cool knowing that I got to watch him in-person and even on a night where he was able to manage a Bulls-era level performance.

Another fun fact about that game: Eric Snow had 19 points, 8 rebounds, and 9 assists, which I can only assume is the closest he’s ever come to a triple double. 

Glorified KC

I watched the Flu Game on YouTube for the first time since I saw it live, when I was 15.  I still felt myself tense up watching that game.

tempo_n_groove

Not one mention from Luc Longley during this whole thing.

Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.

Ledbetterman10

tempo_n_groove said:

Not one mention from Luc Longley during this whole thing.

Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.

Yeah he was conspicuously absent. Nothing Bulls-related from Harper either. Though his “fuck this bullshit” line about not getting to guard MJ on the Ehlo shot was gold. 

https://youtu.be/6FNQMYnD6PY

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Not one mention from Luc Longley during this whole thing.

Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.

Yeah he was conspicuously absent. Nothing Bulls-related from Harper either. Though his “fuck this bullshit” line about not getting to guard MJ on the Ehlo shot was gold. 

https://youtu.be/6FNQMYnD6PY

I wonder if a lot of these guys didn't want to talk about it?

Rodman was reluctant at first but then ended up sitting down for a few hours talking about it.

Jordan was the only person I noticed that had 2 different outfits on so most likely did 2 separate days of interviews.