The Joe Rogan Thread

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    This dude been on Canadian tv lecturing us about health. He could use a sit down with mr. Rogan and learn a little about excercise, vitamins, eating healthy, losing weight…
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    As alluded to, one does not have to view Rogan as a “messiah” or anything of that nature simply because they dig something about him or his podcast. 

    I like the guy, I like his show and I like his guests or find them interesting. Not all, of course, and I do shake my head when warranted. I’m not calling for the guy’s head on a stick but I get the sense that some here would love to be part of that lovely process. 
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
     I suggest you revisit the constitution and Neil’s open letter. He puts it upon a private business to apply some standard of truth in the content they supply.
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
     I suggest you revisit the constitution and Neil’s open letter. He puts it upon a private business to apply some standard of truth in the content they supply.
    Standard via censorship. 
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    edited January 2022
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
     I suggest you revisit the constitution and Neil’s open letter. He puts it upon a private business to apply some standard of truth in the content they supply.
    Standard via censorship. 
    Again, revisit the constitution. 

    Seems like you’d be fine being lied to all day every day under the guise of free speech?
    Post edited by DewieCox on
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    This thread is the very center of another Woke Mob.
    How so?
    Same five or six forum users attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights. Textbook mob. Happens in every thread here. Very entertaining, though.
    “Attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights?” Are you serious? If so, wow.
    Why "wow?" You're deplatforming and censoring some comedian and his interesting guests. 
    You’re arguing that it is a basic human and constitutional right to have a podcast on Spotify? 

    You should rethink this. 
    You should rethink freedom of choice/speech. 
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Fitting thread for that.
    Excuse me, do you know where can I find the Woke Mob Guru?
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
     I suggest you revisit the constitution and Neil’s open letter. He puts it upon a private business to apply some standard of truth in the content they supply.
    Standard via censorship. 
    Again, revisit the constitution.
    His guests are doctors with different/2nd opinions. Joe's right to ask them some interesting questions. Constitution enabled him.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,564
    edited January 2022
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    This thread is the very center of another Woke Mob.
    How so?
    Same five or six forum users attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights. Textbook mob. Happens in every thread here. Very entertaining, though.
    “Attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights?” Are you serious? If so, wow.
    Why "wow?" You're deplatforming and censoring some comedian and his interesting guests. 
    You’re arguing that it is a basic human and constitutional right to have a podcast on Spotify? 

    You should rethink this. 
    You should rethink freedom of choice/speech. 
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Fitting thread for that.
    Excuse me, do you know where can I find the Woke Mob Guru?
    Ask a fellow Joe Rogan fan?




    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    edited January 2022
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
     I suggest you revisit the constitution and Neil’s open letter. He puts it upon a private business to apply some standard of truth in the content they supply.
    Standard via censorship. 
    Again, revisit the constitution.
    His guests are doctors with different/2nd opinions. Joe's right to ask them some interesting questions. Constitution enabled him.
    I wish he did that. He mostly give these guys the green light as long as they’re  saying what he wants to hear/broadcast. See the clip where he argued with the doc about myocarditis, got proven wrong, questioned the source, then just kinda moved along without addressing the actual truth?
    Post edited by DewieCox on
  • AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
    Neil is exercising his freedom of speech by removing HIS music from a platform he no longer supports because of the content of Joe Rogen’s free speech. Are you a free market capitalist that believes in allowing the market to decide or an alarmist who believes in “cancel culture “ but only a one sided one?

    wish everyone here was as worked up about the cancellation of a woman’s right to choose or the books being banned in public schools and libraries and teaching awareness of our nation’s ugly history. If every other artist and pod cast decides to leave Spotify, would Joe Rogan still have a platform? Or would all of those other artists and podcasters have effectively exercised their freedom of speech and choice of association?
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  • AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    This thread is the very center of another Woke Mob.
    How so?
    Same five or six forum users attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights. Textbook mob. Happens in every thread here. Very entertaining, though.
    “Attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights?” Are you serious? If so, wow.
    Why "wow?" You're deplatforming and censoring some comedian and his interesting guests. 
    You’re arguing that it is a basic human and constitutional right to have a podcast on Spotify? 

    You should rethink this. 
    You should rethink freedom of choice/speech. 
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Fitting thread for that.
    Excuse me, do you know where can I find the Woke Mob Guru?
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  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    This thread is the very center of another Woke Mob.
    How so?
    Same five or six forum users attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights. Textbook mob. Happens in every thread here. Very entertaining, though.
    “Attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights?” Are you serious? If so, wow.
    Why "wow?" You're deplatforming and censoring some comedian and his interesting guests. 
    You’re arguing that it is a basic human and constitutional right to have a podcast on Spotify? 

    You should rethink this. 
    You should rethink freedom of choice/speech. 
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Fitting thread for that.
    Excuse me, do you know where can I find the Woke Mob Guru?
    Ask one of your friends?




     Well, they said it was you all along. Thanks, anyway.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,564
    edited January 2022
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    This thread is the very center of another Woke Mob.
    How so?
    Same five or six forum users attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights. Textbook mob. Happens in every thread here. Very entertaining, though.
    “Attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights?” Are you serious? If so, wow.
    Why "wow?" You're deplatforming and censoring some comedian and his interesting guests. 
    You’re arguing that it is a basic human and constitutional right to have a podcast on Spotify? 

    You should rethink this. 
    You should rethink freedom of choice/speech. 
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Fitting thread for that.
    Excuse me, do you know where can I find the Woke Mob Guru?
    Ask one of your friends?




     Well, they said it was you all along. Thanks, anyway.
    That's cool.

    Just don't listen to them about injecting bleach.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    so many people have no idea what free speech rights and censorship really mean. 
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    “There’s no such thing as climate”
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,285
    so many people have no idea what free speech rights and censorship really mean. 

    Exactly, and very obvious on these forums.  And sad that some people don't care enough to understand the matter by doing a little self-educating to get a better understand of what those things mean. 
    Oh well, this thread is on spin cycle at this point.
    Speaking of spin... time to spin a little Neil and Crazy Horse!
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Joe Rogan is also an avid hunter…I guess he’s quite good at it…

    just wanted give people another reason to hate…lol
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux said:
    so many people have no idea what free speech rights and censorship really mean. 

    Exactly, and very obvious on these forums.  And sad that some people don't care enough to understand the matter by doing a little self-educating to get a better understand of what those things mean. 
    Oh well, this thread is on spin cycle at this point.
    Speaking of spin... time to spin a little Neil and Crazy Horse!
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
    Neil is exercising his freedom of speech by removing HIS music from a platform he no longer supports because of the content of Joe Rogen’s free speech. Are you a free market capitalist that believes in allowing the market to decide or an alarmist who believes in “cancel culture “ but only a one sided one?

    wish everyone here was as worked up about the cancellation of a woman’s right to choose or the books being banned in public schools and libraries and teaching awareness of our nation’s ugly history. If every other artist and pod cast decides to leave Spotify, would Joe Rogan still have a platform? Or would all of those other artists and podcasters have effectively exercised their freedom of speech and choice of association?
    Amen, but unfortunately I just don’t think we will ever get to that point…not here and not in our country but thanks for always reminding us of what’s really important. 
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    hedonist said:
    As alluded to, one does not have to view Rogan as a “messiah” or anything of that nature simply because they dig something about him or his podcast. 

    I like the guy, I like his show and I like his guests or find them interesting. Not all, of course, and I do shake my head when warranted. I’m not calling for the guy’s head on a stick but I get the sense that some here would love to be part of that lovely process. 
    I don’t get that impression from anyone in here. 
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
     I suggest you revisit the constitution and Neil’s open letter. He puts it upon a private business to apply some standard of truth in the content they supply.
    Standard via censorship. 
    Again, revisit the constitution.
    His guests are doctors with different/2nd opinions. Joe's right to ask them some interesting questions. Constitution enabled him.
    And when they present false information people are free to respond. Unfortunately there’s a lot of hyperbole in the response to the response. 
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
     I suggest you revisit the constitution and Neil’s open letter. He puts it upon a private business to apply some standard of truth in the content they supply.
    Standard via censorship. 
    Again, revisit the constitution. 

    Seems like you’d be fine being lied to all day every day under the guise of free speech?
    Sorry, I just noticed the edit. People have a right to seek second opinion from another doctor. Sometimes that second opinion doesn't fit mob's narrative. Plenty of evidence that the mainstream was wrong in many aspects in the past 2 years, therefore, let the people filter it out. They're more than capable. And Neil is 100% right to leave Spotify if it's against his beliefs. I just really wish he wouldn't try to cancel Rogan. 
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    Joe Rogan is also an avid hunter…I guess he’s quite good at it…

    just wanted give people another reason to hate…lol
    I’m not in here as much as I used to be, but was the trolling always this bad? 
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    This thread is the very center of another Woke Mob.
    How so?
    Same five or six forum users attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights. Textbook mob. Happens in every thread here. Very entertaining, though.
    “Attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights?” Are you serious? If so, wow.
    Why "wow?" You're deplatforming and censoring some comedian and his interesting guests. 
    You’re arguing that it is a basic human and constitutional right to have a podcast on Spotify? 

    You should rethink this. 
    You should rethink freedom of choice/speech. 
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Fitting thread for that.
    Excuse me, do you know where can I find the Woke Mob Guru?
    Ask a fellow Joe Rogan fan?




    Not fair to edit after 7 minutes. You said they were my friends.
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 674
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    This thread is the very center of another Woke Mob.
    How so?
    Same five or six forum users attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights. Textbook mob. Happens in every thread here. Very entertaining, though.
    “Attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights?” Are you serious? If so, wow.
    Why "wow?" You're deplatforming and censoring some comedian and his interesting guests. 
    You’re arguing that it is a basic human and constitutional right to have a podcast on Spotify? 

    You should rethink this. 
    You should rethink freedom of choice/speech. 
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Fitting thread for that.
    Excuse me, do you know where can I find the Woke Mob Guru?
    Ask one of your friends?




     Well, they said it was you all along. Thanks, anyway.
    That's cool.

    Just don't listen to them about injecting bleach.
    Good point. Thanks again!
  • AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    This thread is the very center of another Woke Mob.
    How so?
    Same five or six forum users attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights. Textbook mob. Happens in every thread here. Very entertaining, though.
    “Attacking anybody for questioning basic human or constitutional rights?” Are you serious? If so, wow.
    Why "wow?" You're deplatforming and censoring some comedian and his interesting guests. 
    You’re arguing that it is a basic human and constitutional right to have a podcast on Spotify? 

    You should rethink this. 
    You should rethink freedom of choice/speech. 
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Fitting thread for that.
    Excuse me, do you know where can I find the Woke Mob Guru?
    Ask a fellow Joe Rogan fan?




    Not fair to edit after 7 minutes. You said they were my friends.
    Sorry, I hope I didn't hurt your feelings if they truly are.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    edited January 2022
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    AW124797 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Neil Is exercising his free speech and expression, not speaking against it. 

    Nowhere in the open letter did he speak against JoRo having or expressing his own opinions, only giving a platform to willful dissemination of misinformation. 
    Neil's speaking against free speech and expression by trying to remove Rogan off Spotify. Intentions are clear.
     I suggest you revisit the constitution and Neil’s open letter. He puts it upon a private business to apply some standard of truth in the content they supply.
    Standard via censorship. 
    Again, revisit the constitution. 

    Seems like you’d be fine being lied to all day every day under the guise of free speech?
    Sorry, I just noticed the edit. People have a right to seek second opinion from another doctor. Sometimes that second opinion doesn't fit mob's narrative. Plenty of evidence that the mainstream was wrong in many aspects in the past 2 years, therefore, let the people filter it out. They're more than capable. And Neil is 100% right to leave Spotify if it's against his beliefs. I just really wish he wouldn't try to cancel Rogan. 
    What’s the mainstream and what did they get wrong? 
    Post edited by Go Beavers on
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,237
    speech, 'free' or not, comes with responsibility  and accountability.

    say what you wish, but do be preparrd to stand by that when consequences  follow.
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