Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mrussel1

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

benjs said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

again. this was compiled before the state of the union address and the biden momentum from that. believe it if you want to, but it ain't the truth.

Truth has nothing to do with what compels these people to share this content.

kind of like how they continue to conflate crowd size with voter turnout. they are not the same thing.

It's boat parades and enthusiasm at the Villages that is most predictive. 

benjs

gimmesometruth27 said:

benjs said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

again. this was compiled before the state of the union address and the biden momentum from that. believe it if you want to, but it ain't the truth.

Truth has nothing to do with what compels these people to share this content.

kind of like how they continue to conflate crowd size with voter turnout. they are not the same thing.

I mean, you could argue that crowd sizes and voter turnouts are based on empirical facts, that Republicans focus on the most convenient of them and ignore the most inconvenient facts.

On the content trolls share, they're typically not based on facts at all - they're either fabricated, or opinions from people on their side or not respected from the other side, shared as though it's common sentiment.

I suspect it comes from a pathetic, lonely life lived with no loved ones or successes to speak of, who know they will one day die alone and in the meantime, need to get their thrills before the universe forgets they once existed.

Edit: for the record, I'm of course speaking about trolls at large who engage in that behaviour. The folks on here have said they're not trolls, so this doesn't pertain to them.

mickeyrat

Biden

finally happening. 3 yrs plus later.....

THE EVIDENCE. EXPLOSIVE. CONCLUSIVE.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1766834130422030825?s=19

gimmesometruth27

Biden

mickeyrat said:

finally happening. 3 yrs plus later.....

THE EVIDENCE. EXPLOSIVE. CONCLUSIVE.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1766834130422030825?s=19

yeah. the 800th time is the charm.

can't wait until friday when this ultimately and spectacularly blows up in his face again.

he is the wile e coyote of american politics.

Merkin Baller

Agonizing About Biden’s Age Is Worse Than Irrelevant

The big issue in this election isn’t oldness and it isn’t character.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/agonizing-about-biden-age-worse-than-irrelevant?utm_campaign=post

Merkin Baller

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Halifax2TheMax

Your next POTUS. And yes, it’s a cult.

The Washington Post Fact Checker found that in the four years of his presidency, Trump offered a total of 30,573 untruths — an average of roughly 21 erroneous claims a day.

Themes of retribution and vengeance are also central, hovering like an ominous storm cloud. In a closing riff that has become a staple of every rally, Trump promises to “demolish the deep state,” to “cast out the communists, Marxists and fascists” and to “throw off the sick political class that hates our country.”

“We will rout the fake news media, we will drain the swamp and we will liberate our country from these tyrants and villains once and for all,” he declares.

Steven Cheung, campaign spokesman, said in an email statement to The Post: “President Trump is the only one speaking the truth and he’s going to continue shoving it down the media’s throat every single day, and there is nothing they can do about it.”

The Juggler

Biden

Maga projects weakness both at home with their open borders position and abroad with their deference to our adversaries. 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/politics/trump-despots-advisers-sound-alarm/index.html

Former advisers sound the alarm that Trump praises despots in private and on the campaign trail

By Jim Sciutto, CNN

 6 minute read 

Published 4:00 AM EDT, Mon March 11, 2024

Former President Donald Trump gestures at a campaign rally in Rome, Georgia, on Saturday, March 9,. 

Mike Stewart/AP

CNN — 

To Donald Trump, Hungarian strongman Viktor Orbán is “fantastic,” Chinese leader Xi Jinping is “brilliant,” North Korea’s Kim Jong Un is “an OK guy,” and, most alarmingly, he allegedly said Adolf Hitler “did some good things,” a worldview that would reverse decades-old US foreign policy in a second term should he win November’s presidential election, multiple former senior advisers told CNN.

“He thought Putin was an OK guy and Kim was an OK guy — that we had pushed North Korea into a corner,” retired Gen. John Kelly, who served as Trump’s chief of staff, told me. “To him, it was like we were goading these guys. ‘If we didn’t have NATO, then Putin wouldn’t be doing these things.’”

Trump’s lavish praise for Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán while hosting him at Mar-a-Lago on Friday, just days after all but sealing the Republican nomination on Super Tuesday, shows it’s a worldview he’s doubling down on.

"The Return of Great Powers" by CNN's Jim Sciutto. 

From Penguin Random House

“There’s nobody that’s better, smarter or a better leader than Viktor Orbán,” Trump said, adding, “He’s the boss and he’s a great leader, fantastic leader. In Europe and around the world, they respect him.”

The former president’s admiration for autocrats has been reported on before, but in comments by Trump recounted to me for my new book, “The Return of Great Powers,” out Tuesday, Kelly and others who served under Trump give new insight into why they warn that a man who consistently praises autocratic leaders opposed to US interests is ill-suited to lead the country in the Great Power clashes that could be coming, telling me they believe that the root of his admiration for these figures is that he envies their power.

“He views himself as a big guy,” John Bolton, who served as national security adviser under Trump, told me. “He likes dealing with other big guys, and big guys like Erdogan in Turkey get to put people in jail and you don’t have to ask anybody’s permission. He kind of likes that.”

“He’s not a tough guy by any means, but in fact quite the opposite,” Kelly said. “But that’s how he envisions himself.”

Alleged praise for Hitler

Trump allegedly reserved some of his most unnerving praise for Hitler, who led Nazi Germany during World War II.

“He said, ‘Well, but Hitler did some good things.’ I said, ‘Well, what?’ And he said, ‘Well, [Hitler] rebuilt the economy.’ But what did he do with that rebuilt economy? He turned it against his own people and against the world. And I said, ‘Sir, you can never say anything good about the guy. Nothing,’” Kelly recounted. “I mean, Mussolini was a great guy in comparison.”

“It’s pretty hard to believe he missed the Holocaust, though, and pretty hard to understand how he missed the 400,000 American GIs that were killed in the European theater,” Kelly told me. “But I think it’s more, again, the tough guy thing.”

Trump’s admiration for Hitler went further than the German leader’s economic policies, according to Kelly. Trump also expressed admiration for Hitler’s hold on senior Nazi officers. Trump lamented that Hitler, as Kelly recounted, maintained his senior staff’s “loyalty,” while Trump himself often did not.

“He would ask about the loyalty issues and about how, when I pointed out to him the German generals as a group were not loyal to him, and in fact tried to assassinate him a few times, and he didn’t know that,” Kelly recalled. “He truly believed, when he brought us generals in, that we would be loyal — that we would do anything he wanted us to do,” Kelly told me.

When asked to respond to the allegations from the former Trump administration officials, Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung did not comment on the substance of what they told me but stated, “John Kelly and John Bolton have completely beclowned themselves and are suffering from a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. They need to seek professional help because their hatred is consuming their empty lives.”

In 2021, a spokeswoman for Trump denied allegations that the former president had praised Hitler.

‘Shocked that he didn’t have dictatorial-type powers’

Trump’s former advisers say he most consistently lavished praise on Russian President Vladimir Putin. Bolton recalled a comment from Trump during the 2018 NATO summit. Following sometimes tense encounters with NATO leaders, Trump said his meeting with Putin, the leader of America’s great power adversary, “may be the easiest of them all. Who would think?”

“He says to the press as he goes out to the helicopter, ‘I think the easiest meeting might be with Vladimir Putin. Who would ever think that?’” recalled Bolton. “There’s an answer to that question. Only one person. You. You are the only person who would think that. The shrinks can make of that what they will, but I think it was ‘I’m a big guy. They’re big guys. I wish I could act like they do.’”

“My theory on why he likes the dictators so much is that’s who he is,” Kelly said. “Every incoming president is shocked that they actually have so little power without going to the Congress, which is a good thing. It’s Civics 101, separation of powers, three equal branches of government. But in his case, he was shocked that he didn’t have dictatorial-type powers to send US forces places or to move money around within the budget. And he looked at Putin and Xi and that nutcase in North Korea as people who were like him in terms of being a tough guy.”

Then-President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un pose at a military demarcation line separating the two Koreas in Panmunjom, South Korea, on June 30, 2019. 

KCNA/Reuters

“Trump believed in the power of his personal charisma and diplomacy,” recalled Matthew Pottinger, his deputy national security adviser, who was deeply involved in Trump’s meetings with North Korean leader Kim and Chinese President Xi. “He had almost unlimited faith in it. That was as true with Kim as it was with Xi — but also with allies too.”

Trump has continued to praise authoritarians in his 2024 presidential campaign.

At a town hall organized by Fox News in July 2023, Trump said, “Think of President Xi: central casting, brilliant guy. When I say he’s brilliant, everyone says, ‘Oh, that’s terrible.’ He runs 1.4 billion people with an iron fist: smart, brilliant, everything perfect. There is nobody in Hollywood like this guy.”

In an interview with Fox that same month, Trump lavished praise on Putin as well, describing him as smarter than President Joe Biden. “These are smart people, including Macron of France. I could go through the whole list of people, including Putin .… These people are sharp, tough, and generally vicious,” Trump said. “They’re vicious, and they’re at the top of their game. We have a man that has no clue what’s happening. It’s the most dangerous time in the history of our country.”

Then-President Trump meets Russian President Vladimir Putin at the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan, on June 28, 2019. 

Anadolu/Anadolu/Getty Images

Trump’s affinity for authoritarians represents a defining issue for the US as the 2024 election approaches. Several of his own former advisers believe, in a second term, he would bring a fundamental shift in the US’ vision of itself and its role in the world, including potentially pulling the US out of NATO and reducing the US’ commitment to other defense alliances.

“NATO would be in real jeopardy,” Bolton told me. “I think he would try to get out.”

Many veterans of the Trump administration have a similar warning for Ukraine as it battles Russia’s invasion. “US support for Ukraine would end,” said a senior US official who served under Trump and Biden.

“The point is, he saw absolutely no point in NATO,” Kelly said. “He was just dead set against having troops in South Korea, again, a deterrent force, or having troops in Japan, a deterrent force.”

Vitalogensia

Biden

But Trump is a tough guy.  I saw him say "you're fired" on the TV once. 

brianlux

Biden

Merkin Baller said:

Agonizing About Biden’s Age Is Worse Than Irrelevant

The big issue in this election isn’t oldness and it isn’t character.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/agonizing-about-biden-age-worse-than-irrelevant?utm_campaign=post

I love this:
"In a perverse bit of reverse-reverse psychology, Biden’s political opponents spent so many months building up his diminished capacity that anything but a desiccated corpse would have appeared vigorous compared to the low expectations they established. And he certainly seemed much more on the ball than Katie Britt in her weird histrionic Republican response."

Of course, the author is right- MAGA's simply won't let it go.  They hang their arguments on thin threads.

Merkin Baller

brianlux said:

Merkin Baller said:

Agonizing About Biden’s Age Is Worse Than Irrelevant

The big issue in this election isn’t oldness and it isn’t character.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/agonizing-about-biden-age-worse-than-irrelevant?utm_campaign=post

I love this:
"In a perverse bit of reverse-reverse psychology, Biden’s political opponents spent so many months building up his diminished capacity that anything but a desiccated corpse would have appeared vigorous compared to the low expectations they established. And he certainly seemed much more on the ball than Katie Britt in her weird histrionic Republican response."

Of course, the author is right- MAGA's simply won't let it go.  They hang their arguments on thin threads.

Their arguments are so weak they're literally blaming Biden for things that happened in Mexico 20 years ago. 

You can't make this stuff up. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

Merkin Baller said:

brianlux said:

Merkin Baller said:

Agonizing About Biden’s Age Is Worse Than Irrelevant

The big issue in this election isn’t oldness and it isn’t character.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/agonizing-about-biden-age-worse-than-irrelevant?utm_campaign=post

I love this:
"In a perverse bit of reverse-reverse psychology, Biden’s political opponents spent so many months building up his diminished capacity that anything but a desiccated corpse would have appeared vigorous compared to the low expectations they established. And he certainly seemed much more on the ball than Katie Britt in her weird histrionic Republican response."

Of course, the author is right- MAGA's simply won't let it go.  They hang their arguments on thin threads.

Their arguments are so weak they're literally blaming Biden for things that happened in Mexico 20 years ago. 

You can't make this stuff up. 

surprised they aren't still blaming obama for stuff that happened in the 80s

shecky

FBI Director Wray warns of southern border smuggling network with ‘ISIS ties’

"From an FBI perspective, we are seeing a wide array of very dangerous threats that emanate from the border," FBI Director Christopher Wray said.

By Natalia Mittelstadt

Published: March 11, 2024 7:22pm

FBI Director Christopher Wray told senators on Monday that there are “very dangerous threats” coming from the U.S.-Mexico border, including a smuggling network with "ISIS ties." 

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., asked Wray during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing Monday regarding threats at the southern border, Fox News reported. 

Wray responded, saying, "From an FBI perspective, we are seeing a wide array of very dangerous threats that emanate from the border. And that includes everything from drug trafficking — the FBI alone seized enough fentanyl in the last two years to kill 270 million people — that's just on the fentanyl side." 

"An awful lot of the violent crime in the United States is at the hands of gangs who are themselves involved in the distribution of that fentanyl," he added. 

Rubio asked about smuggling networks moving people around the world and whether they could have ties to ISIS or other terrorist organizations. 

"So, I want to be a little bit careful how far I can go in open session, but there is a particular network that, where some of the overseas facilitators of the smuggling network have ISIS ties that we're very concerned about and that we've been spending enormous amount of effort with our partners investigating. Exactly what that network is up to is something that's, again, the subject of our current investigation," Wray said. 

There were more than 2.4 million migrant encounters in fiscal year 2023, and since fiscal year 2024 began, a record number of encounters of more than 300,000. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

shecky said:

FBI Director Wray warns of southern border smuggling network with ‘ISIS ties’

"From an FBI perspective, we are seeing a wide array of very dangerous threats that emanate from the border," FBI Director Christopher Wray said.

By Natalia Mittelstadt

Published: March 11, 2024 7:22pm

FBI Director Christopher Wray told senators on Monday that there are “very dangerous threats” coming from the U.S.-Mexico border, including a smuggling network with "ISIS ties." 

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., asked Wray during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing Monday regarding threats at the southern border, Fox News reported. 

Wray responded, saying, "From an FBI perspective, we are seeing a wide array of very dangerous threats that emanate from the border. And that includes everything from drug trafficking — the FBI alone seized enough fentanyl in the last two years to kill 270 million people — that's just on the fentanyl side." 

"An awful lot of the violent crime in the United States is at the hands of gangs who are themselves involved in the distribution of that fentanyl," he added. 

Rubio asked about smuggling networks moving people around the world and whether they could have ties to ISIS or other terrorist organizations. 

"So, I want to be a little bit careful how far I can go in open session, but there is a particular network that, where some of the overseas facilitators of the smuggling network have ISIS ties that we're very concerned about and that we've been spending enormous amount of effort with our partners investigating. Exactly what that network is up to is something that's, again, the subject of our current investigation," Wray said. 

There were more than 2.4 million migrant encounters in fiscal year 2023, and since fiscal year 2024 began, a record number of encounters of more than 300,000. 

seriously. tell that to the gop that scuttled their own border bill. call the people that could actually do something about it. if their heads were not so far up trump's butt groveling for his endorsement, maybe they would.

brianlux

Biden

Merkin Baller said:

brianlux said:

Merkin Baller said:

Agonizing About Biden’s Age Is Worse Than Irrelevant

The big issue in this election isn’t oldness and it isn’t character.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/agonizing-about-biden-age-worse-than-irrelevant?utm_campaign=post

I love this:
"In a perverse bit of reverse-reverse psychology, Biden’s political opponents spent so many months building up his diminished capacity that anything but a desiccated corpse would have appeared vigorous compared to the low expectations they established. And he certainly seemed much more on the ball than Katie Britt in her weird histrionic Republican response."

Of course, the author is right- MAGA's simply won't let it go.  They hang their arguments on thin threads.

Their arguments are so weak they're literally blaming Biden for things that happened in Mexico 20 years ago. 

You can't make this stuff up. 

It's almost as though they are suddenly accelerating their own demise.  I can only imagine how the non-MAGA Republicans must feel about all this (of course, they have the option to change parties!)

gimmesometruth27 said:

Merkin Baller said:

brianlux said:

Merkin Baller said:

Agonizing About Biden’s Age Is Worse Than Irrelevant

The big issue in this election isn’t oldness and it isn’t character.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/agonizing-about-biden-age-worse-than-irrelevant?utm_campaign=post

I love this:
"In a perverse bit of reverse-reverse psychology, Biden’s political opponents spent so many months building up his diminished capacity that anything but a desiccated corpse would have appeared vigorous compared to the low expectations they established. And he certainly seemed much more on the ball than Katie Britt in her weird histrionic Republican response."

Of course, the author is right- MAGA's simply won't let it go.  They hang their arguments on thin threads.

Their arguments are so weak they're literally blaming Biden for things that happened in Mexico 20 years ago. 

You can't make this stuff up. 

surprised they aren't still blaming obama for stuff that happened in the 80s

Give them time...

Merkin Baller

“Imagine if Biden owed 100 million to someone he raped and Jill Biden was MIA on the campaign trail and 91 felonies were hanging over his head and he painted his face orange and named his daughter the head of the DNC and just had dinner with a dictator at his gaudy country club.”

brianlux

Biden

Merkin Baller said:

“Imagine if Biden owed 100 million to someone he raped and Jill Biden was MIA on the campaign trail and 91 felonies were hanging over his head and he painted his face orange and named his daughter the head of the DNC and just had dinner with a dictator at his gaudy country club.”

Someone would say, "You can't make this shit up."   

Merkin Baller

brianlux said:

Merkin Baller said:

“Imagine if Biden owed 100 million to someone he raped and Jill Biden was MIA on the campaign trail and 91 felonies were hanging over his head and he painted his face orange and named his daughter the head of the DNC and just had dinner with a dictator at his gaudy country club.”

Someone would say, "You can't make this shit up."   

Now imagine going back in time 40 years and telling Reagan republicans that in 2024 the GOP would be caping for Russia. 

brianlux

Biden

Merkin Baller said:

brianlux said:

Merkin Baller said:

“Imagine if Biden owed 100 million to someone he raped and Jill Biden was MIA on the campaign trail and 91 felonies were hanging over his head and he painted his face orange and named his daughter the head of the DNC and just had dinner with a dictator at his gaudy country club.”

Someone would say, "You can't make this shit up."   

Now imagine going back in time 40 years and telling Reagan republicans that in 2024 the GOP would be caping for Russia. 

I'm guessing most would flat-out not believe it!

Halifax2TheMax

Brandon clinched his party's nomination before POOTWH. So much winning.