Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mrussel1

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

but once trump is gone, then what? you think trumpism will still have a stranglehold on the party?

No.  Populisms tends to be centered around a person.  In this country it was TR, Huey Long, and those types.  Once they exited the scene, normalcy returned.  I tend to think that will be the case.  

I wonder what will become of our maga friends once this happens...

It’s a mistake to believe that all of this goes away when POOTWH goes away. The POOTWH wing controls the party now and it’s stacked with the likes of Steve O, Herr Miller, hell, even Kelly Ann CONway is a true believer. They’re all working to make this our reality, are well funded, own the courts and a good number of state legislatures and secretaries of states and aren’t going away anytime soon. RINOs have no chance.

But Trump doesn't have an organized set of principles which someone else could take the mantle next.  Other than immigration.  Everything else is a mish-mash of thoughts and rantings that are designed to help him in the specific moment.  So when you have no set of principles and the mouthpiece who fancies himself as a comedian is gone,  you have nothing consistent.  Reagan had principles that kept his movement going.  Those don't exist here.  Abortion,  healthcare, foreign policy,  trade,  student loans,  does anyone really know where he stands on these? Not really because his stance will depend on the transaction and the circumstance. 

The Juggler

Biden

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

but once trump is gone, then what? you think trumpism will still have a stranglehold on the party?

No.  Populisms tends to be centered around a person.  In this country it was TR, Huey Long, and those types.  Once they exited the scene, normalcy returned.  I tend to think that will be the case.  

I wonder what will become of our maga friends once this happens...

It’s a mistake to believe that all of this goes away when POOTWH goes away. The POOTWH wing controls the party now and it’s stacked with the likes of Steve O, Herr Miller, hell, even Kelly Ann CONway is a true believer. They’re all working to make this our reality, are well funded, own the courts and a good number of state legislatures and secretaries of states and aren’t going away anytime soon. RINOs have no chance.

But Trump doesn't have an organized set of principles which someone else could take the mantle next.  Other than immigration.  Everything else is a mish-mash of thoughts and rantings that are designed to help him in the specific moment.  So when you have no set of principles and the mouthpiece who fancies himself as a comedian is gone,  you have nothing consistent.  Reagan had principles that kept his movement going.  Those don't exist here.  Abortion,  healthcare, foreign policy,  trade,  student loans,  does anyone really know where he stands on these? Not really because his stance will depend on the transaction and the circumstance. 

Agreed. It is called a Cult of Personality for a reason.

I fear our friends will drift aimlessly after Trump goes away...and the Republican party will have no one to blame but themselves. 

Bentleyspop

Biden

mrussel1 said:

shecky said:

Out of My Mind and Time said:

Xiden can't do it. F, he will barely make it through tonight. Wonder what drug cocktail they will have him on tonight to be up so late. Bet he is zzzzz now just to make it. 

He better not fall down, go off on his own thoughts tonight. Or you can drive that last nail in his coffin. 

Yes, I suspect that Biden is being kept in bed, tended to by a cadre of doctors and mental health specialists in an effort to eek out every iota of brain function possible. It is all very, very sad and I place much of the blame on Joe's wife for subjecting him to this constant public humiliation, and, of course, the extreme peril it places our country in. Is it not enough for Jill to be referred to as "Dr. Jill Biden"?  She cannot resist the pomp of being announced as "First Lady Dr. Jill Biden"? It was clearly evident during the 2019 Democratic primary debates that Biden was in no mental condition for the demanding job of President of the U.S.A.. If only Jill would've ended it all then and there.

You live in a fantasy world.  

All of the QtRUmplican sycophants live in a fantasy world.

tbergs

Biden

There's really no point in Biden debating Trump. Trump wants to use it as reality TV where he just throw insults and made up shit because MAGA loves it. They don't care about facts either. He doesn't know how to debate, let alone have an adult conversation. 2nd graders have deeper conversations than that idiot. He's a walking sound bite with nothing but disjointed nonsense for communication.

The Juggler

Biden

tbergs said:

There's really no point in Biden debating Trump. Trump wants to use it as reality TV where he just throw insults and made up shit because MAGA loves it. They don't care about facts either. He doesn't know how to debate, let alone have an adult conversation. 2nd graders have deeper conversations than that idiot. He's a walking sound bite with nothing but disjointed nonsense for communication.

Trump also does not want to debate, despite him saying otherwise publicly. He will probably demand Sean Hannity as the moderator or else he won't do it.

The RNC has already taken strides to make it easier for them to not participate. 

Merkin Baller

Humbly begging asking for $5.00. 

tbergs

Biden

Merkin Baller said:

Humbly begging asking for $5.00. 

Or help keep your favorite president out of jail by covering my legal fees from Crooked Joe's DOJ witch hunt.

He should have been an ambulance chaser type of lawyer. He's Saul Goodman, only with no brain. 

Merkin Baller

tbergs said:

Merkin Baller said:

Humbly begging asking for $5.00. 

Or help keep your favorite president out of jail by covering my legal fees from Crooked Joe's DOJ witch hunt.

He should have been an ambulance chaser type of lawyer. He's Saul Goodman, only with no brain. 

Only $5 to Make America Great Again.

"We love the Poorly Educated." 

Vitalogensia

Biden

But he adds "Take care of your family and yourself first", so he very obviously cares about the people.  And loves this country. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

tbergs said:

There's really no point in Biden debating Trump. Trump wants to use it as reality TV where he just throw insults and made up shit because MAGA loves it. They don't care about facts either. He doesn't know how to debate, let alone have an adult conversation. 2nd graders have deeper conversations than that idiot. He's a walking sound bite with nothing but disjointed nonsense for communication.

this.

you cannot have a serious conversation with an unserious person. 

there is evidence of that on this train every single day these days.

gimmesometruth27

Biden

biden would make a point in a debate and trump would probably just hold up a meme or a political cartoon as his rebuttal.

mrussel1

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

tbergs said:

There's really no point in Biden debating Trump. Trump wants to use it as reality TV where he just throw insults and made up shit because MAGA loves it. They don't care about facts either. He doesn't know how to debate, let alone have an adult conversation. 2nd graders have deeper conversations than that idiot. He's a walking sound bite with nothing but disjointed nonsense for communication.

this.

you cannot have a serious conversation with an unserious person. 

there is evidence of that on this train every single day these days.

That's what he did in 2020 and it didn't work. 

mrussel1

Biden

"You can't love your country only when you win."

Good line 

Halifax2TheMax

Where were all the “Truth” social live tweets? Oh, the platform crashed? Better send $5.00 or whatever you can give so that “winner” can keep telling you the “truth.” Suckers.

shecky

Trump: 'I Extend an Open Hand' to 'Disillusioned' Democrats

By Eric Mack    |   Saturday, 09 March 2024 06:36 PM EST

Making a call for unity, while continuing to bash President Joe Biden for his "hate-filled rant" at the State of the Union, former President Donald Trump extended a hand to "disillusioned" Democrats disenchanted with the "worst president in history."

"If you're disillusioned Democrat, today I extend an open hand — and I ask you to join us on this noble quest to saving our country," Trump told his campaign rally in Rome, Georgia, on Saturday night in a speech that aired live and in its entirety on Newsmax and the Newsmax2 streaming platform.

"Two nights ago, we all heard Crooked Joe's angry, dark, hate-filled rant of a State of the Union Address. Joe Biden gave the most divisive, partisan, radical, and extreme speech ever delivered by a president in that chamber. It's not even close. Rather than trying to bring our country together, he tried to cling to power by tearing our country apart."

Biden's speech was "angry," too, Trump told his rally in the key battleground state of Georgia.

"You know why he's angry? He doesn't know what he's doing."

"Joe Biden should not be shouting angrily at America — America should be shouting angrily at Joe Biden," Trump said. "And we should be saying, 'Crooked Joe, you're fired.'"

Biden was widely panned for making his State of the Union a campaign speech in an election year, as opposed to focusing on America, and Trump seized on that criticism.Trump hailed his movement toward a Biden rematch in November, potentially clinching the GOP nomination in primaries as soon as this next Tuesday.

"This has been a tremendous week for our movement — we won BIG on Super Tuesday," Trump's speech began. "They call it Super Tuesday for a reason.

"And now, we are just days away from officially clinching the Republican Nomination for President of the United States of America."

mickeyrat

Biden

shecky said:

Trump: 'I Extend an Open Hand' to 'Disillusioned' Democrats

By Eric Mack    |   Saturday, 09 March 2024 06:36 PM EST

Making a call for unity, while continuing to bash President Joe Biden for his "hate-filled rant" at the State of the Union, former President Donald Trump extended a hand to "disillusioned" Democrats disenchanted with the "worst president in history."

"If you're disillusioned Democrat, today I extend an open hand — and I ask you to join us on this noble quest to saving our country," Trump told his campaign rally in Rome, Georgia, on Saturday night in a speech that aired live and in its entirety on Newsmax and the Newsmax2 streaming platform.

"Two nights ago, we all heard Crooked Joe's angry, dark, hate-filled rant of a State of the Union Address. Joe Biden gave the most divisive, partisan, radical, and extreme speech ever delivered by a president in that chamber. It's not even close. Rather than trying to bring our country together, he tried to cling to power by tearing our country apart."

Biden's speech was "angry," too, Trump told his rally in the key battleground state of Georgia.

"You know why he's angry? He doesn't know what he's doing."

"Joe Biden should not be shouting angrily at America — America should be shouting angrily at Joe Biden," Trump said. "And we should be saying, 'Crooked Joe, you're fired.'"

Biden was widely panned for making his State of the Union a campaign speech in an election year, as opposed to focusing on America, and Trump seized on that criticism.Trump hailed his movement toward a Biden rematch in November, potentially clinching the GOP nomination in primaries as soon as this next Tuesday.

"This has been a tremendous week for our movement — we won BIG on Super Tuesday," Trump's speech began. "They call it Super Tuesday for a reason.

"And now, we are just days away from officially clinching the Republican Nomination for President of the United States of America."

https://twitter.com/AntiToxicPeople/status/1766615682651947046?s=19

shecky

Why it will be tough for Biden to defeat Trump

Analysis by Harry Enten, CNN

 5 minute read 

Published 7:30 AM EST, Sat March 9, 2024

CNN — 

The 2024 presidential general election is here, for all intents and purposes. Joe Biden and Donald Trump are set to face off in the first presidential rematch since 1956. It’s also the first rematch between a current and a former president since 1892.

But unlike in 2020 when he was favored over Trump for the entirety of the campaign, Biden faces a rougher road this time around. Indeed, he has no better than a 50-50 shot for reelection, and fans of the current president should be aware that Trump has a real chance at retaking the White House.

Just look at the polls that were released in the past week. Surveys from The New York Times/Siena College, CBS News/YouGov, Fox News and The Wall Street Journal all gave Trump a higher percentage of the vote than Biden by margins ranging from 2 to 4 points. (KFF had Biden scoring 3 points higher than Trump.)

All those results were officially within the margin of error, but put together they paint a picture of a troubled incumbent.

It’s not just that Biden is in worse shape against his general election opponent than almost any incumbent in the past 75 years (save Trump in 2020). It’s that a lead of any margin for Trump was unheard of during the 2020 campaign – not a single poll that met CNN’s standards for publication showed Trump leading Biden nationally.

And in that 2020 race, the states that put Biden over the top in the Electoral College (Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin) were each decided by less than a point. He had very little margin for error.

The state of polling today looks worse for Biden. I’ve previously pointed out that the president looks to be in a considerably worse position in Sun Belt battleground states today than four years ago.

He’s trailing by 5 points or more in the most recent polling from Arizona, Georgia and Nevada. No Democratic presidential candidate has lost Nevada since 2004.

If Biden loses all of those states, he can still win if he carries every other contest he did in 2020 — that would help him finish 270-268 in electoral votes.

The problem for Biden is that he’s behind in Michigan. The average of polls over the past six months that meet CNN’s standards for publication has him down 4 points.

In other words, the polls show Trump ahead, however narrowly, in enough states right now to win the Electoral College and the presidency.

The election, though, isn’t being held today or tomorrow. It’s being held in about eight months.

But if I were Biden, it’s not so much the “horse race” polling that would bother me. It’s what lies underneath the hood.

Americans say the top problems facing the country are either related to the economy or immigration. Trump is considerably more trusted than Biden on both issues. It’s possible that if consumer sentiment continues to improve or border crossings decline, Biden could pick up steam against Trump.

Then again, I’m not so sure. Biden is the least popular elected incumbent at this point in his reelection bid since World War II. His approval rating is hovering at or just below 40%. The two most recent incumbents with similarly low approval ratings around this point in their presidencies (Trump and George H.W. Bush in 1992) both lost in November.

A lot of Democrats like to argue that you can’t just look at Biden’s approval ratings. His opponent is unpopular too, with unfavorable ratings above his favorable ratings.

It’s a fair point, but numerous polls (including the most recent ones from Fox News, The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal) have Trump’s favorable ratings a few points higher than Biden’s. Again, this is very different from what we were seeing in 2020.

This means that it isn’t enough for Biden merely to win voters who dislike both men. He has to win them by a substantial margin to make up for his popularity deficit.

With eight months to go, Biden could certainly make up the gap. But unlike in most campaigns, both major-party candidates are already well defined. Less than 5% of voters aren’t able to register an opinion on Biden or Trump.

For more people to turn against Trump, Biden’s best hope may lie with the four criminal indictments against the former president. Putting aside the fact that the start dates for most of those trials are iffy, except for the New York hush money case, it’s not clear how much of a difference it would make were Trump to be found guilty in any of those cases.

A majority of likely voters (53%) said they already thought Trump had committed a serious federal crime, according to the New York Times polling. The same poll showed Trump up 4 points among likely voters.

Trump was ahead in this survey because 18% of his supporters said he had committed a serious federal crime and were still backing him. Such a statistic should be worrying to Biden supporters because if some voters think Trump committed a serious federal crime but are still willing to vote for him, what could possibly get them to change their minds?

By the same token, the Times polling found that 72% of likely voters said Biden’s age made him too old to be an effective president (compared with the comparatively smaller 53% who said Trump had committed a serious federal crime). This gap could be one of the biggest reasons Biden is having issues against Trump.

Perhaps the big question over the next eight months is whether Trump’s weaknesses will start to outweigh Biden’s. If they do, it’s probably the president’s best chance at earning another term.

gimmesometruth27

Biden

again. this was compiled before the state of the union address and the biden momentum from that. believe it if you want to, but it ain't the truth.

benjs

gimmesometruth27 said:

again. this was compiled before the state of the union address and the biden momentum from that. believe it if you want to, but it ain't the truth.

Truth has nothing to do with what compels these people to share this content.

gimmesometruth27

Biden

benjs said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

again. this was compiled before the state of the union address and the biden momentum from that. believe it if you want to, but it ain't the truth.

Truth has nothing to do with what compels these people to share this content.

kind of like how they continue to conflate crowd size with voter turnout. they are not the same thing.