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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Biden

    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,423
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    And it appears that they may have built him as well.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited March 2024
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Nikki? after campaigning on her being a birdbrain? I can't see that, not even from that moron. 
    Power, being a heartbeat away and the oval are all intoxicating. She’d sell her soul for that opportunity. She’s done if she’s not VP or in the cabinet. Her time is now, not in 4 years.
    That is not entirely true. She could be playing the long game and betting Trump loses and goes to prison. Polling shows the only thing that will crater his support is if he becomes a convicted felon. She'd be set up well in '28 in that scenario. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,230
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Nikki? after campaigning on her being a birdbrain? I can't see that, not even from that moron. 
    Power, being a heartbeat away and the oval are all intoxicating. She’d sell her soul for that opportunity. She’s done if she’s not VP or in the cabinet. Her time is now, not in 4 years.
    That is not entirely true. She could be playing the long game and betting Trump loses and goes to prison. Polling shows the only thing that will crater his support is if he becomes a convicted felon. She'd be set up well in '28 in that scenario. 
    can any of the other candidates "unsuspend" their campaign in the event trump gets convicted?

    sounds like something chris christie or desantis would do.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,423
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Nikki? after campaigning on her being a birdbrain? I can't see that, not even from that moron. 
    Power, being a heartbeat away and the oval are all intoxicating. She’d sell her soul for that opportunity. She’s done if she’s not VP or in the cabinet. Her time is now, not in 4 years.
    That is not entirely true. She could be playing the long game and betting Trump loses and goes to prison. Polling shows the only thing that will crater his support is if he becomes a convicted felon. She'd be set up well in '28 in that scenario. 
    POOTWH going to prison now or within 4 years has no bearing as she’s dropped out of the race. Four years from now she’s a “has been” and voters have moved on, particularly repub voters.
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  • brianlux
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    edited March 2024
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Nikki? after campaigning on her being a birdbrain? I can't see that, not even from that moron. 
    Power, being a heartbeat away and the oval are all intoxicating. She’d sell her soul for that opportunity. She’s done if she’s not VP or in the cabinet. Her time is now, not in 4 years.
    That is not entirely true. She could be playing the long game and betting Trump loses and goes to prison. Polling shows the only thing that will crater his support is if he becomes a convicted felon. She'd be set up well in '28 in that scenario. 
    can any of the other candidates "unsuspend" their campaign in the event trump gets convicted?

    sounds like something chris christie or desantis would do.

    Is conviction before the election still possible or even likely (I honestly don't know)?  He keeps managing to get trial dates pushed forward.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,617
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so who does trump run with as VP?
    My money has been on Stefanik for a while now...
    Mine's been on Tulski Gabbard. She's pro-Russia, loves to lash out at the Democratic Party, and is decent looking (which matters to Trump).
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,617
    Biden
    Though the most important thing might be the willingness to pledge never to certify a presidential election to the Democrat under any circumstance.

    Do what Pence didn't have the guts to do.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
    tbergs said:
    I mean, you'd have to believe Trump won in order to rally your party behind him again after losing so badly last time. It'd be like if Dems let Hillary take another shot at it.

    What happens if Biden dies before the election? Does that put Kamala at the top of the ticket?

    I've really come to dread presidential election years. They bring out the worst in this country and really show you how shitty people can be. 

    doesnt take a presidential election for that.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,230
    Biden
    its going to be mtg.
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  • The Juggler
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    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Nikki? after campaigning on her being a birdbrain? I can't see that, not even from that moron. 
    Power, being a heartbeat away and the oval are all intoxicating. She’d sell her soul for that opportunity. She’s done if she’s not VP or in the cabinet. Her time is now, not in 4 years.
    That is not entirely true. She could be playing the long game and betting Trump loses and goes to prison. Polling shows the only thing that will crater his support is if he becomes a convicted felon. She'd be set up well in '28 in that scenario. 
    POOTWH going to prison now or within 4 years has no bearing as she’s dropped out of the race. Four years from now she’s a “has been” and voters have moved on, particularly repub voters.
    Sure it does, as long as she doesn't endorse him. Exit polls show her supporters and even Republicans in general would abandon Trump if he ever gets convicted. There's a definitely a lane there and she's one of the very few currently driving in it. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited March 2024
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so who does trump run with as VP?
    My money has been on Stefanik for a while now...
    Mine's been on Tulski Gabbard. She's pro-Russia, loves to lash out at the Democratic Party, and is decent looking (which matters to Trump).
    I think the pro Russia thing is one of the reasons she wont get it. Too obvious.

    Stefanik at least looks like a regular republican to people not paying attention. Tulsi's a weirdo. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so who does trump run with as VP?
    My money has been on Stefanik for a while now...
    Mine's been on Tulski Gabbard. She's pro-Russia, loves to lash out at the Democratic Party, and is decent looking (which matters to Trump).
    I think the pro Russia thing is one of the reasons she wont get it. Too obvious.

    Stefanik at least looks like a regular republican to people not paying attention. Tulsi's a weirdo. 
    Okay look, y'all gonna be mad at me for saying this but I'm just saying what I think Trump is thinking.  

    No way it's Elise Stefanik.  She has gotten big since joining the House and Trump doesn't like that.  He's so vain, he doesn't want a chubby girl up there with him.  These are not my opinions, I'm putting myself in his thought process.  I think Noem is more likely
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,423
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Nikki? after campaigning on her being a birdbrain? I can't see that, not even from that moron. 
    Power, being a heartbeat away and the oval are all intoxicating. She’d sell her soul for that opportunity. She’s done if she’s not VP or in the cabinet. Her time is now, not in 4 years.
    That is not entirely true. She could be playing the long game and betting Trump loses and goes to prison. Polling shows the only thing that will crater his support is if he becomes a convicted felon. She'd be set up well in '28 in that scenario. 
    POOTWH going to prison now or within 4 years has no bearing as she’s dropped out of the race. Four years from now she’s a “has been” and voters have moved on, particularly repub voters.
    Sure it does, as long as she doesn't endorse him. Exit polls show her supporters and even Republicans in general would abandon Trump if he ever gets convicted. There's a definitely a lane there and she's one of the very few currently driving in it. 
    You’re assuming two things from what I can gather. One, that POOTWH will be convicted and if he is, drop out or be forced out before the election. The appeals process will run well past November and even if it’s expedited to SCOTUS, they’ll let him run and if elected, serve. There is no lane there.

    Two, if Nikkki isn’t VP or the #2 on the ticket, she has no lane to the WH. There won’t be another election and the repub party convention calling a congress or whatever would have to happen if I’m wrong on point one, isn’t going to drop the #2 to make Nikkki the new #1. There is no lane there.

    Nikkki’s time is now by negotiating her strident endorsement and campaigning  in exchange for the VP nod. If she doesn’t get it, she’s done and her White House dreams go “poof.”

    That White House dream is a powerful one and one in which, if asked, you swallow your pride and serve a POS like POOTWH because, even still, at the end of the day, you both represent the same party. Even Chris would abandon his principles for that dream.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,230
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so who does trump run with as VP?
    My money has been on Stefanik for a while now...
    Mine's been on Tulski Gabbard. She's pro-Russia, loves to lash out at the Democratic Party, and is decent looking (which matters to Trump).
    I think the pro Russia thing is one of the reasons she wont get it. Too obvious.

    Stefanik at least looks like a regular republican to people not paying attention. Tulsi's a weirdo. 
    Okay look, y'all gonna be mad at me for saying this but I'm just saying what I think Trump is thinking.  

    No way it's Elise Stefanik.  She has gotten big since joining the House and Trump doesn't like that.  He's so vain, he doesn't want a chubby girl up there with him.  These are not my opinions, I'm putting myself in his thought process.  I think Noem is more likely
    since everything is transactional with trump, maybe he will name judge cannon as his running mate.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so who does trump run with as VP?
    My money has been on Stefanik for a while now...
    Mine's been on Tulski Gabbard. She's pro-Russia, loves to lash out at the Democratic Party, and is decent looking (which matters to Trump).
    I think the pro Russia thing is one of the reasons she wont get it. Too obvious.

    Stefanik at least looks like a regular republican to people not paying attention. Tulsi's a weirdo. 
    Okay look, y'all gonna be mad at me for saying this but I'm just saying what I think Trump is thinking.  

    No way it's Elise Stefanik.  She has gotten big since joining the House and Trump doesn't like that.  He's so vain, he doesn't want a chubby girl up there with him.  These are not my opinions, I'm putting myself in his thought process.  I think Noem is more likely
    Have you seen her recently? Been dieting and may have had some kind of surgery. She looks like a typical suburban housewife right now. I mean, she's not hot but definitely looks a lot better than a year or so ago when she had her kid.

    I also think because she's from a blue state, Trump thinks that will appeal to moderates (despite the fact she completely moved to the looney tune maga right over the last 4 years).
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so who does trump run with as VP?
    My money has been on Stefanik for a while now...
    Mine's been on Tulski Gabbard. She's pro-Russia, loves to lash out at the Democratic Party, and is decent looking (which matters to Trump).
    I think the pro Russia thing is one of the reasons she wont get it. Too obvious.

    Stefanik at least looks like a regular republican to people not paying attention. Tulsi's a weirdo. 
    Okay look, y'all gonna be mad at me for saying this but I'm just saying what I think Trump is thinking.  

    No way it's Elise Stefanik.  She has gotten big since joining the House and Trump doesn't like that.  He's so vain, he doesn't want a chubby girl up there with him.  These are not my opinions, I'm putting myself in his thought process.  I think Noem is more likely
    Have you seen her recently? Been dieting and may have had some kind of surgery. She looks like a typical suburban housewife right now. I mean, she's not hot but definitely looks a lot better than a year or so ago when she had her kid.

    I also think because she's from a blue state, Trump thinks that will appeal to moderates (despite the fact she completely moved to the looney tune maga right over the last 4 years).
    Everything I saw recently must have been before that.  She was KB.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited March 2024
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Nikki? after campaigning on her being a birdbrain? I can't see that, not even from that moron. 
    Power, being a heartbeat away and the oval are all intoxicating. She’d sell her soul for that opportunity. She’s done if she’s not VP or in the cabinet. Her time is now, not in 4 years.
    That is not entirely true. She could be playing the long game and betting Trump loses and goes to prison. Polling shows the only thing that will crater his support is if he becomes a convicted felon. She'd be set up well in '28 in that scenario. 
    POOTWH going to prison now or within 4 years has no bearing as she’s dropped out of the race. Four years from now she’s a “has been” and voters have moved on, particularly repub voters.
    Sure it does, as long as she doesn't endorse him. Exit polls show her supporters and even Republicans in general would abandon Trump if he ever gets convicted. There's a definitely a lane there and she's one of the very few currently driving in it. 
    You’re assuming two things from what I can gather. One, that POOTWH will be convicted and if he is, drop out or be forced out before the election. The appeals process will run well past November and even if it’s expedited to SCOTUS, they’ll let him run and if elected, serve. There is no lane there.

    Two, if Nikkki isn’t VP or the #2 on the ticket, she has no lane to the WH. There won’t be another election and the repub party convention calling a congress or whatever would have to happen if I’m wrong on point one, isn’t going to drop the #2 to make Nikkki the new #1. There is no lane there.

    Nikkki’s time is now by negotiating her strident endorsement and campaigning  in exchange for the VP nod. If she doesn’t get it, she’s done and her White House dreams go “poof.”

    That White House dream is a powerful one and one in which, if asked, you swallow your pride and serve a POS like POOTWH because, even still, at the end of the day, you both represent the same party. Even Chris would abandon his principles for that dream.
    Nope. It's almost as if you did not read what I wrote. Surely a "long road" would not end in the short term, right?

    Odds are he will not be tried and convicted before the election at this point. Her long game might be if he loses the election and then gets convicted she could be there to scoop up both her supporters who do not like Trump and the Trump supporters who've indicated they would abandon him if he ever was convicted.

    She is basically the only person in that lane right now. And your boy Christie, but Haley's path would be a little easier since she didn't completely burn her bridges like he did. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Nikki? after campaigning on her being a birdbrain? I can't see that, not even from that moron. 
    Power, being a heartbeat away and the oval are all intoxicating. She’d sell her soul for that opportunity. She’s done if she’s not VP or in the cabinet. Her time is now, not in 4 years.
    That is not entirely true. She could be playing the long game and betting Trump loses and goes to prison. Polling shows the only thing that will crater his support is if he becomes a convicted felon. She'd be set up well in '28 in that scenario. 
    POOTWH going to prison now or within 4 years has no bearing as she’s dropped out of the race. Four years from now she’s a “has been” and voters have moved on, particularly repub voters.
    Sure it does, as long as she doesn't endorse him. Exit polls show her supporters and even Republicans in general would abandon Trump if he ever gets convicted. There's a definitely a lane there and she's one of the very few currently driving in it. 
    You’re assuming two things from what I can gather. One, that POOTWH will be convicted and if he is, drop out or be forced out before the election. The appeals process will run well past November and even if it’s expedited to SCOTUS, they’ll let him run and if elected, serve. There is no lane there.

    Two, if Nikkki isn’t VP or the #2 on the ticket, she has no lane to the WH. There won’t be another election and the repub party convention calling a congress or whatever would have to happen if I’m wrong on point one, isn’t going to drop the #2 to make Nikkki the new #1. There is no lane there.

    Nikkki’s time is now by negotiating her strident endorsement and campaigning  in exchange for the VP nod. If she doesn’t get it, she’s done and her White House dreams go “poof.”

    That White House dream is a powerful one and one in which, if asked, you swallow your pride and serve a POS like POOTWH because, even still, at the end of the day, you both represent the same party. Even Chris would abandon his principles for that dream.
    Nope. It's almost as if you did not read what I wrote. Surely a "long road" would not end in the short term, right?

    Odds are he will not be tried and convicted before the election at this point. Her long game might be if he loses the election and then gets convicted she could be there to scoop up both her supporters who do not like Trump and the Trump supporters who've indicated they would abandon him if he ever was convicted.

    She is basically the only person in that lane right now. And your boy Christie, but Haley's path would be a little easier since she didn't completely burn her bridges like he did. 
    I don’t see either of them as being relevant in four years, regardless if POOTWH is elected, loses the election, is convicted or not. In four years you’ve got youngkin and the up and comers yet to be named (Maggie three names, Matt gets off, on the far right crazy POOTWH train mold, other more “reasonable and palatable” like Don Jr., maybe Lara if she does okay with the RNC, there are others, the torch will have passed).

    Without the VP slot, a high level cabinet position or another elected office, it’s difficult to be in the public eye and have a record to run on. Four years of obscurity doesn’t elevate your desirability. Just ask Chris. And in 4 more years, ‘Murica will be that much dumber.
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    And I did read what you wrote. I just don’t understand your take. Now that I do, I still disagree with it.
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