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I mean Biden probably is the most progressive president in history other than maybe FDR, but we're dealing with a very low bar.
He's forgiven a massive amount of problematic student loans.
He's passed, through the Inflation Reduction Act, the most progressive environmental policy in our history.
He pulled us out of Afghanistan.
He changed Medicare Part D to allow for negotiation and price control on prescription drugs.
He tried to pass a massive policing bill which was shut down in Congress.
I view all of these as accomplishments, but if you were hoping to have someone who had no agenda and just sent troops to the border then I guess you could be disappointed. I don't think Biden did or conceived of any of this on his own. I do think he's to some extent being directed by his cabinet, but that's true of every president. He's definitely way too old, and I wish he had spent the past year pumping up a successor. But I enjoy voting and living in a country where we have elections, so to me that automatically disqualifies Trump from consideration.
The problem with liberals, which isn't actually a problem, is that we eat our own. There are no cars flying Biden flags. There are no Biden hats. He hate everyone we elect as soon as they aren't perfect. I think that's the best way to be. The cult of personality stuff clouds judgment. We should all hate these politicians. This was the reason I didn't vote for Bernie in the primary. I don't want anyone to be president that other people would kill for.
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I mean this is fair. And, yeah, it's a low bar. Most people on the way left do not think any of this stuff went far enough though. It's all relative.JesseMcK said:I mean Biden probably is the most progressive president in history other than maybe FDR, but we're dealing with a very low bar.
He's forgiven a massive amount of problematic student loans.
He's passed, through the Inflation Reduction Act, the most progressive environmental policy in our history.
He pulled us out of Afghanistan.
He changed Medicare Part D to allow for negotiation and price control on prescription drugs.
He tried to pass a massive policing bill which was shut down in Congress.
I view all of these as accomplishments, but if you were hoping to have someone who had no agenda and just sent troops to the border then I guess you could be disappointed. I don't think Biden did or conceived of any of this on his own. I do think he's to some extent being directed by his cabinet, but that's true of every president. He's definitely way too old, and I wish he had spent the past year pumping up a successor. But I enjoy voting and living in a country where we have elections, so to me that automatically disqualifies Trump from consideration.
The problem with liberals, which isn't actually a problem, is that we eat our own. There are no cars flying Biden flags. There are no Biden hats. He hate everyone we elect as soon as they aren't perfect. I think that's the best way to be. The cult of personality stuff clouds judgment. We should all hate these politicians. This was the reason I didn't vote for Bernie in the primary. I don't want anyone to be president that other people would kill for.
But, as you can see, the republicans don't even seem to care about this stuff anymore (or they actually support some of it but refuse to either admit it or don't wan to give Biden credit). They're just mad at the culture war bullshit stuff and the border....which, as we now know plain as day, they have no interest in helping to fix.www.myspace.com0 -
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I'm a moderate by every definition. Gay pride is great. More power to them. Moderates have no issue with gay marriage and pride. If you're against this, then you are MAGA right. Congrats.Ledbetterman10 said:
Juggler said Biden's not a progressive liberal. Everything I posted were arguments that he is. A pride day celebration at the White House is something a progressive liberal would put on. Same goes for his immigration policies. You can say the 2015 quote is out of context. I think it looks more like prophecy.mrussel1 said:
1. It's a lie because of context and not about the migrant situation going on today. That makes it a lie and you've been duped. H2M posted it.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
2. Who cares about gay pride? Allowing people to be person they are is a negative to you? Are you afraid you're going to catch it?
3. Of course we know about the DOJ issue. But this is a state vs federal issue. Texas is interfering with Border Patrol and they do NOT have jurisdiction. Why didn't you post the Supreme Court ruling from 2 days ago where the very right wing SCOTUS ruled for Biden? How about Texas follows the law?0 -
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BidenThis no impulse control loser just cost himself tens of millions of dollars....and someone here is more concerned about Biden's mental capacity? lol
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Being an abusive angry adolescent trapped in an old man’s body just got even more expensive. $83 million. WowThe Juggler said:This no impulse control loser just cost himself tens of millions of dollars....and someone here is more concerned about Biden's mental capacity? lol0 -
Damn you BRANDON!
Donald Trump, who is already appealing last year’s verdict against him, said on Truth Social that he will appeal this ruling, too. He claimed Friday, without evidence, that the case is a “Biden Directed Witch Hunt.”
Trump added, “They have taken away all First Amendments Rights” and “THIS IS NOT AMERICA!”
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You’re ridiculous. I never said I have anything against gay marriage. I said that I think that a pride celebration at the White House is evidence of Biden being a progressive. But I must be wrong because you speak for all moderates. Congrats.mrussel1 said:
I'm a moderate by every definition. Gay pride is great. More power to them. Moderates have no issue with gay marriage and pride. If you're against this, then you are MAGA right. Congrats.Ledbetterman10 said:
Juggler said Biden's not a progressive liberal. Everything I posted were arguments that he is. A pride day celebration at the White House is something a progressive liberal would put on. Same goes for his immigration policies. You can say the 2015 quote is out of context. I think it looks more like prophecy.mrussel1 said:
1. It's a lie because of context and not about the migrant situation going on today. That makes it a lie and you've been duped. H2M posted it.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
2. Who cares about gay pride? Allowing people to be person they are is a negative to you? Are you afraid you're going to catch it?
3. Of course we know about the DOJ issue. But this is a state vs federal issue. Texas is interfering with Border Patrol and they do NOT have jurisdiction. Why didn't you post the Supreme Court ruling from 2 days ago where the very right wing SCOTUS ruled for Biden? How about Texas follows the law?2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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"Absolutely ridiculous! I fully disagree with both verdicts, and will be appealing this whole Biden Directed Witch Hunt focused on me and the Republican Party. Our Legal System is out of control, and being used as a Political Weapon. They have taken away all First Amendment Rights. THIS IS NOT AMERICA!"
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BidenLedbetterman10 said:
You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Teddy Roosevelt, a PROGRESSIVE, was a REPUBLICAN. Went after the robber barons.Nixon created the EPA, oversaw and signed the Clean Water Act. Clean Air Act and other liberal commie budiness hating legislation..._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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The Pride parade is evidence of him being a moderate, liberal, or a progressive. That's the point. In other words, it's evidence of not being MAGA.Ledbetterman10 said:
You’re ridiculous. I never said I have anything against gay marriage. I said that I think that a pride celebration at the White House is evidence of Biden being a progressive. But I must be wrong because you speak for all moderates. Congrats.mrussel1 said:
I'm a moderate by every definition. Gay pride is great. More power to them. Moderates have no issue with gay marriage and pride. If you're against this, then you are MAGA right. Congrats.Ledbetterman10 said:
Juggler said Biden's not a progressive liberal. Everything I posted were arguments that he is. A pride day celebration at the White House is something a progressive liberal would put on. Same goes for his immigration policies. You can say the 2015 quote is out of context. I think it looks more like prophecy.mrussel1 said:
1. It's a lie because of context and not about the migrant situation going on today. That makes it a lie and you've been duped. H2M posted it.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
2. Who cares about gay pride? Allowing people to be person they are is a negative to you? Are you afraid you're going to catch it?
3. Of course we know about the DOJ issue. But this is a state vs federal issue. Texas is interfering with Border Patrol and they do NOT have jurisdiction. Why didn't you post the Supreme Court ruling from 2 days ago where the very right wing SCOTUS ruled for Biden? How about Texas follows the law?
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Of course Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive as a republican. The democrats were too busy enacting Jim Crow laws at the time.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Teddy Roosevelt, a PROGRESSIVE, was a REPUBLICAN. Went after the robber barons.Nixon created the EPA, oversaw and signed the Clean Water Act. Clean Air Act and other liberal commie budiness hating legislation...
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BidenLedbetterman10 said:
Of course Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive as a republican. The democrats were too busy enacting Jim Crow laws at the time.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Teddy Roosevelt, a PROGRESSIVE, was a REPUBLICAN. Went after the robber barons.Nixon created the EPA, oversaw and signed the Clean Water Act. Clean Air Act and other liberal commie budiness hating legislation...
sooo progressivism is ok if its a gop thing. got it.
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Think of them as Southern Conservatives. Now what would they be called today....hmm...Ledbetterman10 said:
Of course Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive as a republican. The democrats were too busy enacting Jim Crow laws at the time.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Teddy Roosevelt, a PROGRESSIVE, was a REPUBLICAN. Went after the robber barons.Nixon created the EPA, oversaw and signed the Clean Water Act. Clean Air Act and other liberal commie budiness hating legislation...0 -
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"Absolutely ridiculous! I fully disagree with both verdicts, and will be appealing this whole Biden Directed Witch Hunt focused on me and the Republican Party. Our Legal System is out of control, and being used as a Political Weapon. They have taken away all First Amendment Rights. THIS IS NOT AMERICA!"
President Donald Trump this morning signaled his Republican Congressional soldiers to change libel laws in the wake of Bob Woodward’s explosive new book about his administration.
“Isn’t it a shame that someone can write an article or book, totally make up stories and form a picture of a person that is literally the exact opposite of the fact, and get away with it without retribution or cost,” Trump tweeted the day after Washington Post released the first excerpts of Fear: Trump in the White House.
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Present day progressivism is to defund police, allow hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to come and go as they please, you must believe that if a man calls himself a woman, then he really is a woman, and all white people are racist oppressors. That’s a far cry the Roosevelt-era progressivism.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
Of course Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive as a republican. The democrats were too busy enacting Jim Crow laws at the time.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Teddy Roosevelt, a PROGRESSIVE, was a REPUBLICAN. Went after the robber barons.Nixon created the EPA, oversaw and signed the Clean Water Act. Clean Air Act and other liberal commie budiness hating legislation...
sooo progressivism is ok if its a gop thing. got it.Some “progressive” things are the same as they were in normal times though. I don’t take any issue with Biden or the Dems’ climate agenda, which would be in the same ballpark as the Nixon stuff you listed.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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So true. So why hasn't Biden done one of those things? He's a progressive according to you? Why does he support Israel in the war and not the Palestinians like some on the far left?Ledbetterman10 said:
Present day progressivism is to defund police, allow hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to come and go as they please, you must believe that if a man calls himself a woman, then he really is a woman, and all white people are racist oppressors. That’s a far cry the Roosevelt-era progressivism.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
Of course Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive as a republican. The democrats were too busy enacting Jim Crow laws at the time.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Teddy Roosevelt, a PROGRESSIVE, was a REPUBLICAN. Went after the robber barons.Nixon created the EPA, oversaw and signed the Clean Water Act. Clean Air Act and other liberal commie budiness hating legislation...
sooo progressivism is ok if its a gop thing. got it.Some “progressive” things are the same as they were in normal times though. I don’t take any issue with Biden or the Dems’ climate agenda, which would be in the same ballpark as the Nixon stuff you listed.0 -
There’s progressives, and there’s progressives as defined by right wing media that’s bounced around daily in the social media echo chamber, which is what you’re describing. It’s the same schtick where a label gets attached to anything the right doesn’t like until the label is just a pejorative without actual meaning.Ledbetterman10 said:
Present day progressivism is to defund police, allow hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to come and go as they please, you must believe that if a man calls himself a woman, then he really is a woman, and all white people are racist oppressors. That’s a far cry the Roosevelt-era progressivism.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
Of course Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive as a republican. The democrats were too busy enacting Jim Crow laws at the time.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Teddy Roosevelt, a PROGRESSIVE, was a REPUBLICAN. Went after the robber barons.Nixon created the EPA, oversaw and signed the Clean Water Act. Clean Air Act and other liberal commie budiness hating legislation...
sooo progressivism is ok if its a gop thing. got it.Some “progressive” things are the same as they were in normal times though. I don’t take any issue with Biden or the Dems’ climate agenda, which would be in the same ballpark as the Nixon stuff you listed.0 -
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Like me being called MAGA despite not voting for Trump in either election. But here in the PJ forum echo chamber, that label gets attached to anyone with a dissenting viewpoint, making the label just a pejorative without actual meaning.Go Beavers said:
There’s progressives, and there’s progressives as defined by right wing media that’s bounced around daily in the social media echo chamber, which is what you’re describing. It’s the same schtick where a label gets attached to anything the right doesn’t like until the label is just a pejorative without actual meaning.Ledbetterman10 said:
Present day progressivism is to defund police, allow hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to come and go as they please, you must believe that if a man calls himself a woman, then he really is a woman, and all white people are racist oppressors. That’s a far cry the Roosevelt-era progressivism.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
Of course Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive as a republican. The democrats were too busy enacting Jim Crow laws at the time.mickeyrat said:Ledbetterman10 said:
You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Teddy Roosevelt, a PROGRESSIVE, was a REPUBLICAN. Went after the robber barons.Nixon created the EPA, oversaw and signed the Clean Water Act. Clean Air Act and other liberal commie budiness hating legislation...
sooo progressivism is ok if its a gop thing. got it.Some “progressive” things are the same as they were in normal times though. I don’t take any issue with Biden or the Dems’ climate agenda, which would be in the same ballpark as the Nixon stuff you listed.So how would you describe someone that believes in the stuff I listed above? We’ll use AOC as an example because she obviously believes in all of it. If she a progressive? Or is she “a progressive as defined by right wing media that’s bounced around daily in the social media echo chamber”?2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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dude, most normal, non asshole, americans support the lgbtq community. are we all progressive liberals?Ledbetterman10 said:
Juggler said Biden's not a progressive liberal. Everything I posted were arguments that he is. A pride day celebration at the White House is something a progressive liberal would put on. Same goes for his immigration policies. You can say the 2015 quote is out of context. I think it looks more like prophecy.mrussel1 said:
1. It's a lie because of context and not about the migrant situation going on today. That makes it a lie and you've been duped. H2M posted it.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
2. Who cares about gay pride? Allowing people to be person they are is a negative to you? Are you afraid you're going to catch it?
3. Of course we know about the DOJ issue. But this is a state vs federal issue. Texas is interfering with Border Patrol and they do NOT have jurisdiction. Why didn't you post the Supreme Court ruling from 2 days ago where the very right wing SCOTUS ruled for Biden? How about Texas follows the law?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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