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You have to step out if the right wing echo chamber before making any objective determination on Biden’s positions on actual policyLedbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.0 -
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Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.0 -
Congratulations. On being duped and exposing your fears.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.How Tucker Carlson twisted a 2015 clip of Biden into a conspiracy theory
“An unrelenting stream of immigration. But why? Well, Joe Biden just said it, to change the racial mix of the country. That’s the reason, to reduce the political power of people whose ancestors lived here, and dramatically increase the proportion of Americans newly arrived from the Third World. … This is the language of eugenics, it’s horrifying.”— Fox News host Tucker Carlson, remarks during his evening news show, Sept. 22
We tend to focus on statements made by politicians, not pundits. But Carlson has such an outsized influence on the political rhetoric within the Republican Party that we are going to make an exception here.
At issue here is how Carlson used a 2015 clip of then-Vice President Joe Biden to make the claim that Biden has some sort of secret plan to flood the United States with undocumented immigrants to accomplish what Carlson called “the great replacement” — what he describes as “the replacement of legacy Americans with more obedient people from faraway countries.”
Never mind that Biden’s special envoy for Haiti just resigned to protest the Biden administration’s “inhumane” deportation of Haitian migrants. Carlson is not describing correctly what Joe Biden said six years ago.
The Facts
Carlson snipped just half a minute from a six-minute riff that Biden had made at a 2015 White House global conference on confronting global extremism. The three-day event, with representatives from more than 60 nations, was hosted by then-President Barack Obama after a wave of terrorist attacks in Paris, Sydney, Copenhagen and Ottawa.
This is a good example of manipulated video, as defined by The Fact Checker’s guide. It’s what we label “isolation” — sharing a brief clip from a longer video that creates a false narrative that does not reflect what happened.
Here’s Biden’s comments in the clip that Carlson played:
“An unrelenting stream of immigration, nonstop, nonstop. Folks like me who were Caucasian, of European descent for the first time in 2017 will be in an absolute minority in the United States of America, absolute minority. Fewer than 50 percent of the people in America from then and on will be White European stock. That’s not a bad thing. That’s as a source of our strength.”
As the video above shows, this clip takes Biden’s remarks out of context. In fact, Carlson even clips out the first part of the “unrelenting stream” sentence. Biden had started by saying “So the second thing in that black box,” which would have indicated that Biden was midstream in a thought.
It was a long thought — about six minutes of commentary, beginning with the fact that the city of Boston came together as a community after the bombing during the Boston Marathon. “I’m not suggesting to the press or any of our guests that I think America has all the answers here,” Biden said. “We just have a lot more experience. By that I mean, we are a nation of immigrants. That’s who we are.”
Then, he observed, “it started all the way back in the late 1700s. So there's been a constant, unrelenting stream of immigration, not in little trickles, but in large numbers.”
Biden noted he had been in Singapore with Lee Kuan Yew, the legendary former “president” — he meant prime minister — who died about a month after these remarks, and they had discussed China.
“What are the Chinese doing now?” Biden says he asked Lee.
“He said to me, and speaks perfect English, he said, ‘They’re in America looking for the buried black box,’ ” Biden said, adding that he was initially puzzled by the comment. Lee explained: “They’re looking for that secret that allows America to constantly be able to remake itself unlike any other country in the world.”
Biden replied that the first part of the secret is “there is an overwhelming skepticism for orthodoxy.” (This is pretty much the opposite of replacement theory, which is presumably why Carlson did not air this section of Biden’s remarks.)
The second part was the “unrelenting stream of immigration” which he said was a source of U.S. strength. (This is the brief section Carlson aired.)
“I don’t want to suggest we have all the answers, but we have a lot of experience of integrating communities into the American system,” Biden continued after the clip aired by Carlson. “The American Dream. … It’s not merely that we’re a melting pot, but we’re proud to be a melting pot.”
He added that “the most important lesson we’ve learned — we don’t always practice it — is that inclusion counts.” Here Biden made a reference to the fact that his Irish forebears were met with skepticism when they arrived in the United States in the late 1800s, encountering signs that said “No Irish need apply” and anti-Catholic prejudice.
“We still have problems,” Biden concluded. “But I’m proud of the American record on culture and economic integration, of not only our Muslim communities but African communities, Asian communities, Hispanic communities.”
Somehow Carlson paraphrased this as Biden saying “that non-White DNA was the source of our strength” — which he declared was “the language of eugenics, it’s horrifying.” But that’s not what Biden said at all. It’s just an invented interpretation by Carlson.
Carlson also casts this as part of a plot to eliminate White America but note that Biden referred to “White European stock” no longer being a majority. The Census Bureau counts Muslims and Iranians as Whites, which is one reason the White, non-Hispanic population is 57.8 percent of the U.S. population in the 2020 Census.
The Pinocchio Test
Through manipulative clipping¸ Carlson grossly misrepresents Biden’s immigration remarks in service of attempting to prove a baseless conspiracy theory. He earns Four Pinocchios.
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Why is Biden a POS? I don’t care if you are voting for Trump, but just wonder why you would call a POS.Out of My Mind and Time said:Trump has my vote. Along with the 1.5 million and growing in my state. Along with my 20 PJ tour buddies, co-workers, family and friends, neighbors. I do not know a single person voting for this current piece of shit in office now. No one.0 -
This current situation is a perfect example of the Biden admin attempting to be centrist and work out a compromise bill, and their out of office King is bullying his party to reject so he can get a W if he gets re-elected. But Biden is the extremist.Halifax2TheMax said:This is what passes for “moderateness” these days and exhibits Brandon’s lack of mental acuity and makes one wonder who’s “really running things.” From Letter From An American:
Attacking Romney on social media, Trump said: "[W]e need a Strong, Powerful, and essentially 'PERFECT' Border and, unless we get that, we are better off not making a Deal, even if that pushes our Country to temporarily 'close up' for a while, because it will end up closing anyway with the unsustainable Invasion that is currently taking place,” which he called “A DEATH WISH for the U.S.A.!...”0 -
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Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
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1. It's a lie because of context and not about the migrant situation going on today. That makes it a lie and you've been duped. H2M posted it.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
2. Who cares about gay pride? Allowing people to be person they are is a negative to you? Are you afraid you're going to catch it?
3. Of course we know about the DOJ issue. But this is a state vs federal issue. Texas is interfering with Border Patrol and they do NOT have jurisdiction. Why didn't you post the Supreme Court ruling from 2 days ago where the very right wing SCOTUS ruled for Biden? How about Texas follows the law?0 -
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Two candidates running for president:Halifax2TheMax said:This is what passes for “moderateness” these days and exhibits Brandon’s lack of mental acuity and makes one wonder who’s “really running things.” From Letter From An American:
Attacking Romney on social media, Trump said: "[W]e need a Strong, Powerful, and essentially 'PERFECT' Border and, unless we get that, we are better off not making a Deal, even if that pushes our Country to temporarily 'close up' for a while, because it will end up closing anyway with the unsustainable Invasion that is currently taking place,” which he called “A DEATH WISH for the U.S.A.!...”
Candidate A supports bipartisan action to help fix the border issue immediately.
Candidate B is openly telling his party to sabotage said bipartisan bill in hopes that the situation gets worse so it weakens Candidate A.
How anyone can call themselves a moderate and vote for Donald Trump is mindboggling to me.
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That's it. Big Red Wave coming this year, folks! This kind of thinking has always predicted elections accurately...right? Oh, shit. Wait...Out of My Mind and Time said:Trump has my vote. Along with the 1.5 million and growing in my state. Along with my 20 PJ tour buddies, co-workers, family and friends, neighbors. I do not know a single person voting for this current piece of shit in office now. No one.www.myspace.com0 -
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Juggler said Biden's not a progressive liberal. Everything I posted were arguments that he is. A pride day celebration at the White House is something a progressive liberal would put on. Same goes for his immigration policies. You can say the 2015 quote is out of context. I think it looks more like prophecy.mrussel1 said:
1. It's a lie because of context and not about the migrant situation going on today. That makes it a lie and you've been duped. H2M posted it.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
2. Who cares about gay pride? Allowing people to be person they are is a negative to you? Are you afraid you're going to catch it?
3. Of course we know about the DOJ issue. But this is a state vs federal issue. Texas is interfering with Border Patrol and they do NOT have jurisdiction. Why didn't you post the Supreme Court ruling from 2 days ago where the very right wing SCOTUS ruled for Biden? How about Texas follows the law?
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Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate? And are you one of these people so consumed by this culture war issue that affects hardly anyone yet is a major maga talking point?Ledbetterman10 said:
Juggler said Biden's not a progressive liberal. Everything I posted were arguments that he is. A pride day celebration at the White House is something a progressive liberal would put on. Same goes for his immigration policies. You can say the 2015 quote is out of context. I think it looks more like prophecy.mrussel1 said:
1. It's a lie because of context and not about the migrant situation going on today. That makes it a lie and you've been duped. H2M posted it.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
2. Who cares about gay pride? Allowing people to be person they are is a negative to you? Are you afraid you're going to catch it?
3. Of course we know about the DOJ issue. But this is a state vs federal issue. Texas is interfering with Border Patrol and they do NOT have jurisdiction. Why didn't you post the Supreme Court ruling from 2 days ago where the very right wing SCOTUS ruled for Biden? How about Texas follows the law?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
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We do need an unrelenting stream of immigrants because the birth rate isn’t high enough for replacement. Republicans aren’t doing themselves any favors by conflating legal immigrants with illegals, but at the same time I can see why since the majority of them think it will be a negative thing when whites become the minority in the not distant future.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
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Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
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Our Supreme Court must be progressive liberal and want illegal immigrants to come in, too.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
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Or cultish. Suspended reality, up is down, down is up and I thought AOC, the squad and Bernie were the progressive liberals? Did 2016 and Hillary not happen?The Juggler said:
Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate? And are you one of these people so consumed by this culture war issue that affects hardly anyone yet is a major maga talking point?Ledbetterman10 said:
Juggler said Biden's not a progressive liberal. Everything I posted were arguments that he is. A pride day celebration at the White House is something a progressive liberal would put on. Same goes for his immigration policies. You can say the 2015 quote is out of context. I think it looks more like prophecy.mrussel1 said:
1. It's a lie because of context and not about the migrant situation going on today. That makes it a lie and you've been duped. H2M posted it.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Also, since you are putting out lies and bullshit across the board, can you point to the campaign promise of "endless stream of immigration". Tell me more about that since you are quoting someone. Who exactly are you quoting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh please. Yeah the functioning Joe Biden from 20 years ago wasn't a progressive liberal (if fact, today's democrats would probably call him a Nazi). But now, as a puppet, he has transgender celebrations on the white house lawn, he fear mongers about white supremacy, and he's actively fighting Texas in an effort to not allow them to secure the border (trying to keep his campaign promise of an "endless stream of immigration" I guess).The Juggler said:Even if you think Biden is a left wing progressive liberal (which he is absolutely not),
All of that seems "left wing progressive liberal" to me.
And Trump's a sociopath that wants to bang his own daughter. Might as well put that out there before the inevitable "what about Trump?" type of responses come.
Not a single lie or bullshit.
"Unrelenting stream of immigration" is the actual quote. It's from 2015 so you'll probably say "That's not a campaign promise!" Well there's the quote. And obviously his polices as president are him putting the quote into action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1qzmBpw_Bw&pp=ygUnYmlkZW4gdW5yZWxlbnRpbmcgc3RyZWFtIG9mIGltbWlncmF0aW9u
Pride month celebration at the White House...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSy77yCeRo&pp=ygUXd2hpdGUgaG91c2UgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D
Biden's DOJ suing Texas.....
DOJ sues Texas and Gov. Greg Abbott over Rio Grande barrier - POLITICO
2. Who cares about gay pride? Allowing people to be person they are is a negative to you? Are you afraid you're going to catch it?
3. Of course we know about the DOJ issue. But this is a state vs federal issue. Texas is interfering with Border Patrol and they do NOT have jurisdiction. Why didn't you post the Supreme Court ruling from 2 days ago where the very right wing SCOTUS ruled for Biden? How about Texas follows the law?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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BidenSome crazy shit coming out the last few days on this board. Confirmation bias is just lazy with so many ways to look in to issues you think are going on. All of the above just proves people want to justify the absolutely shitty choice to vote Trump by making up stuff about Biden. Biden isn't great, but he's definitely not a POS that is seeking revenge and looking to do harm to those who disagree with him.It's a hopeless situation...0
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Compassion and rule of law are progressive liberal ideals. Who knew?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past. A true small government conservative would say "fuck it, that shit is weird, but let them live their lives how they want."
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
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You said he's not a progressive liberal. He himself disagrees....The Juggler said:
For starters, it's probably all of the people on the far left who are condemning him for supporting Israel, blaming him for not somehow making college free for everyone, and mad that police departments remain funded.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well then what makes someone a "progressive liberal"? You said Biden isn't one and obviously you like Biden so I'm guessing you would consider being a "progressive liberal" to be bad. So what is a progressive liberal to you?The Juggler said:Supporting the LGBTQ community now makes you a progressive liberal? Shouldn't that make someone compassionate?
The Supreme Court ruled against Texas. Honoring the Supreme Court's decision makes him a progressive liberal? Abbot seems like he wants to break the law and defy the Supreme Court....is that now considered conservative to you?
This is looney tune stuff, Ledbetter.
And no, Abbot shouldn't break the law. I'm saying that the DOJ bringing this case in the first place shows Biden's desire for more illegal immigrants to come in, and I would consider that a "progressive liberal" thing to do.
The lgbtq stuff? Come on man. Times change. Reasonable people have compassion. The culture war mentality of the far right maga's will be behind the times on this just like they have been for most social issues in the past.
The Supreme Court sided with the DOJ. The right leaning Supreme Court. By your logic, they are progressive liberals now too. This is Bizzaro World.
Joe Biden Says He'd Be The 'Most Progressive' President in History, Tells Bernie Sanders to 'Disown' Misogynistic Supporters (newsweek.com)
And as for the bolded part, and one of the others said something similar above, the Supreme Court's decision was that Texas can't stop federal agents from doing their job. That's not an endorsement of Biden's border policies. That's not the Court saying "Biden is right. There should be illegal immigrants coming by the thousands." That's the Court ruling that as president, Biden has the authority to make federal agents take razor wire off of fences, and by law, that supersedes what the Abbot wants.Post edited by Ledbetterman10 on2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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BidenThere is a difference between politics and knowing you have to appeal to your liberal base as best you can (especially during a primary)...and your actual record. This was four years ago while actively trying to woo Bernie Sanders supporters. What did you want him to tell those people?
By the way, ironically, those are likely the same people who are against Biden for not being a progressive liberal and supporting the things I mentioned earlier.
Also, the "moderate" who brought this up in the first place voted for the Biden after he said this.
Modern maga's would've considered Ronald Reagan progressive.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0
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