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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:

    Poor Jimmy Carter. Being lumped in with the likes of Trump. Trump is in a class by himself and hopefully will be the only one of his kind.
    Carter is before my time...but he must have been really ineffective.  Because Trump is not just a terrible president, but a disgrace to the office and a terrible person.  Jimmy wasn't the latter two...but the little I do know, his presidency was a disaster.  Then again, Jimmy might be the most decent guy to hold that office.  Nice guys finish last...

    The country wasn't as polarized either.  If Carter was president today, with the same circumstances as he had in the late 70's (inflation, OPEC crisis, Iran, etc.), my guess is he'd be in the mid-40's for approval.  The floor of support is different now than it was then, same with the ceiling.  Likewise, if you look at Reagan's winning map in 84, you'll never see that again unless we have a dictator and there's one name on the card.  
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,512
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:

    Poor Jimmy Carter. Being lumped in with the likes of Trump. Trump is in a class by himself and hopefully will be the only one of his kind.
    Carter is before my time...but he must have been really ineffective.  Because Trump is not just a terrible president, but a disgrace to the office and a terrible person.  Jimmy wasn't the latter two...but the little I do know, his presidency was a disaster.  Then again, Jimmy might be the most decent guy to hold that office.  Nice guys finish last...

    The country wasn't as polarized either.  If Carter was president today, with the same circumstances as he had in the late 70's (inflation, OPEC crisis, Iran, etc.), my guess is he'd be in the mid-40's for approval.  The floor of support is different now than it was then, same with the ceiling.  Likewise, if you look at Reagan's winning map in 84, you'll never see that again unless we have a dictator and there's one name on the card.  
    There currently is a name on the card that has literally done everything in his power to attempt to become just that.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:

    Poor Jimmy Carter. Being lumped in with the likes of Trump. Trump is in a class by himself and hopefully will be the only one of his kind.
    Carter is before my time...but he must have been really ineffective.  Because Trump is not just a terrible president, but a disgrace to the office and a terrible person.  Jimmy wasn't the latter two...but the little I do know, his presidency was a disaster.  Then again, Jimmy might be the most decent guy to hold that office.  Nice guys finish last...

    The country wasn't as polarized either.  If Carter was president today, with the same circumstances as he had in the late 70's (inflation, OPEC crisis, Iran, etc.), my guess is he'd be in the mid-40's for approval.  The floor of support is different now than it was then, same with the ceiling.  Likewise, if you look at Reagan's winning map in 84, you'll never see that again unless we have a dictator and there's one name on the card.  

    So we might...
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:

    Poor Jimmy Carter. Being lumped in with the likes of Trump. Trump is in a class by himself and hopefully will be the only one of his kind.
    Carter is before my time...but he must have been really ineffective.  Because Trump is not just a terrible president, but a disgrace to the office and a terrible person.  Jimmy wasn't the latter two...but the little I do know, his presidency was a disaster.  Then again, Jimmy might be the most decent guy to hold that office.  Nice guys finish last...

    The country wasn't as polarized either.  If Carter was president today, with the same circumstances as he had in the late 70's (inflation, OPEC crisis, Iran, etc.), my guess is he'd be in the mid-40's for approval.  The floor of support is different now than it was then, same with the ceiling.  Likewise, if you look at Reagan's winning map in 84, you'll never see that again unless we have a dictator and there's one name on the card.  

    So we might...
    Certainly he'd like to be, but it's encouraging when Esper backtracks from the dispersing of the protesters, and of course the clear criticism by Mattis, Kelly and Powell, three of the most senior generals alive today.  You can't take over a country without the generals or the population.  Right now, he has neither and he's bleeding democratic support for both.  
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    Trump to hold rallies beginning in a couple weeks. His face everywhere carried him to the white house four years ago. So far this year it is having the exact opposite effect. Be my guest, Don. Pack 'em in. Say a bunch of racist nonsense that now a vast majority of voters disagree with. Have at it. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,869
    Biden
    wndowpayne said:
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/biden-meet-george-floyds-family-funeral-71124059?cid=clicksource_4380645_8_heads_posts_headlines_hed



    Another reason. Do you think Trump could pull this off?
    does the pope shit in the woods?
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,218
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:

    Poor Jimmy Carter. Being lumped in with the likes of Trump. Trump is in a class by himself and hopefully will be the only one of his kind.
    Carter is before my time...but he must have been really ineffective.  Because Trump is not just a terrible president, but a disgrace to the office and a terrible person.  Jimmy wasn't the latter two...but the little I do know, his presidency was a disaster.  Then again, Jimmy might be the most decent guy to hold that office.  Nice guys finish last...

    The country wasn't as polarized either.  If Carter was president today, with the same circumstances as he had in the late 70's (inflation, OPEC crisis, Iran, etc.), my guess is he'd be in the mid-40's for approval.  The floor of support is different now than it was then, same with the ceiling.  Likewise, if you look at Reagan's winning map in 84, you'll never see that again unless we have a dictator and there's one name on the card.  

    So we might...
    Certainly he'd like to be, but it's encouraging when Esper backtracks from the dispersing of the protesters, and of course the clear criticism by Mattis, Kelly and Powell, three of the most senior generals alive today.  You can't take over a country without the generals or the population.  Right now, he has neither and he's bleeding democratic support for both.  
    Kelly? I missed that.
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  • mrussel1
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    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:

    Poor Jimmy Carter. Being lumped in with the likes of Trump. Trump is in a class by himself and hopefully will be the only one of his kind.
    Carter is before my time...but he must have been really ineffective.  Because Trump is not just a terrible president, but a disgrace to the office and a terrible person.  Jimmy wasn't the latter two...but the little I do know, his presidency was a disaster.  Then again, Jimmy might be the most decent guy to hold that office.  Nice guys finish last...

    The country wasn't as polarized either.  If Carter was president today, with the same circumstances as he had in the late 70's (inflation, OPEC crisis, Iran, etc.), my guess is he'd be in the mid-40's for approval.  The floor of support is different now than it was then, same with the ceiling.  Likewise, if you look at Reagan's winning map in 84, you'll never see that again unless we have a dictator and there's one name on the card.  

    So we might...
    Certainly he'd like to be, but it's encouraging when Esper backtracks from the dispersing of the protesters, and of course the clear criticism by Mattis, Kelly and Powell, three of the most senior generals alive today.  You can't take over a country without the generals or the population.  Right now, he has neither and he's bleeding democratic support for both.  
    Kelly? I missed that.
    General Kelly defended Mattis, to be specific..

    “The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation,” Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, said in an interview. “The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused. The president tweeted a very positive tweet about Jim until he started to see on Fox News their interpretation of his letter. Then he got nasty. Jim Mattis is a honorable man.”
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    You mean the overrated, pathetic and weak General Kelly, right?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You mean the overrated, pathetic and weak General Kelly, right?
    That's the one. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,218
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:

    Poor Jimmy Carter. Being lumped in with the likes of Trump. Trump is in a class by himself and hopefully will be the only one of his kind.
    Carter is before my time...but he must have been really ineffective.  Because Trump is not just a terrible president, but a disgrace to the office and a terrible person.  Jimmy wasn't the latter two...but the little I do know, his presidency was a disaster.  Then again, Jimmy might be the most decent guy to hold that office.  Nice guys finish last...

    The country wasn't as polarized either.  If Carter was president today, with the same circumstances as he had in the late 70's (inflation, OPEC crisis, Iran, etc.), my guess is he'd be in the mid-40's for approval.  The floor of support is different now than it was then, same with the ceiling.  Likewise, if you look at Reagan's winning map in 84, you'll never see that again unless we have a dictator and there's one name on the card.  

    So we might...
    Certainly he'd like to be, but it's encouraging when Esper backtracks from the dispersing of the protesters, and of course the clear criticism by Mattis, Kelly and Powell, three of the most senior generals alive today.  You can't take over a country without the generals or the population.  Right now, he has neither and he's bleeding democratic support for both.  
    Kelly? I missed that.
    General Kelly defended Mattis, to be specific..

    “The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation,” Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, said in an interview. “The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused. The president tweeted a very positive tweet about Jim until he started to see on Fox News their interpretation of his letter. Then he got nasty. Jim Mattis is a honorable man.”
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  • The Juggler
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    Biden
    Type your comment.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Type your comment.
    I wish it broke it down by income....you do have to stand in awe of how the GOP was able to get non-college educated poor people to favor them.  And it all relates to racism and bigotry.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    Biden
    I can't wait for tRump to fire Parscale....it's going to be beautiful
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    The Juggler said:
    Type your comment.
    I wish it broke it down by income....you do have to stand in awe of how the GOP was able to get non-college educated poor people to favor them.  And it all relates to racism and bigotry.
    Maybe racism and bigotry, but certainly there's a grievance element to it. He plays into the mindset that something happened to them that wasn't fair.  
  • The Juggler
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    edited June 2020
    Biden
    Big takeaway for me was Trump's lead among even the less educated people is eroding...
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  • mrussel1
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    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Big takeaway for me was Trump's lead among even the less educated people is eroding...
    65+ is the big takeaway for me.  Also, his lead among women swamps the small deficit with men.  And considering that more women vote than men, that's great news for us.  
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Big takeaway for me was Trump's lead among even the less educated people is eroding...
    "I love the poorly educated" remains one of my favorite Trumpisms. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,869
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Big takeaway for me was Trump's lead among even the less educated people is eroding...
    further proof that one can be dumb and still understand the difference between decency and cruelty.

    if these trends continue, trump may be headed for the worst electoral defeat in american history. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,731
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Big takeaway for me was Trump's lead among even the less educated people is eroding...
    further proof that one can be dumb and still understand the difference between decency and cruelty.

    if these trends continue, trump may be headed for the worst electoral defeat in american history. 
    Which would make his statements about his own "electoral landslide" even more interesting....if that was a landslide what do you call 498-40?
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