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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,958
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    I prepare tax returns....it is kind of funny to see the people that I know are tRumpsters just beside themselves over getting their stimulus checks.

    I can't tell you how many calls and emails I have received from people inquiring about those.  


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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    *sarcasm*
    Duh the answer is to just quit whining and get a corporate job with an employer subsidized health plan, because that is real choice. *sarcasm*
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    static111 said:
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    *sarcasm*
    Duh the answer is to just quit whining and get a corporate job with an employer subsidized health plan, because that is real choice. *sarcasm*
    Why don't you support a person choosing whether they have gov't or employer based insurance?  Does what works for you have to work for me?
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Where did you think I don’t support people choosing how to spend their post tax money? 
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,618
    Gern Blansten said:
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    I prepare tax returns....it is kind of funny to see the people that I know are tRumpsters just beside themselves over getting their stimulus checks.

    I can't tell you how many calls and emails I have received from people inquiring about those.  


    The idea that people who make that much (less than the threshold) care for Trump makes me laugh.  It certainly is not because of how he feels about them.  That income level person doesn't even exist to him outside of voting time.

    We received paperwork back so should have the PPP funds shortly.  It is a relief and will allow for eight weeks of continued employment for some who likely would not have been able to stay based on how many of our customers extended terms or closed up during the lockdown.

    I feel for all of the companies who have to wait for round two and hope they get it done a lot faster.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    I can't think of anyone on here who fits that description, but definitely in my real life I've seen it.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,958
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    I prepare tax returns....it is kind of funny to see the people that I know are tRumpsters just beside themselves over getting their stimulus checks.

    I can't tell you how many calls and emails I have received from people inquiring about those.  


    The idea that people who make that much (less than the threshold) care for Trump makes me laugh.  It certainly is not because of how he feels about them.  That income level person doesn't even exist to him outside of voting time.

    We received paperwork back so should have the PPP funds shortly.  It is a relief and will allow for eight weeks of continued employment for some who likely would not have been able to stay based on how many of our customers extended terms or closed up during the lockdown.

    I feel for all of the companies who have to wait for round two and hope they get it done a lot faster.
    I have a classic story...elderly lady on medicare (since she was over 65) and her main income being social security, she also had some investments that she used to supplement her SS...every year she would come in my office to drop off her tax info and tell me how I was missing out if I wasn't listening to Glen Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.  Obama was awful, etc.

    On medicare, receiving social security....voting republican...it just doesn't get stupider
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,595
    Gern Blansten said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    I prepare tax returns....it is kind of funny to see the people that I know are tRumpsters just beside themselves over getting their stimulus checks.

    I can't tell you how many calls and emails I have received from people inquiring about those.  


    The idea that people who make that much (less than the threshold) care for Trump makes me laugh.  It certainly is not because of how he feels about them.  That income level person doesn't even exist to him outside of voting time.

    We received paperwork back so should have the PPP funds shortly.  It is a relief and will allow for eight weeks of continued employment for some who likely would not have been able to stay based on how many of our customers extended terms or closed up during the lockdown.

    I feel for all of the companies who have to wait for round two and hope they get it done a lot faster.
    I have a classic story...elderly lady on medicare (since she was over 65) and her main income being social security, she also had some investments that she used to supplement her SS...every year she would come in my office to drop off her tax info and tell me how I was missing out if I wasn't listening to Glen Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.  Obama was awful, etc.

    On medicare, receiving social security....voting republican...it just doesn't get stupider
    Oh, it does. A lot more.
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    myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    *sarcasm*
    Duh the answer is to just quit whining and get a corporate job with an employer subsidized health plan, because that is real choice. *sarcasm*
    Why don't you support a person choosing whether they have gov't or employer based insurance?  Does what works for you have to work for me?
    Insurance? Insurance.... How'about just healthcare without the "Insurance" part?  We've covered this and you seem to never get it. 

    Your care with your "Insurance" is the same care as someone with Medicare or any other "Insurance".. the difference is how we as a society pay for it.. Keeping it attached to a particular job is not a sustainable system, We've proved that..

    After WWII companies actually competed against each other with benefit packages to persuade people to come work for them. Not a thing today... 
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    myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    "No Socialism in America!!   and.... you better not touch my Social Security Checks or Medicare benefits!!"....  :o

    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    *sarcasm*
    Duh the answer is to just quit whining and get a corporate job with an employer subsidized health plan, because that is real choice. *sarcasm*
    Why don't you support a person choosing whether they have gov't or employer based insurance?  Does what works for you have to work for me?
    Insurance? Insurance.... How'about just healthcare without the "Insurance" part?  We've covered this and you seem to never get it. 

    Your care with your "Insurance" is the same care as someone with Medicare or any other "Insurance".. the difference is how we as a society pay for it.. Keeping it attached to a particular job is not a sustainable system, We've proved that..

    After WWII companies actually competed against each other with benefit packages to persuade people to come work for them. Not a thing today... 
    That's why I said "government"...
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,709
    myoung321 said:
    "No Socialism in America!!   and.... you better not touch my Social Security Checks or Medicare benefits!!"....  :o


    Notice the glazed look in the eyes:

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    brianlux said:
    myoung321 said:
    "No Socialism in America!!   and.... you better not touch my Social Security Checks or Medicare benefits!!"....  :o


    Notice the glazed look in the eyes:

    I bet that's fake.  The woman looks too young too young to be on Medicare. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,709

    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    myoung321 said:
    "No Socialism in America!!   and.... you better not touch my Social Security Checks or Medicare benefits!!"....  :o


    Notice the glazed look in the eyes:

    I bet that's fake.  The woman looks too young too young to be on Medicare. 

    Could be, M.  Let's try again:


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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    myoung321 said:
    "No Socialism in America!!   and.... you better not touch my Social Security Checks or Medicare benefits!!"....  :o


    Notice the glazed look in the eyes:

    I bet that's fake.  The woman looks too young too young to be on Medicare. 

    Could be, M.  Let's try again:


    Yes that one was real.  I remember when Obama would bring it up and snicker. 
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    myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    *sarcasm*
    Duh the answer is to just quit whining and get a corporate job with an employer subsidized health plan, because that is real choice. *sarcasm*
    Why don't you support a person choosing whether they have gov't or employer based insurance?  Does what works for you have to work for me?
    Insurance? Insurance.... How'about just healthcare without the "Insurance" part?  We've covered this and you seem to never get it. 

    Your care with your "Insurance" is the same care as someone with Medicare or any other "Insurance".. the difference is how we as a society pay for it.. Keeping it attached to a particular job is not a sustainable system, We've proved that..

    After WWII companies actually competed against each other with benefit packages to persuade people to come work for them. Not a thing today... 
    That's why I said "government"...
    And once again... What does that mean? There are no Government Hospitals for Medicare... It's the same Doctors... Same Hospitals.. etc etc..   

    You're confusing "Healthcare Insurance" with actual Healthcare... two different things..  and here lays the problem. People have been programmed to think they're one in the same.

    If you're getting the same exact care as anyone else, then why would you prefer the type of system that does not cover a large portion of the society you live in? 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    myoung321 said:
    I'm very happy seeing some members getting a little help..   Congrats... !

    With that in mind... Now go back to some of your own posts and read your comments about how awful Social programs are or how we can't afford things like Medicare 4 All or Higher Education?  We obviously can... it's a matter of priorities..

    Maybe the good that can come out of this is more empathy for those that are less fortunate or those taken advantage of in our society.  (Like those working without healthcare or not making enough to afford overpriced healthcare insurance )     
    *sarcasm*
    Duh the answer is to just quit whining and get a corporate job with an employer subsidized health plan, because that is real choice. *sarcasm*
    Why don't you support a person choosing whether they have gov't or employer based insurance?  Does what works for you have to work for me?
    Insurance? Insurance.... How'about just healthcare without the "Insurance" part?  We've covered this and you seem to never get it. 

    Your care with your "Insurance" is the same care as someone with Medicare or any other "Insurance".. the difference is how we as a society pay for it.. Keeping it attached to a particular job is not a sustainable system, We've proved that..

    After WWII companies actually competed against each other with benefit packages to persuade people to come work for them. Not a thing today... 
    That's why I said "government"...
    And once again... What does that mean? There are no Government Hospitals for Medicare... It's the same Doctors... Same Hospitals.. etc etc..   

    You're confusing "Healthcare Insurance" with actual Healthcare... two different things..  and here lays the problem. People have been programmed to think they're one in the same.

    If you're getting the same exact care as anyone else, then why would you prefer the type of system that does not cover a large portion of the society you live in? 
    If you're advocating for government hospitals,  you can count me out now. we have one example in that today... the VA.  I don't wish that care on anyone.  

    I know the difference between care and insurance.  Im not ignorant.  What I don't know is precisely what you're supporting.  Im supporting a person being able to choose between government insurance and private insurance.  
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,156
    how long until the next one runs out?
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    how long until the next one runs out?
    Apple is eating the whole thing
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,156
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    how long until the next one runs out?
    Apple is eating the whole thing
    really? how can that be allowed to happen?

    i saw trump mentioned the ceo the other day but did not really pay attention beyond that.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    how long until the next one runs out?
    Apple is eating the whole thing
    really? how can that be allowed to happen?

    i saw trump mentioned the ceo the other day but did not really pay attention beyond that.
    Just kidding... however... the friggin LAKERS received funds!  They've returned it but they are probably worth a few billion!
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,709
    I'm pretty much lost hope of going back to work any time soon or of getting any PPP, so I re-opened my on-line book presence.  Our  Post Office seem pretty safe and we take all the necessary precautions.  But the hassles of selling a book here and there now days is crazy- gloves, mask, hand sanitizer, waiting to go in when it's slow.  All for a few bucks.  But at least I don't feel like a worthless piece of shit without a job.  What a weird life this is!
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    I am a patriotI am a patriot Posts: 428
    Ummm...this doesn't make sense. IRS not allowing deductions for items paid with forgivable PPP loans. 
     
    Hopefully Congress gets their shit together and fixes.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2020/04/30/irs-denies-tax-deductions-for-wages-rent-paid-with-forgivable-ppp-loans/
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    I am a patriot said:
    Ummm...this doesn't make sense. IRS not allowing deductions for items paid with forgivable PPP loans. 
     
    Hopefully Congress gets their shit together and fixes.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2020/04/30/irs-denies-tax-deductions-for-wages-rent-paid-with-forgivable-ppp-loans/
    The PPP is supposed to cover payroll for struggling businesses. It's not an investment tool for growing a business, it's an emergency measure to stay afloat.  A substantial amount of the businesses that took this loan never needed it, such a shame.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    rgambs said:
    I am a patriot said:
    Ummm...this doesn't make sense. IRS not allowing deductions for items paid with forgivable PPP loans. 
     
    Hopefully Congress gets their shit together and fixes.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2020/04/30/irs-denies-tax-deductions-for-wages-rent-paid-with-forgivable-ppp-loans/
    The PPP is supposed to cover payroll for struggling businesses. It's not an investment tool for growing a business, it's an emergency measure to stay afloat.  A substantial amount of the businesses that took this loan never needed it, such a shame.
    Yeah I agree.  It's a forgivable loan and you don't even have to treat the forgiveness as income.  So doubling down and making it a deduction seems over the top.  I mean we have to get SOME tax dollars in the door.  
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,958
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    It makes perfect sense....I agree that the "forgivable loan" verbiage was confusing but I was shocked at the number of CPAs in some of our network groups that were convinced that the business could deduct payroll and not include the proceeds as income.  Ridiculous.

    It is kind of amazing though that there is no repayment provision for businesses that were not affected by the virus.  I have an auto repair client that is having a kickass year so far.  People are having things done to their vehicles because they are off work and can do without them....they didn't expect this but now they have this PPP loan coming in on top of their sales.

    They really should have had some sort of repayment provision based on revenues for March/April/May, etc.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,958
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,752
    So how does everyone feel about PJ taking a ppp loan?
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    As long as they used it to pay their people and they had no other way to pay them I’m good.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,958
    static111 said:
    As long as they used it to pay their people and they had no other way to pay them I’m good.
    Well.....like many other "businesses" they likely had other ways to pay them.  I won't fault them for utilizing a program that they qualified for.  I got a PPP loan and arguably didn't need it.

    The problem isn't so much with the businesses that obtained the loans...it's that the gov't left the repayment provisions so open ended that it's free money.  
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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