Comes then Goes

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  • I am as sure as I can be that it is about Chris, and equally sure that the references to "she" is about death / depression / drugs, not about a specific person.

    Also, when I heard the lyric "like images of angels in the snow...", my mind immediately went to this Instagram post.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B7Ubye5p3QU/?igshid=13ke4notyunfs
  • kaikaikaikai Posts: 55
    I am as sure as I can be that it is about Chris, and equally sure that the references to "she" is about death / depression / drugs, not about a specific person.

    Also, when I heard the lyric "like images of angels in the snow...", my mind immediately went to this Instagram post.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B7Ubye5p3QU/?igshid=13ke4notyunfs
    Oh my. Thanks for sharing that. Hurt my heart a little but yeah... I can see why you thought of that.  I had never seen it before. 
  • VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 1,900
    This is such an awesome song: beautiful and powerful, the guitar work is so strong, and the lyrics are emotional and provocative.  Fucking love this song.
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  • PJammin'PJammin' Posts: 1,604
    CPR7 said:
    dlymnfld said:
    Anyone else feel this was written with Chris in mind? There even appears to be a verse directed towards Vicki?  Either way it’s an amazing song and I also like The Who reference. Great Album. 
    100% written for Chris. And I do believe the last verse is about Vicky:

    "High or low, try again
    She fell off the altar
    A vision you caught her but then
    A woodcut in red
    I wish it was not you that she had led
    Selfish navigation with no end
    Where'd you sleep? Can I find
    A deeper connection
    In the face of rejection I'm trying
    I'm trying
    Evidence in the echoes of your mind
    Leads me to believe we missed the signs
    Can I try one last time?
    Could all use a savior from human behavior sometimes
    And the kids are alright
    The Queen of Collections took your time
    Sadness comes 'cause some of it was mine"
    I believe a lot of it is written about her. The she in this song is not death. All the lyrics reveal the subject. I think another telling lyric is...could all use a savior from human behavior and the kids are alright. 
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Australia Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2020
    Beautiful track in a very sad and haunting way. Stunning! 
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  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,578
    “Evidence in the echoes of your mind
    Leads me to believe we missed the signs.”

    I see this as lamenting (Chris) or a suicidal friend and missing the signs or cries for help.

    ”Can I try one last time? Could all use a savior from human behavior”  Once again lamenting missing the signs and not being there (in Detroit) for his friend
    .
    The Kids are alright refers to both The Who and the two girls and son left behind.

    The line I am not sure is the “woodcut in red”. Maybe a reference to VC in some way.


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  • mshnaydermshnayder Posts: 81
    This song is such a perfect example of Eddie as a lyricist...and I think the beauty and sadness of this song is an example of why Pearl Jam songs just encapsulate me more than any other band ever has
  • ceskaceska New York Posts: 1,075
    Just realizing this morning, this morning makes me think of The Believer by Rhett Miller... He wrote the song the morning after Elliott Smith lost his life.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,740
    PJammin' said:
    CPR7 said:
    dlymnfld said:
    Anyone else feel this was written with Chris in mind? There even appears to be a verse directed towards Vicki?  Either way it’s an amazing song and I also like The Who reference. Great Album. 
    100% written for Chris. And I do believe the last verse is about Vicky:

    "High or low, try again
    She fell off the altar
    A vision you caught her but then
    A woodcut in red
    I wish it was not you that she had led
    Selfish navigation with no end
    Where'd you sleep? Can I find
    A deeper connection
    In the face of rejection I'm trying
    I'm trying
    Evidence in the echoes of your mind
    Leads me to believe we missed the signs
    Can I try one last time?
    Could all use a savior from human behavior sometimes
    And the kids are alright
    The Queen of Collections took your time
    Sadness comes 'cause some of it was mine"
    I believe a lot of it is written about her. The she in this song is not death. All the lyrics reveal the subject. I think another telling lyric is...could all use a savior from human behavior and the kids are alright. 
    "Would some love be best had it not appeared?"
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,833
    This is fast becoming one of my favourites, and possibly my favourite Ed solo song - the lyrics are incredible and absolutely heart breaking.
  • PJammin'PJammin' Posts: 1,604
    PJammin' said:
    CPR7 said:
    dlymnfld said:
    Anyone else feel this was written with Chris in mind? There even appears to be a verse directed towards Vicki?  Either way it’s an amazing song and I also like The Who reference. Great Album. 
    100% written for Chris. And I do believe the last verse is about Vicky:

    "High or low, try again
    She fell off the altar
    A vision you caught her but then
    A woodcut in red
    I wish it was not you that she had led
    Selfish navigation with no end
    Where'd you sleep? Can I find
    A deeper connection
    In the face of rejection I'm trying
    I'm trying
    Evidence in the echoes of your mind
    Leads me to believe we missed the signs
    Can I try one last time?
    Could all use a savior from human behavior sometimes
    And the kids are alright
    The Queen of Collections took your time
    Sadness comes 'cause some of it was mine"
    I believe a lot of it is written about her. The she in this song is not death. All the lyrics reveal the subject. I think another telling lyric is...could all use a savior from human behavior and the kids are alright. 
    "Would some love be best had it not appeared?"
    Exactly. 
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,368
    This song gives me chills much like Release does. It scares me how good it is and makes you stop in your tracks to focus on it. Lyrics are beautiful and haunting. I probably won’t be going a day without listening to this one for the next year or so at least. 
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  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    I wont lie..had to look up "juxtaposed"..
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  • CS160564CS160564 Posts: 34
    A really lovely song with intriguing lyrics.  My one negative comment is that I think it’s a little too long.  Could have dropped a verse out..less is more...to be fair though I personally like slower paced songs to be shorter, so this just may be my bias.
  • CPR7CPR7 Stade de France, July 10, 2016 Posts: 361
    I wont lie..had to look up "juxtaposed"..
    I love how the chord changes immediately after he says juxtaposed.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,740
    I wont lie..had to look up "juxtaposed"..
    But not "vivisection?" ;)

    I love this song so much. One of my new favorites for sure. If I'm nit-picking, I think it should end (at least lyrically) on "some of it was mine." I think it would be powerful if the song ended with that hanging in the air. I could see maybe some sort of musical outro if anything. I don't think the final chorus needs to be repeated.

    But hey ... it's all vivisection in the end.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • SpunkieSpunkie I come from downtown. Posts: 5,395
    “Evidence in the echoes of your mind
    Leads me to believe we missed the signs.”

    I see this as lamenting (Chris) or a suicidal friend and missing the signs or cries for help.

    ”Can I try one last time? Could all use a savior from human behavior”  Once again lamenting missing the signs and not being there (in Detroit) for his friend
    .
    The Kids are alright refers to both The Who and the two girls and son left behind.

    The line I am not sure is the “woodcut in red”. Maybe a reference to VC in some way.


    I hear A. Wood cut in red...
  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,578
    I’m now inclined to interpret “Woodcut in red” as everything she touches is hurt and bloodied, like the woodcut stamp but in blood. Or it could be she is fake, like everything is just stamped out over and over without feeling.
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  • mojo10mojo10 Posts: 43
    tish said:
    “Evidence in the echoes of your mind
    Leads me to believe we missed the signs.”

    I see this as lamenting (Chris) or a suicidal friend and missing the signs or cries for help.

    ”Can I try one last time? Could all use a savior from human behavior”  Once again lamenting missing the signs and not being there (in Detroit) for his friend
    .
    The Kids are alright refers to both The Who and the two girls and son left behind.

    The line I am not sure is the “woodcut in red”. Maybe a reference to VC in some way.


    I hear A. Wood cut in red...
    I agree. Ed is always more subtle. This is a classic EV double entendre...
    Andrew Wood & a red type print...
  • Force Of NatureForce Of Nature Hertfordshire, England Posts: 900
    mojo10 said:
    tish said:
    “Evidence in the echoes of your mind
    Leads me to believe we missed the signs.”

    I see this as lamenting (Chris) or a suicidal friend and missing the signs or cries for help.

    ”Can I try one last time? Could all use a savior from human behavior”  Once again lamenting missing the signs and not being there (in Detroit) for his friend
    .
    The Kids are alright refers to both The Who and the two girls and son left behind.

    The line I am not sure is the “woodcut in red”. Maybe a reference to VC in some way.


    I hear A. Wood cut in red...
    I agree. Ed is always more subtle. This is a classic EV double entendre...
    Andrew Wood & a red type print...

    Whats a wood cut, as in red type print?  I dont get the context to the song...
  • mojo10mojo10 Posts: 43
    a woodcut is typically a block used in typesetting, printing. a reverse of a letter, object, etc used to print something.
  • KN219077KN219077 Montana Posts: 891
    Red letter
  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 9,694
    KN219077 said:
    Red letter
    Scarlet letter?
  • faithful2youfaithful2you Madison, WI Posts: 778
    My favorite track at this point.   Maybe this is just me but the comparisons to other artists or other PJ songs is a little annoying.   "This is the new Black."   "This has a very Thin Air feel to it."  "This song is very Springsteen inspired".  "This has Neil young written all over it"   Why can't it just be new PJ?     
    Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste
  • KN219077KN219077 Montana Posts: 891
    My favorite track at this point.   Maybe this is just me but the comparisons to other artists or other PJ songs is a little annoying.   "This is the new Black."   "This has a very Thin Air feel to it."  "This song is very Springsteen inspired".  "This has Neil young written all over it"   Why can't it just be new PJ?     
    I think it may be that the band has never put out an album with such obvious nods to certain influences.

    This song, had it been written in 1995, would be considered a classic. It’s a perfect Ed solo acoustic song. 
  • mvwmvw Posts: 1,642
    My favorite track at this point.   Maybe this is just me but the comparisons to other artists or other PJ songs is a little annoying.   "This is the new Black."   "This has a very Thin Air feel to it."  "This song is very Springsteen inspired".  "This has Neil young written all over it"   Why can't it just be new PJ?     
    I agree 100% and have been saying the same thing.  Let these songs breathe and be their own.  They are new original songs that sound like Pearl Jam!
  • I've been wondering about the woodcut in red bit for a few days... and somehow came to the conclusion that it refers to a stamp like on a contract. She fell off the altar A vision You caught her but then... (He saved her from being disgraced) If you know a bit about how Chris was trapped into his second marriage with a visibly-pregnant bride. Well, such a tragedy. Would some love be best had it not appeared indeed. 
  • LCLC North Andover, MA Posts: 253
    This song is just so great...haunting and I can't stop listening especially in these times at home.  When Eddie's voice changes or cracks a bit when he says, "I'm Trying..."....damn.
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  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,578
    I've been wondering about the woodcut in red bit for a few days... and somehow came to the conclusion that it refers to a stamp like on a contract. 
    interesting take. 
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,833
    I'm imagining this one won't be played live too much, but when it is....
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