Eddie in Miami last night NetJets

patkelly12

Do as I say, not as I do. Nothing wrong with that. 

Tim Simmons

Also to be fair, he's been way less self righteous in the past 10-12 years. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Tim Simmons said:

I think at this point, its a small, but vocal percentage who are bothered by this. Most of us seem to be "It is what it is".

Maybe that is the saddest part of it all.


People also accept the tenclub not showing any pro-active will to communicate or transparency on not delivering goods for 2 years + with "it s what it is" 

How many would be vocal and force Kelly Curtis to come on the board and "explain" actions today? Getting the band to shoot an, albeit quick and hasty video, and say they were sorry for mistakes done? Like we did X years ago? "it is what it is"

"whatever. it's just a rock band. whos doing the posters for the next tour? Let me buy something"

Tim Simmons

Theres 9,573 things to be angry about everyday. PJ/EV/10c just don't make the cut for me. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Tim Simmons said:

Theres 9,573 things to be angry about everyday. PJ/EV/10c just don't make the cut for me. 

Okey. But still the things concerning the tenclub and the band are important enough for you to make sure everyone knows that they are overreacting for reacting and "it is what it is".

Tim Simmons

well, no thats just me passing the time at my desk. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Tim Simmons said:

well, no thats just me passing the time at my desk. 

Okey, that's swell.

So out of curiosity, discussing with someone kind of on the other side of the fence of things. 

Do you think the fanclub could unify for a cause, "opposing" the tenclub and/or the band if something was perceived as wrong like in my example of the "Sabotage" incident? Or do you think this tired state of "it s what it is", "we should be happy for what we get", and "just leave the fanclub then and I get a better number" has affected the fanbase enough to make the collective reach such a passive stage that it could not happen (anymore)?

smile6680

ddeschler said:

smile6680 said:

I think many fans are tired of hearing  rants...

You could go get a beer/use the toilet if you don't want to hear it.  Or just stay home, buy the boot, and hit forward to the next track.  There's zero chance of these "rants" ever stopping.  They've been going on nearly 30 yrs.

I would go get a beer or whatever but I don't want to miss the music. It's not like he says we won't be playing music for the next five minutes so I can say whatever random thing comes to his mind. The rants don't get upset or anything but I have noticed the crowd around me has become increasingly more irritated/vocal when he does them. It just brings down the energy. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Never seen anything than people being riled up/entertained.

hedonist

Will there be "Down with the Ten Club!!!" and "We DEMAND Answers!!!" signs?  All sorts of variations, I imagine?

Gotta say, uniting for this "cause" isn't something I'd be interested in.

Would those undertaking such a cause choose to let their membership lapse in unison?

Could be a nifty little experiment.  I'll be over there, watching.

Tim Simmons

I don't know what the "sabotage" event is, but yeah. It would have to be pretty egregious though.

I'm never really gonna be pissed off about the singles though. Its disappointing for sure. I'd like them. But its still, what $20-$30 of value? Its not worth the time or effort pursuing it after a certain point. 

Not to rehash another thread, but it can apply here too. I don't think Tim Bierman is sitting around in an office with piles of cash around him from 2 years worth of memberships delighted that he scammed the fanbase. He works for the band, the band hasn't been motivated to do them, he's powerless outside of that. Kelly too. They work for the band, the onus is on them, not the club or management. picking on them does nothing. The band needs to make the decision. 

If people were really upset about all of this, missing singles, private jets, dog collars, you vote with your wallet. You don't buy tickets to shows. You don't buy the new album. you walk away. That sends a message to the band.* And if they still don't care, well, that says more about them than anything. I'm not convinced they are those people, so I'm being patient. There would be a point where I walk away. I've done it with other artists. History tells me they make things right eventually, and I think thats where most fans are. I have no other reason to believe otherwise rn. We're giving them the benefit of the doubt. 

But yeah, there is probably a threshold.

* I’m editing this because I’m not trying to be dismissive. I know people still love the band despite this. But if you feel like you aren’t being heard in regards to your grievances, this is truly the next step. People have made the threads. They have made the calls. They’ve emailed. I’m certain the band, management and club know how dissatisfied many fans are.  If you’re still not happy that there are no singles, or that they keep selling new merch, or that Ed and the band plays corporate events, walking away shows them that fans can have a breaking point. 

I get that fans are fired up with this. Your anger is fair. But, sticking around sends mixed messages. If you aren’t hopeful for the future of PJ and how they deal with fans, show them how their decisions affect you with actions. 

BennyLaRue

Yeah, that's really the only answer. Vote with your wallets. Don't renew your memberships and certainly don't buy tickets.

Abe Froman

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Tim Simmons said:

well, no thats just me passing the time at my desk. 

Okey, that's swell.

So out of curiosity, discussing with someone kind of on the other side of the fence of things. 

Do you think the fanclub could unify for a cause, "opposing" the tenclub and/or the band if something was perceived as wrong like in my example of the "Sabotage" incident? Or do you think this tired state of "it s what it is", "we should be happy for what we get", and "just leave the fanclub then and I get a better number" has affected the fanbase enough to make the collective reach such a passive stage that it could not happen (anymore)?

You’re not painting the whole picture here bud. I’ve never said any of those quotes and have said it’s 10c mistake on singles. But they have given an update and I don’t need the same update every month. They are working on them and will deliver. My point being is many of us don’t think some of these things are a big deal at all. I especially don’t give a fuck if EV takes a jet to a gig. WE DONT KNOW THE DETAILS!  And we certainly don’t know how he  lives his life at home. And most definitely none of these things make me want to “unify” and “take a stand” against the band or 10c. In fact it’s kind of embarrassing. 

Vedd Hedd

Ed is working with a company that is curbing emissions/carbon crediting.

This is 1995 ed with 2020 ed resources.

Abe Froman

Vedd Hedd said:

Ed is working with a company that is curbing emissions/carbon crediting.

This is 1995 ed with 2020 ed resources.

I agree. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Abe Froman said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Tim Simmons said:

well, no thats just me passing the time at my desk. 

Okey, that's swell.

So out of curiosity, discussing with someone kind of on the other side of the fence of things. 

Do you think the fanclub could unify for a cause, "opposing" the tenclub and/or the band if something was perceived as wrong like in my example of the "Sabotage" incident? Or do you think this tired state of "it s what it is", "we should be happy for what we get", and "just leave the fanclub then and I get a better number" has affected the fanbase enough to make the collective reach such a passive stage that it could not happen (anymore)?

You’re not painting the whole picture here bud. I’ve never said any of those quotes and have said it’s 10c mistake on singles. But they have given an update and I don’t need the same update every month. They are working on them and will deliver. My point being is many of us don’t think some of these things are a big deal at all. I especially don’t give a fuck if EV takes a jet to a gig. WE DONT KNOW THE DETAILS!  And we certainly don’t know how he  lives his life at home. And most definitely none of these things make me want to “unify” and “take a stand” against the band or 10c. In fact it’s kind of embarrassing. 

Why do you out of nowhere interject yourself into this discussion and starting calling people "bud"?I don't remember either I or Tim mentioning, including or having you in mind in any capacity.

And why are you crashing a discussion, between two other users -- making it about you and start to talk about this jet-thing when the discussion between the two users (not you) was removed from that specific topic?

Kurt Brutus Bacon

Spiritual_Chaos

Kurt Brutus Bacon said:

https://friendmatch.com

And then:

https://youtu.be/ERc-c7syEHA

nycrats

pulling69 said:. 

PS The band also uses a private jet to get between shows in the US, the crew takes buses. They have been doing that for years.

id reckon it’s jets with an s. They aren’t all hopping in one plane w their families. 

The rest of the band wasn’t invited to his wedding correct? I doubt they’d get asked to be on his plane. 

nycrats

Vedd Hedd said:

Ed is working with a company that is curbing emissions/carbon crediting.

This is 1995 ed with 2020 ed resources.

What about 2009 Ed working with target, how does that fit the scope?