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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    benjs said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 
    I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 
    I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

    The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 
    Yes, I agree that by the time we have a functional electronic version of a vaccine passport it will be primarily for travel outside of North America, but for that we’re likely to need it for years to come. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2021
    oftenreading said:
    benjs said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 
    I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 
    I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

    The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 
    Yes, I agree that by the time we have a functional electronic version of a vaccine passport it will be primarily for travel outside of North America, but for that we’re likely to need it for years to come. 
    I’m okay with needing vaccine passports to travel across borders…with Mexico and Canada alike.  No vaccine, no entry.  Not just for COVID either.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Meltdown99 said:
    Those of us along the border want if open…for fucks sacks our local NDP MP is fighting to get the border open..Only liberals want it closed …they’d be embarrassed by how many of us would hop over to get the vaccine.  Not to mention the mayors here want the border open…
    Last polling done that I can find showed that 52% or Canadians agree with opening the border sometime this summer, 27% “closer to the fall”, and 21% want it closed until the end of 2021. It did not cross-reference with voting patterns or level of embarrassment, to confirm your statement about “liberals” :lol: 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,586
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Those of us along the border want if open…for fucks sacks our local NDP MP is fighting to get the border open..Only liberals want it closed …they’d be embarrassed by how many of us would hop over to get the vaccine.  Not to mention the mayors here want the border open…
    Last polling done that I can find showed that 52% or Canadians agree with opening the border sometime this summer, 27% “closer to the fall”, and 21% want it closed until the end of 2021. It did not cross-reference with voting patterns or level of embarrassment, to confirm your statement about “liberals” :lol: 
    gee, I didn't see that coming. lol
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    benjs said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 
    I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 
    I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

    The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 
    Yes, I agree that by the time we have a functional electronic version of a vaccine passport it will be primarily for travel outside of North America, but for that we’re likely to need it for years to come. 
    I’m okay with needing vaccine passports to travel across borders…with Mexico and Canada alike.  No vaccine, no entry.  Not just for COVID either.
    Do you want other vaccinations added now, or are you speculating about future needs? 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2021
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    benjs said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 
    I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 
    I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

    The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 
    Yes, I agree that by the time we have a functional electronic version of a vaccine passport it will be primarily for travel outside of North America, but for that we’re likely to need it for years to come. 
    I’m okay with needing vaccine passports to travel across borders…with Mexico and Canada alike.  No vaccine, no entry.  Not just for COVID either.
    Do you want other vaccinations added now, or are you speculating about future needs? 
    I say now, make it a multi-vaccination card.  I’ll let the medical professionals decide which preventable sicknesses should be put on the list.  Maybe even give major insurance incentives or rewards to those that get their vaccines.  You would still have the right not to get them, but couldn’t cross borders or be eligible for incentives.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2021
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    Post edited by Spunkie on
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    Great news, HUGh!
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Those of us along the border want if open…for fucks sacks our local NDP MP is fighting to get the border open..Only liberals want it closed …they’d be embarrassed by how many of us would hop over to get the vaccine.  Not to mention the mayors here want the border open…
    Last polling done that I can find showed that 52% or Canadians agree with opening the border sometime this summer, 27% “closer to the fall”, and 21% want it closed until the end of 2021. It did not cross-reference with voting patterns or level of embarrassment, to confirm your statement about “liberals” :lol: 
    What party does the prime minister represent.  He is a liberal or not….hahahahehehe…because he’s the one keeping the land border closed…but hey it’s alright that the elitist and for some to travel via air travel… ;):s.  All you do is argue with people.  Feel free to stay clear of me…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Meltdown99 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Those of us along the border want if open…for fucks sacks our local NDP MP is fighting to get the border open..Only liberals want it closed …they’d be embarrassed by how many of us would hop over to get the vaccine.  Not to mention the mayors here want the border open…
    Last polling done that I can find showed that 52% or Canadians agree with opening the border sometime this summer, 27% “closer to the fall”, and 21% want it closed until the end of 2021. It did not cross-reference with voting patterns or level of embarrassment, to confirm your statement about “liberals” :lol: 
    What party does the prime minister represent.  He is a liberal or not….hahahahehehe…because he’s the one keeping the land border closed…but hey it’s alright that the elitist and for some to travel via air travel… ;):s.  All you do is argue with people.  Feel free to stay clear of me…
    Stay clear? No thanks. Someone has to correct the misinformation. 

    Yes, it’s the PM’s party keeping the border closed, so far with the strong approval of the Canadian population. For the majority of the pandemic, upwards of 75% of the population wanted the border closed. The data I posted is I think the first one that shows the population at about 50/50 for opening soon. Part of the job of  the party in heading government is to listen to the concerns of the population. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    benjs said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 
    I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 
    I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

    The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 
    Yes, I agree that by the time we have a functional electronic version of a vaccine passport it will be primarily for travel outside of North America, but for that we’re likely to need it for years to come. 
    I’m okay with needing vaccine passports to travel across borders…with Mexico and Canada alike.  No vaccine, no entry.  Not just for COVID either.
    Do you want other vaccinations added now, or are you speculating about future needs? 
    I say now, make it a multi-vaccination card.  I’ll let the medical professionals decide which preventable sicknesses should be put on the list.  Maybe even give major insurance incentives or rewards to those that get their vaccines.  You would still have the right not to get them, but couldn’t cross borders or be eligible for incentives.
    I’m not really seeing a big push to want other vaccines included at this point, mostly I think because there are few other infectious diseases that are relevant throughout the world that countries would want to insist on vaccination for. Maybe measles? Mostly because it’s so infectious. 

    The diseases for which vaccines are currently required for travel are mostly to protect the traveller, not the destination country. I wonder if tourist destinations would want others added that might lead to drops in tourism revenue without making their citizens significantly safer. 

    I guess the capacity for additional vaccines could be built in, but the more information you add, the greater the privacy risks. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Those of us along the border want if open…for fucks sacks our local NDP MP is fighting to get the border open..Only liberals want it closed …they’d be embarrassed by how many of us would hop over to get the vaccine.  Not to mention the mayors here want the border open…
    Last polling done that I can find showed that 52% or Canadians agree with opening the border sometime this summer, 27% “closer to the fall”, and 21% want it closed until the end of 2021. It did not cross-reference with voting patterns or level of embarrassment, to confirm your statement about “liberals” :lol: 
    What party does the prime minister represent.  He is a liberal or not….hahahahehehe…because he’s the one keeping the land border closed…but hey it’s alright that the elitist and for some to travel via air travel… ;):s.  All you do is argue with people.  Feel free to stay clear of me…
    Stay clear? No thanks. Someone has to correct the misinformation. 

    Yes, it’s the PM’s party keeping the border closed, so far with the strong approval of the Canadian population. For the majority of the pandemic, upwards of 75% of the population wanted the border closed. The data I posted is I think the first one that shows the population at about 50/50 for opening soon. Part of the job of  the party in heading government is to listen to the concerns of the population. 
    What misinformation…who is keeping the land border closed…your so full of shit.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    you should post your qualifications before you dispense medical advice?  You could be the Uber driver for drs. for all anyone knows, maybe the valet parking attendant…hehehehe
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2021
    Oftenreading….no need to post any qualifications for me….you’ve been posting and helping the entire time and if he’s not kidding, well then you don’t owe him anything. 
    Post edited by Kat on
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited June 2021
    cblock4life said:
    Oftenreading….no need to post any qualifications for me….you’ve been posting and helping the entire time and if he’s not kidding, well then you don’t owe him anything. 
    +1 
    Post edited by Kat on
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,923
    Im gonna agree here often  has posted medical fact the  whole pandemic all accurately 


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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,336
    edited June 2021
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    benjs said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 
    I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 
    I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

    The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 
    Yes, I agree that by the time we have a functional electronic version of a vaccine passport it will be primarily for travel outside of North America, but for that we’re likely to need it for years to come. 
    I’m okay with needing vaccine passports to travel across borders…with Mexico and Canada alike.  No vaccine, no entry.  Not just for COVID either.
    We are flying to England next Summer for the PJ shows. I expect we will have sort of vaccine passport requirement. I am flying to Colorado from St. Louis tomorrow, and plan on bringing proof of vaccination, even though they haven't said anything about needing it. I have a photo of my vaccination card stored on my phone.
    Post edited by JeBurkhardt on
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,586
    edited June 2021
    Meltdown99 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Those of us along the border want if open…for fucks sacks our local NDP MP is fighting to get the border open..Only liberals want it closed …they’d be embarrassed by how many of us would hop over to get the vaccine.  Not to mention the mayors here want the border open…
    Last polling done that I can find showed that 52% or Canadians agree with opening the border sometime this summer, 27% “closer to the fall”, and 21% want it closed until the end of 2021. It did not cross-reference with voting patterns or level of embarrassment, to confirm your statement about “liberals” :lol: 
    What party does the prime minister represent.  He is a liberal or not….hahahahehehe…because he’s the one keeping the land border closed…but hey it’s alright that the elitist and for some to travel via air travel… ;):s.  All you do is argue with people.  Feel free to stay clear of me…
    Stay clear? No thanks. Someone has to correct the misinformation. 

    Yes, it’s the PM’s party keeping the border closed, so far with the strong approval of the Canadian population. For the majority of the pandemic, upwards of 75% of the population wanted the border closed. The data I posted is I think the first one that shows the population at about 50/50 for opening soon. Part of the job of  the party in heading government is to listen to the concerns of the population. 
    What misinformation…who is keeping the land border closed…your so full of shit.  
    Meltdown99 said:
    you should post your qualifications before you dispense medical advice?  You could be the Uber driver for drs. for all anyone knows, maybe the valet parking attendant…hehehehe
    the misinformation you post pretty much every post because of your trudeau derangement syndrome. you said "only the liberals want it closed". false. 

    oftenreading posts information complete with links to the information provided to corroborate said info. no degree necessary. and you post "those of us along the border want if (sic) open". care to post a link to THAT info?

    and the "all you do is argue with people"?

    LAUGH. A. BLE.

    projection much?
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,526
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    benjs said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 
    I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 
    I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

    The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 
    Yes, I agree that by the time we have a functional electronic version of a vaccine passport it will be primarily for travel outside of North America, but for that we’re likely to need it for years to come. 
    I’m okay with needing vaccine passports to travel across borders…with Mexico and Canada alike.  No vaccine, no entry.  Not just for COVID either.
    We are flying to England next Summer for the PJ shows. I expect we will have sort of vaccine passport requirement. I am flying to Colorado from St. Louis tomorrow, and plan on bringing proof of vaccination, even though they haven't said anything about needing it. I have a photo of my vaccination card stored on my phone.
    Some places require that you get tested before you go if not vaccinated.
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,336
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    benjs said:
    PJNB said:
    oftenreading said:
    I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 
    I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 
    I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

    The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 
    Yes, I agree that by the time we have a functional electronic version of a vaccine passport it will be primarily for travel outside of North America, but for that we’re likely to need it for years to come. 
    I’m okay with needing vaccine passports to travel across borders…with Mexico and Canada alike.  No vaccine, no entry.  Not just for COVID either.
    We are flying to England next Summer for the PJ shows. I expect we will have sort of vaccine passport requirement. I am flying to Colorado from St. Louis tomorrow, and plan on bringing proof of vaccination, even though they haven't said anything about needing it. I have a photo of my vaccination card stored on my phone.
    Some places require that you get tested before you go if not vaccinated.
    Then it is a good thing I am vaccinated. One less thing to have to get figured out when travelling.
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