The coronavirus

Ledbetterman10

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Smellyman said:

Meltdown99 said:

Unvaccinated Buffalo Bills Player Blasts NFL COVID Protocols: “I’d Rather Die Actually Living”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/unvaccinated-cole-beasley-blasts-nfl-covid-protocols.html?via=rss

Cole Beasley is unsmart.

I wish these leagues would just deny them the right to play…why risk other players health?  

The other players are vaccinated, so they wouldn't be at much risk. 

I'm pretty firmly in the middle on the whole vaccine thing. To the people refusing to get it, I don't see what their big deal is about getting it. To the people mad at the people that are refusing it, I don't see a reason to care what they do if you've already gotten it. 

How about because every unvaccinated person is another potential reservoir for infection and mutation of the virus, which just keeps this pandemic going. 

Keeps it going for them...the unvaccinated. The pandemic is all but over for the vaccinated. 

That's incorrect and a naive view of viral mutation. The larger the potential reservoirs of infection, the greater the chance that the virus mutates to the point where existing vaccines are less effective or maybe even ineffective. We already know that this virus is highly prone to mutate. 

I guess I meant that as restrictions relating to the pandemic are all but over for the vaccinated. I understand that it's still out there and could mutate. But for me personally, and probably for most other vaccinated people, it doesn't feel as if we're in a pandemic anymore. 

It's also summer.  Shit could change in the fall/winter, especially if 40% of Americans insist on being idiots. 

Well let's hope that doesn't happen. Things are trending in a good direction right now, even with only about half of the country vaccinated. 

stuckinline

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Smellyman said:

Meltdown99 said:

Unvaccinated Buffalo Bills Player Blasts NFL COVID Protocols: “I’d Rather Die Actually Living”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/unvaccinated-cole-beasley-blasts-nfl-covid-protocols.html?via=rss

Cole Beasley is unsmart.

I wish these leagues would just deny them the right to play…why risk other players health?  

The other players are vaccinated, so they wouldn't be at much risk. 

I'm pretty firmly in the middle on the whole vaccine thing. To the people refusing to get it, I don't see what their big deal is about getting it. To the people mad at the people that are refusing it, I don't see a reason to care what they do if you've already gotten it. 

How about because every unvaccinated person is another potential reservoir for infection and mutation of the virus, which just keeps this pandemic going. 

Keeps it going for them...the unvaccinated. The pandemic is all but over for the vaccinated. 

That's incorrect and a naive view of viral mutation. The larger the potential reservoirs of infection, the greater the chance that the virus mutates to the point where existing vaccines are less effective or maybe even ineffective. We already know that this virus is highly prone to mutate. 

I guess I meant that as restrictions relating to the pandemic are all but over for the vaccinated. I understand that it's still out there and could mutate. But for me personally, and probably for most other vaccinated people, it doesn't feel as if we're in a pandemic anymore. 

I agree that it doesn't feel as if we are in a pandemic anymore, but there are still some restrictions relating to the pandemic. I am fully vaccinated, but still required to wear a mask and/or have my temperature taken to enter certain places.

23scidoo

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

Poncier said:

23scidoo said:

Have you made AZ and you want to see Springsteen??
No no no...

Actually its yes yes yes

SPRINGSTEEN ON BROADWAY Will Allow Guests Vaccinated With FDA or WHO Approved Vaccine (broadwayworld.com)

News change every day 🙂🙂

So... the news doesn't change every day where you are? Isn't that the definition of news, that it is 'new'?

The article i read was from Sunday.. the next day change their decision.. that's what i said.. news change..i nave zero problem to admit it..
I'm not a ostrich..

23scidoo

https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/who-is-peter-daszak-exec-who-sent-taxpayer-money-to-wuhan-lab/

Poncier

23scidoo said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

Poncier said:

23scidoo said:

Have you made AZ and you want to see Springsteen??
No no no...

Actually its yes yes yes

SPRINGSTEEN ON BROADWAY Will Allow Guests Vaccinated With FDA or WHO Approved Vaccine (broadwayworld.com)

News change every day 🙂🙂

So... the news doesn't change every day where you are? Isn't that the definition of news, that it is 'new'?

The article i read was from Sunday.. the next day change their decision.. that's what i said.. news change..i nave zero problem to admit it..
I'm not a ostrich..

The article I posted in response was from Saturday. 

PJNB

Border to Nova Scotia is still shut down from New Brunswick due too the highway being blocked from protesters with entry restrictions added to Nbers at the last minute with the Atlantic bubble. Rankin really pissed off a lot of people over here and on his side. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/border-restrictions-protest-transcanada-wednesday-1.6076442

PJPOWER

PJNB said:

Border to Nova Scotia is still shut down from New Brunswick due too the highway being blocked from protesters with entry restrictions added to Nbers at the last minute with the Atlantic bubble. Rankin really pissed off a lot of people over here and on his side. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/border-restrictions-protest-transcanada-wednesday-1.6076442

Hasn’t blocking roadways to protest this or that become standard practice?  Maybe just in the USA?

Meltdown99

PJNB said:

Border to Nova Scotia is still shut down from New Brunswick due too the highway being blocked from protesters with entry restrictions added to Nbers at the last minute with the Atlantic bubble. Rankin really pissed off a lot of people over here and on his side. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/border-restrictions-protest-transcanada-wednesday-1.6076442

They are blocking the road because they have to quarantine upon re-entry to NS.  Good for them…this is part of the reason their is vaccine hesitancy…people who are likely double vaccinated still have to get test and quarantine…when does it end?  This virus is going nowhere.   

PJNB

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

Border to Nova Scotia is still shut down from New Brunswick due too the highway being blocked from protesters with entry restrictions added to Nbers at the last minute with the Atlantic bubble. Rankin really pissed off a lot of people over here and on his side. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/border-restrictions-protest-transcanada-wednesday-1.6076442

Hasn’t blocking roadways to protest this or that become standard practice?  Maybe just in the USA?

I think in other parts of Canada it has happened but NS is a unique province since it is a peninsula and there is only one way in and out if you do not count the ferry from Saint John. This has stopped all transport of goods and services to and from NS for the time being and is unheard of for this area. 

The NS premiere is upset that NB is allowing other Canadians who are vaxxed into our province and putting restrictions on us because of it. 

PJPOWER

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

PJNB said:

Border to Nova Scotia is still shut down from New Brunswick due too the highway being blocked from protesters with entry restrictions added to Nbers at the last minute with the Atlantic bubble. Rankin really pissed off a lot of people over here and on his side. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/border-restrictions-protest-transcanada-wednesday-1.6076442

Hasn’t blocking roadways to protest this or that become standard practice?  Maybe just in the USA?

I think in other parts of Canada it has happened but NS is a unique province since it is a peninsula and there is only one way in and out if you do not count the ferry from Saint John. This has stopped all transport of goods and services to and from NS for the time being and is unheard of for this area. 

The NS premiere is upset that NB is allowing other Canadians who are vaxxed into our province and putting restrictions on us because of it. 

That sucks…..

mickeyrat

 

Coronavirus vaccine Springfield Coronavirus pandemic

Unvaccinated Missourians fuel COVID: 'We will be the canary'

By HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH

Today

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — As the U.S. emerges from the COVID-19 crisis, Missouri is becoming a cautionary tale for the rest of the country: It is seeing an alarming rise in cases because of a combination of the fast-spreading delta variant and stubborn resistance among many people to getting vaccinated.

Intensive care beds are filling up with surprisingly young, unvaccinated patients, and staff members are getting burned out fighting a battle that was supposed to be in its final throes.

The hope among some health leaders is that the rest of the U.S. might at least learn something from Missouri's plight.

“If people elsewhere in the country are looking to us and saying, ‘No thanks' and they are getting vaccinated, that is good," said Erik Frederick, chief administrative officer at Mercy Hospital Springfield, which has been inundated with COVID-19 patients as the variant first identified in India rips through the largely non-immunized community. “We will be the canary.”

The state now leads the nation with the highest rate of new COVID-19 infections, and the surge is happening largely in a politically conservative farming region in the northern part of the state and in the southwestern corner, which includes Springfield and Branson, the country music mecca in the Ozark Mountains where big crowds are gathering again at the city's theaters and other attractions.

While over 53% of all Americans have received at least one shot, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, most southern and northern Missouri counties are well short of 40%. One county is at just 13%.

Cases remain below their winter highs in southwestern Missouri, but the trajectory is steeper than in previous surges, Frederick said. As of Tuesday, 153 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized at Mercy and another Springfield hospital, Cox Health, up from 31 just over a month ago, county figures show.

These patients are also younger than earlier in the pandemic — 60% to 65% of those in the ICU over the weekend at Mercy were under 40, according to Frederick, who noted that younger adults are much less likely to be vaccinated — and some are pregnant.

He is hiring traveling nurses and respiratory therapists to help out his fatigued staff as the rest of the country tries to leave the pandemic behind.

“I feel like last year at this time it was health care heroes and everybody was celebrating and bringing food to the hospital and doing prayer vigils and stuff, and now everyone is like, ‘The lake is open. Let’s go.' We are still here doing this," he said.

There are also warning signs across the state line: Arkansas on Tuesday reported its biggest one-day jump in cases in more than three months. The state also has low vaccination rates.

Lagging rates — especially among young adults — are becoming an increasing source of concern elsewhere around the country, as is the delta variant.

The mutant version now accounts more than 20% of new COVID-19 infections in the U.S., doubling in just two weeks, the CDC said Tuesday. It is responsible for half of new cases across a swath that includes Missouri, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming.

“The delta variant is currently the greatest threat in the U.S. to our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert. He said there is a “real danger” of local surges like the one in Missouri in places with deep vaccine resistance.

To help counter the threat, administration officials are stepping up efforts to vaccinate Americans ages 18 to 26, who have proved least likely to get the shot when it’s available to them.

Elsewhere around the world, Britain, with an even higher vaccination rate than the U.S., has postponed the lifting of remaining restrictions on socializing in England because of the rapid spread of the variant. Israel, another vaccination success story, is reacting by tightening rules on travelers.

In Missouri, Republican Gov. Mike Parson has taken the position that it is better to ask people to take “personal responsibility" than to enact restrictions.

Missouri never had a mask mandate, and Parson signed a law last week placing limits on public health restrictions and barring governments from requiring proof of vaccination to use public facilities and transportation.

Missouri Health Department spokeswoman Lisa Cox said the agency is encouraging people to get vaccinated, but confessed: “This is the Show-Me State and Missourians are skeptical.”

Frederick said some people in the heavily Republican state are resistant because they feel as if Democrats are pushing the vaccine.

“I keep telling people, while we are busy fighting with each other, this thing is picking us off one by one,” he said. “It takes no sides. It has no political affiliation. It is not red. It is not blue. It is a virus. And if we don’t protect ourselves, we are going to do a lot of damage to our community.”

Steve Edwards, CEO of Cox Health, lamented in a tweet that while a number of major news organizations have contacted the hospital about the rise in cases, Fox News was not among them.

“Fox," he tweeted, “is the most popular cable news in our area — you can help educate on Delta, vaccines and can save lives."

Lisa Meeks, 49, of Springfield, is among those who haven't been vaccinated. She said that she is a Christian and that God gave her a strong immune system.

“As of right now, nobody knows anything long term or short term about these vaccines because they are brand new," she said, despite months of real-world evidence that the vaccines are highly safe and effective. “And so people are now basically the lab rats."

An offer of free beer from Mother's Brewing Co. in Springfield for those who get vaccinated drew a disappointing 20 to 50 people to each of the first three clinics.

“We keep trying,” said Jeff Schrag, owner and founder of Mother’s Brewing. “It is a game of inches.”

As immunizations slow, the delta variant has become the predominant form of the virus in the region. Aaron Schekorra, a spokesman for the Springfield-Greene County Health Department, said it makes up 93% of the random sample of cases that the county is sending for analysis, up from 70% three weeks ago.

He said that unvaccinated people gathering for graduation celebrations and Memorial Day festivities also fueled the spread of the virus. The events came just as the community lifted its mask mandate.

“My concern," he said, “would be that this is a preview of what is to come in other parts of the country that don’t have higher vaccination rates."

HughFreakingDillon

let the inbreds "freedumb" their way into oblivion. fucking morons. 

oftenreading

mickeyrat said:

 

Coronavirus vaccine Springfield Coronavirus pandemic

Unvaccinated Missourians fuel COVID: 'We will be the canary'

By HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH

Today

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — As the U.S. emerges from the COVID-19 crisis, Missouri is becoming a cautionary tale for the rest of the country: It is seeing an alarming rise in cases because of a combination of the fast-spreading delta variant and stubborn resistance among many people to getting vaccinated.

Intensive care beds are filling up with surprisingly young, unvaccinated patients, and staff members are getting burned out fighting a battle that was supposed to be in its final throes.

The hope among some health leaders is that the rest of the U.S. might at least learn something from Missouri's plight.

“If people elsewhere in the country are looking to us and saying, ‘No thanks' and they are getting vaccinated, that is good," said Erik Frederick, chief administrative officer at Mercy Hospital Springfield, which has been inundated with COVID-19 patients as the variant first identified in India rips through the largely non-immunized community. “We will be the canary.”

The state now leads the nation with the highest rate of new COVID-19 infections, and the surge is happening largely in a politically conservative farming region in the northern part of the state and in the southwestern corner, which includes Springfield and Branson, the country music mecca in the Ozark Mountains where big crowds are gathering again at the city's theaters and other attractions.

While over 53% of all Americans have received at least one shot, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, most southern and northern Missouri counties are well short of 40%. One county is at just 13%.

Cases remain below their winter highs in southwestern Missouri, but the trajectory is steeper than in previous surges, Frederick said. As of Tuesday, 153 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized at Mercy and another Springfield hospital, Cox Health, up from 31 just over a month ago, county figures show.

These patients are also younger than earlier in the pandemic — 60% to 65% of those in the ICU over the weekend at Mercy were under 40, according to Frederick, who noted that younger adults are much less likely to be vaccinated — and some are pregnant.

He is hiring traveling nurses and respiratory therapists to help out his fatigued staff as the rest of the country tries to leave the pandemic behind.

“I feel like last year at this time it was health care heroes and everybody was celebrating and bringing food to the hospital and doing prayer vigils and stuff, and now everyone is like, ‘The lake is open. Let’s go.' We are still here doing this," he said.

There are also warning signs across the state line: Arkansas on Tuesday reported its biggest one-day jump in cases in more than three months. The state also has low vaccination rates.

Lagging rates — especially among young adults — are becoming an increasing source of concern elsewhere around the country, as is the delta variant.

The mutant version now accounts more than 20% of new COVID-19 infections in the U.S., doubling in just two weeks, the CDC said Tuesday. It is responsible for half of new cases across a swath that includes Missouri, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming.

“The delta variant is currently the greatest threat in the U.S. to our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert. He said there is a “real danger” of local surges like the one in Missouri in places with deep vaccine resistance.

To help counter the threat, administration officials are stepping up efforts to vaccinate Americans ages 18 to 26, who have proved least likely to get the shot when it’s available to them.

Elsewhere around the world, Britain, with an even higher vaccination rate than the U.S., has postponed the lifting of remaining restrictions on socializing in England because of the rapid spread of the variant. Israel, another vaccination success story, is reacting by tightening rules on travelers.

In Missouri, Republican Gov. Mike Parson has taken the position that it is better to ask people to take “personal responsibility" than to enact restrictions.

Missouri never had a mask mandate, and Parson signed a law last week placing limits on public health restrictions and barring governments from requiring proof of vaccination to use public facilities and transportation.

Missouri Health Department spokeswoman Lisa Cox said the agency is encouraging people to get vaccinated, but confessed: “This is the Show-Me State and Missourians are skeptical.”

Frederick said some people in the heavily Republican state are resistant because they feel as if Democrats are pushing the vaccine.

“I keep telling people, while we are busy fighting with each other, this thing is picking us off one by one,” he said. “It takes no sides. It has no political affiliation. It is not red. It is not blue. It is a virus. And if we don’t protect ourselves, we are going to do a lot of damage to our community.”

Steve Edwards, CEO of Cox Health, lamented in a tweet that while a number of major news organizations have contacted the hospital about the rise in cases, Fox News was not among them.

“Fox," he tweeted, “is the most popular cable news in our area — you can help educate on Delta, vaccines and can save lives."

Lisa Meeks, 49, of Springfield, is among those who haven't been vaccinated. She said that she is a Christian and that God gave her a strong immune system.

“As of right now, nobody knows anything long term or short term about these vaccines because they are brand new," she said, despite months of real-world evidence that the vaccines are highly safe and effective. “And so people are now basically the lab rats."

An offer of free beer from Mother's Brewing Co. in Springfield for those who get vaccinated drew a disappointing 20 to 50 people to each of the first three clinics.

“We keep trying,” said Jeff Schrag, owner and founder of Mother’s Brewing. “It is a game of inches.”

As immunizations slow, the delta variant has become the predominant form of the virus in the region. Aaron Schekorra, a spokesman for the Springfield-Greene County Health Department, said it makes up 93% of the random sample of cases that the county is sending for analysis, up from 70% three weeks ago.

He said that unvaccinated people gathering for graduation celebrations and Memorial Day festivities also fueled the spread of the virus. The events came just as the community lifted its mask mandate.

“My concern," he said, “would be that this is a preview of what is to come in other parts of the country that don’t have higher vaccination rates."

How is that “personal responsibility” working out, Gov Parson?

oftenreading

I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 

PJNB

oftenreading said:

I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 

I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 

Meltdown99

Those of us along the border want if open…for fucks sacks our local NDP MP is fighting to get the border open..Only liberals want it closed …they’d be embarrassed by how many of us would hop over to get the vaccine.  Not to mention the mayors here want the border open…

benjs

PJNB said:

oftenreading said:

I keep seeing articles about the US pushing to have the border with Canada open. Lots of talk about business and tourism organizations being outraged that it’s still closed. Most of the articles are from American media, some are from Canadian media, but what they are missing is that overwhelmingly Canadians have not been wanting the border freely opened, and even now the majority  of Canadians don’t want it opened yet, though people are warming up to the idea of an opening later this summer. We’re doing well with vaccinations and case numbers and we don’t want that screwed up. 

I am at the point that if you are double vaxxed you should be able to freely travel as you please on either side of the border. The problem is though how easy it is to forge the documents. That new app coming out for Canada on July 5th will do a better job of it and when they finally unveil the vaccine passport in the fall will we even need to be showing it at that point? I doubt it at the pace of reopening we are going. 

I think the concern isn't regional, but more international. The vaccine passport, in order to be effective, would probably have to be subject to a person's place of origin, destination, and vaccination (place of origin and destination for the off-chance that a new localized variant is not yet proven to be treated by the primary vaccines distributed to the citizens of the destination). And then, what if the vaccinations passed health regulations in one country but not in the other - is that still deemed a valid vaccination?

The more I think about it, the more I think a vaccine passport is necessary for out-of-country travel based on challenges like the ones above, but not much else. 

mickeyrat

a record of vaccine for me is held at the hospital system I was vaxxed at, our local health dept, the state health dept, and the cdc has this as well.

this includes the maker, its batch info, the date of each shot etc... 

patient chart app reflects the basics, maker and the dates of injection.

and finally the vax card. which has a sticker from the vials, the dates of injection, etc

HughFreakingDillon

restrictions loosening starting this saturday, finally. 

PJNB

HughFreakingDillon said:

restrictions loosening starting this saturday, finally. 

Saw that and thought of you! Congrats!