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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My 17 year old daughter got vax number 1 today, so far so good. My twelve year old sons will all be getting their first shot in the next two weeks.  

    what informed your decision? you were hesitant a couple weeks ago.
    Honestly bud, just trust in the science.  
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,594
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My 17 year old daughter got vax number 1 today, so far so good. My twelve year old sons will all be getting their first shot in the next two weeks.  

    what informed your decision? you were hesitant a couple weeks ago.
    Honestly bud, just trust in the science.  

    fair enough. Moderna came out today or yesterday saying 100% effective for this age group. Pfizer was at or near that as well.


    I would say as a first run of widespread use of MRna vax, its been a pretty big success given how much is left to learn about C-19.
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
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    BC members I am sure you have heard by now but return to normal has a date for you guys. September 7th all restrictions maybe lifted if certain requirements are met. 


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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited May 2021
    ^Yes, we're moving towards Weston's mindset of we've got the vax, nothing left but to re-open. Thanks for paving the way, USA! 

    OnWise, we do have a big gap before the second dose due to limited supply. Fortunately, data favoured us as protection lasts longer than the interval between the recommended dosing. With one dose, our likelihood of severe illness is modelled at 80% (real values are closer to 90%). And we are 60% less likely to catch it. Some provinces are moving up the second doses, such as QC. Much of this info is in this thread.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    OnWis97 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Canada has only fully vaccinated about 4.5 percent of us

    This man was in charge of procurement 

    This is the prime minister…don’t know where it all went wrong..but i suspect the clues are in this picture.  In case you didn’t know our prime minister is white…

    Third in the G20 in terms of doses given per capita.  Close to the top 10 in terms of percentage of population given first doses in the world. Every adult who wishes vaccination expected to have their first dose by early June and second dose by mid-September. 

    Time to stop pretending that the vaccination program isn’t going well just because you hate Trudeau. 
    That seems weird. Does that mean the average person is going to have a three-month gap?

    There has been a lot of discussion on this in this thread so far which I won't repeat. This is the short form:

    1. In February, in the face of limited vaccine supply, Canada made the decision to prioritize first vaccinations for as many people as possible as quickly as possible rather than both shots for half the number. This was based on emerging data on the solid protection offered by one dose (around 80%) and basic immunological principles that suggested it would be beneficial.

    2. Since then, there has been a lot more data proving the benefits. First dose provides high level of protection for as long has has been tested so far for almost everyone, and delaying the second dose leads to an increase in antibody levels compared to providing second dose as per manufacturer's recommendations. This is because the vaccine manufacturers were not basing their intervals on science, they were basing it on convenience and getting a product to market as soon as possible. And so...

    3. With the percentage of the population (entire population, not adult population) having had at least a first dose over 52% we're seeing cases dropping almost everywhere. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    New covid cases in Canada have dropped 72% from their peak earlier this year and many provinces are announcing phased reopenings. Unfortunately, Manitoba continues to struggle with high case loads. 

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    edited May 2021
    Meltdown99 said:
    Canada has only fully vaccinated about 4.5 percent of us

    This man was in charge of procurement 

    This is the prime minister…don’t know where it all went wrong..but i suspect the clues are in this picture.  In case you didn’t know our prime minister is white…

    I don't know when this image was taken, but I doubt it was at the same time he was involved in vaccinating the canadian people.

    14,8% fully vaccinated in Sweden. Don't know if that is good or not. Sounds low.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    US is 50% adult fully vaxed.  That feels pretty solid.  I really like the 5 lottery drawings that Ohio is offering, a million each to induce vaxes.  Really great idea by a Republican Gov that has managed the pandemic very well.  I think the under 18 population vax levels will be very high.  There's a strange cultural thing happening where teens are pressuring each other to get it done and it's a point of pride. Good for them. 
  • Ledbetterman10
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    mrussel1 said:
     I really like the 5 lottery drawings that Ohio is offering, a million each to induce vaxes. 
    I, on the other hand, can't even put into words how much I hate this. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Canada has only fully vaccinated about 4.5 percent of us

    This man was in charge of procurement 

    This is the prime minister…don’t know where it all went wrong..but i suspect the clues are in this picture.  In case you didn’t know our prime minister is white…

    I don't know when this image was taken, but I doubt it was at the same time he was involved in vaccinating the canadian people.

    14,8% fully vaccinated in Sweden. Don't know if that is good or not. Sounds low.
    Here's a link you might want to check out, listing vaccination status for all countries. Sweden has delivered 46 doses per 100 people, and is at 35% of the population with 1 shot and 15% with two.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

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  • mickeyrat
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    mrussel1 said:
    US is 50% adult fully vaxed.  That feels pretty solid.  I really like the 5 lottery drawings that Ohio is offering, a million each to induce vaxes.  Really great idea by a Republican Gov that has managed the pandemic very well.  I think the under 18 population vax levels will be very high.  There's a strange cultural thing happening where teens are pressuring each other to get it done and it's a point of pride. Good for them. 

    ohio also is offering 5 full ride scholarships along with mil drawings
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mrussel1 said:
    US is 50% adult fully vaxed.  That feels pretty solid.  I really like the 5 lottery drawings that Ohio is offering, a million each to induce vaxes.  Really great idea by a Republican Gov that has managed the pandemic very well.  I think the under 18 population vax levels will be very high.  There's a strange cultural thing happening where teens are pressuring each other to get it done and it's a point of pride. Good for them. 

    As per the NYT table, 50% first dosed and 40% fully vaccinated of the total population (yes, I know you specified "adult"). Getting there but not where it needs to be. I'm also glad that teens seem to be taking up the vaccines in high numbers, since they are a potential reservoir of infection. Fingers crossed that the data in under-12s looks good and we can see kids vaccinated soon. 

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
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  • Poncier
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    mrussel1 said:
     I think the under 18 population vax levels will be very high.  There's a strange cultural thing happening where teens are pressuring each other to get it done and it's a point of pride. Good for them. 
    From what I've seen, teenagers are handling this thing far better than a lot of adults.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,617
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
     I think the under 18 population vax levels will be very high.  There's a strange cultural thing happening where teens are pressuring each other to get it done and it's a point of pride. Good for them. 
    From what I've seen, teenagers are handling this thing far better than a lot of adults.
    Regardless of background and left/right, I'd guess teenagers are far less likely to be watching/reading shit that that radicalizes them into "own the libs above all" mode. Also, the impact of distancing is probably worse for them then it is us old folks, so they're probably doing all they can to end this. I don't think any of them want the pandemic to go on for a long time (whereas I think the OAN-watchers actually kind of do).

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Good luck, 'Murica. From Letter from an American:

    As of today, 50% of adult Americans are fully vaccinated against Covid-19, and on May 24th, the seven-day average of new cases was the lowest it has been at any point since last June. But those numbers are driven by the vaccinated part of the population. Among those who are unvaccinated, the rate of disease and death is estimated to be as high as it was in late January. 
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  • dankind
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Good luck, 'Murica. From Letter from an American:

    As of today, 50% of adult Americans are fully vaccinated against Covid-19, and on May 24th, the seven-day average of new cases was the lowest it has been at any point since last June. But those numbers are driven by the vaccinated part of the population. Among those who are unvaccinated, the rate of disease and death is estimated to be as high as it was in late January. 
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  • mrussel1
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
     I really like the 5 lottery drawings that Ohio is offering, a million each to induce vaxes. 
    I, on the other hand, can't even put into words how much I hate this. 
    Why?  According to Dewine, vaccines spiked 45% since he announced it.  Shots to young people spiked 90+% with the 15 full rides.  This seems like the best use of $5MM that I could think of. 
  • mrussel1
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    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    US is 50% adult fully vaxed.  That feels pretty solid.  I really like the 5 lottery drawings that Ohio is offering, a million each to induce vaxes.  Really great idea by a Republican Gov that has managed the pandemic very well.  I think the under 18 population vax levels will be very high.  There's a strange cultural thing happening where teens are pressuring each other to get it done and it's a point of pride. Good for them. 

    As per the NYT table, 50% first dosed and 40% fully vaccinated of the total population (yes, I know you specified "adult"). Getting there but not where it needs to be. I'm also glad that teens seem to be taking up the vaccines in high numbers, since they are a potential reservoir of infection. Fingers crossed that the data in under-12s looks good and we can see kids vaccinated soon. 

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
    Yes, getting there.  I don't know if it will get much over 60% adult population...maybe 65% but I'd like to be surprised.  I feel good though personally.  I traveled last week and did several social events/dinners for work.  I feel great.  Almost everyone I talked to was vaccinated.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
     I really like the 5 lottery drawings that Ohio is offering, a million each to induce vaxes. 
    I, on the other hand, can't even put into words how much I hate this. 
    Why?  According to Dewine, vaccines spiked 45% since he announced it.  Shots to young people spiked 90+% with the 15 full rides.  This seems like the best use of $5MM that I could think of. 
    i'm on the fence about paying people to buy into public health. and the implications of it. won't that just fuel the anti-vaxxer movement even further? like enticing a mouse into a trap with cheese. 
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  • mrussel1
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
     I really like the 5 lottery drawings that Ohio is offering, a million each to induce vaxes. 
    I, on the other hand, can't even put into words how much I hate this. 
    Why?  According to Dewine, vaccines spiked 45% since he announced it.  Shots to young people spiked 90+% with the 15 full rides.  This seems like the best use of $5MM that I could think of. 
    i'm on the fence about paying people to buy into public health. and the implications of it. won't that just fuel the anti-vaxxer movement even further? like enticing a mouse into a trap with cheese. 
    I think it pulls the straddlers off the fence.  The people who say... yeah I'll probably get it at some point.  Anti-vaxxers are unreachable.  This goes after the people that haven't prioritized it. 
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