The coronavirus

gvn2fly1421

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

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mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

oftenreading said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

Looking at cases at any single point in time to argue against lockdowns is pointless, given the time lag between when lockdowns and reopenings start and when we see cases go down or up. What matters is the trends over time related to these activities, and we have good evidence that lockdowns are effective to reduce cases where they are properly implemented  and where people obey them. 

Lockdowns are effective to reduce cases.  Lockdowns are also effective at delaying the inevitable.  The virus is gonna virus.

At one point do you end the lockdown?  If you told every person in America that if you locked down for a month the virus would be gone and life would be back to normal, every single person would jump at that.  I know I would.  The problem is, viruses are not on that same schedule.  So at what point does the costs of lockdowns outweight the costs of reaching herd immunity?

You may not have heard,  but there's a 94% effective vaccine out there.  

You may not have heard, there is a 99%* survivable virus out there.

*For most healthy people.

For most healthy people... we have an aging population and co morbidity. That's why there are a half million dead.  Stop minimizing that very important fact.  All lives matter... remember?

I hesitate to even respond because I do not want to derail what I feel like has been good discussion, but do not lump me in with other Republicans that you see on tv or other stuff.  The All Live Matter jab at the end was unnecessary.  When did I ever say that? 

As I have stated in the past, I did not vote for that glorious orange bastard in 2016, but I did in 2020.  I try to get information from all sides and form an opinion off of that.  I believe women should be allowed to have an abortion.  I believe in stricter gun laws.  ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTELY!

One of my broader points throughout coming here is that if you cannot look at BOTH sides of the political landscape in America and laugh at the absurdity, you are too far gone.

OK, please do not derail off of that post...  Back to covid...

You're focused on the throw away line.  The point still stands which you didn't address.  It's true that mortality rate is very low for people that are young and without co-morbidities.  But that's not the whole country as evidenced by the half million dead.  The 95% vaccine effectiveness is a number that plays out across the health spectrum, whereas your 99% number is only for the very healthy.  So focusing on the healthy shows a blatant disregard for a good chunk of our citizens and neighbors. 

And that's where this whole thing gets really, really difficult to deal with.  

Several have mentioned the vaccine as the "getting back to normal" point, my only concern with that is the language that the health community and the MSM is using around the vaccine (may not protect against variants, still have to mask, still have to distance, cannot travel, etc.) is a terrible message to send to get people back to normal and want to take the vaccine.  What incentive does a healthy adult have to take the vaccine?

There's a difference between the science of virology and social health policy.  Social health policy dictates to continue to distance and mask because a minority of Americans (or maybe just 50%) have been immunized.  If you tell people, once you are vaccinated, no need to do anything different, you'll have people who are NOT vaccinated start doing the same.  So it's a safety first approach.  

But you continue to avoid other points that I have raised and go onto something else.  Everyone see the goal posts moving consistently here.  Going back to what I believe your core point was, that we should have gone to herd immunity as a strategy.  The one country that had that as a strategy was Sweden, and they had higher infection and mortality rates than neighboring Scandinavian countries.  It has been a failure.  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-prageru-sweden-herd-immunit/fact-check-sweden-has-not-achieved-herd-immunity-is-not-proof-that-lockdowns-are-useless-idUSKBN28C2R7

The point you raised in the post I replied to mentioned vaccine effectiveness.  I drew the conclusion that you think the vaccine is the way out.  I replied to that.

I went and looked at Sweden's numbers on google and they don't look awful.  More people have gotten the virus and more people have died, but the percentage of people who get the virus and survive are close when compared to Norway and Finland.  I have no idea how each country handled the virus, let me just get that out there before I am asked.  Would anyone care to enlighten me?

What other points can I offer an opinion to that I have missed?  I try to respond to any posts directed me as honest as I can.

Sweden's infection rates are far worse than their Scandinavian counterparts.  Death rates, as I said earlier, are not about masks or social distancing.  Why do you think those things are connected?  Death is an outcome based on co-morbidities, availability of healthcare, and age of the infected.  Why would you expect a dramatically different death rate amongst three Scando countries that have similar demographics and healthcare systems?

The go to number that everyone seems to go to is deaths.  That is why I use death rates.  All of them are around 1%.  So if we have learned anything from looking at New Zealand, Sweden, New Brunswick, the US, etc., we have learned that cases are going to happen, virus gonna virus, no matter what is done.  It seems the path we are on now is a path to having this linger for years.

It's 2%.. but let's extrapolate your theory.  Most virologists say you need 70-85% infection rate to achieve herd immunity.  So taking the middle, let's take 77.5% of the world had to be infected, and 2% of the cases ended in fatalities.  That means for the 7.9 billion humans, we would have 6.1 billion cases.  And that would lead to 122 million deaths. That would be compared to the current death count of 2.9 million.

Let that sink in.  122 million deaths under your strategy.  As another comparative, a measly 75 million people died in WW2.  The Influenza outbreak of 1919/20 was 50 million.  

So bottom line, it's hard to agree with your theory or your statement that "virus gonna virus, no matter what".  

Not to really muddy the waters, and not to move the goal posts which I know I will get accused of, in the scenario you play out, how many of those deaths do you truly think are caused by Covid?  I have posted several articles, videos, etc in the past of how Covid deaths are classified.  Here is an example from IL...  https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

The CDC itself just reviewed tons of death certificates and questioned the true death toll...  See for yourself here...  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm

For 6% of the deaths, covid was the only cause listed.  Could the true death toll be closer to 30,000 opposed to 500,000?  

From the article from the CDC you just posted, in the summary section:

 "Among 378,048 death certificates from 2020 listing COVID-19, 5.5% listed COVID-19 without codes for any other conditions. Among 357,133 death certificates with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occurring diagnosis of a plausible chain-of-event condition (e.g., pneumonia or respiratory failure), or a significant contributing condition (e.g., hypertension or diabetes), or both." 

That's not "questioning the true death toll" - the above paragraph doesn't suggest at all what you're stating. What has been said about this virus from day one is that immunocompromised individuals are at substantially heightened risk. It should be fairly obvious based on that fact (shared over a year ago now) that you'd expect more fatalities to be linked with contributing conditions - and it certainly doesn't mean any fatalities with co-morbidities are somehow 'invalid' CoVID-19 deaths. Show some meaningful numbers instead of bullshit anecdotes if you intend to convince anyone here. If your claim is that the CDC has overstated the fatalities by 94% because co-morbidities are a myth - I truly don't know what to say other than that's moronic.

I give you credit for trying. The problem is Trump kicked a rock, and all the crazy people who hid beneath it and kept to themselves in the dark are now emboldened, and they ain’t going away

The dude literally said no matter what is done the virus is gonna virus, and PUT THE USA IN THE SAME BUCKET AS NZ.

NZ LITERALLY HAS ZERO DOMESTIC CASES. ZERO.

What does NZ do when there is community spread? They lock down immediately for a few days to eradicate the virus as science says should be done AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO LIVING THEIR NORMAL LIVES WITH EVERYTHING OPEN.

Sorry for shouting, but with these people it’s the same thing with everything with these trumpsters, the trump terrorists didn’t invade the capitol and kill a cop, trump didn’t collide with Russia or Ukraine, and either covid ain’t deadly or if it is, nothing can be done about it.

Murica is screwed. Enjoy normal life, New Zelanders!

Again, when did I compare New Zealand to America?  The question was asked, how would you handle Covid and several responded and mentioned New Zealand.  I know New Zealand locked down but nobody could give me any idea what that looked like.  You need to google again how many cases New Zealand has.  They reported their most in 4 months yesterday.  To say I put the US and New Zealand in the “same bucket” is flat out crazy.

How would you handle it since you seem to know all the answers?  I find it hard to believe that once the virus is found we lock down hard for several days and that will erase it, especially seeing how New Zealand is not at Zero Covid.  

Most here are ok and will engage in nice debate, but some of y’all are flat out crazy.  Please, show me on this doll where Trump touched you?  Relax man, life will go on and it will be ok.

And oh yeah, virus is gonna virus!

Halifax2TheMax

gvn2fly1421 said:

josevolution said:

jerparker20 said:

Been hunting around for a shot here in the Twin Cities. Nothing. Out of curiosity, I checked some of the rural areas. You know the places where people pissed and moaned about their “freedoms” being taken away and the governor being a dictator, and refusing to wear masks. Those areas all have shots available. Like a lot. Like you can pick and choose appointment day/times a lot. Fuckers.

You can’t make it up the shots are in abundance in areas where those folks are refusing the vaccine because they believe the government will keep track of them as if they are so important or are afraid they won’t be able to have kids even though they can’t afford a dentist visit 🤣🤣🤣

When I have ever said anything about the government tracking me?  I have never seen anything like that, period.  Do you guys just make this stuff up?  I feel like the only sane one in here questioning a rushed vaccine that no one has any idea what it will do to you for a virus that is very survivable.

You claim a “rushed” vaccine. Do you know the length of time, in years, that mRNA research has been conducted? Do you know the process by which the vaccine has been reviewed? Do you know the current data set of live subjects that science has the opportunity to study of covid vaccine recipients? Do you know the current data set of live subjects of vaccine recipients in general? Or would it be easier for you to explain why you believe the covid vaccine was “rushed?” 

5 questions but I expect a dodge, a deflection and absolutely no answers.

josevolution

Halifax2TheMax said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

josevolution said:

jerparker20 said:

Been hunting around for a shot here in the Twin Cities. Nothing. Out of curiosity, I checked some of the rural areas. You know the places where people pissed and moaned about their “freedoms” being taken away and the governor being a dictator, and refusing to wear masks. Those areas all have shots available. Like a lot. Like you can pick and choose appointment day/times a lot. Fuckers.

You can’t make it up the shots are in abundance in areas where those folks are refusing the vaccine because they believe the government will keep track of them as if they are so important or are afraid they won’t be able to have kids even though they can’t afford a dentist visit 🤣🤣🤣

When I have ever said anything about the government tracking me?  I have never seen anything like that, period.  Do you guys just make this stuff up?  I feel like the only sane one in here questioning a rushed vaccine that no one has any idea what it will do to you for a virus that is very survivable.

You claim a “rushed” vaccine. Do you know the length of time, in years, that mRNA research has been conducted? Do you know the process by which the vaccine has been reviewed? Do you know the current data set of live subjects that science has the opportunity to study of covid vaccine recipients? Do you know the current data set of live subjects of vaccine recipients in general? Or would it be easier for you to explain why you believe the covid vaccine was “rushed?” 

5 questions but I expect a dodge, a deflection and absolutely no answers.

He/she hasn’t a clue they get their info from some dude in their basement like Q 

josevolution

gvn2fly1421 said:

josevolution said:

jerparker20 said:

Been hunting around for a shot here in the Twin Cities. Nothing. Out of curiosity, I checked some of the rural areas. You know the places where people pissed and moaned about their “freedoms” being taken away and the governor being a dictator, and refusing to wear masks. Those areas all have shots available. Like a lot. Like you can pick and choose appointment day/times a lot. Fuckers.

You can’t make it up the shots are in abundance in areas where those folks are refusing the vaccine because they believe the government will keep track of them as if they are so important or are afraid they won’t be able to have kids even though they can’t afford a dentist visit 🤣🤣🤣

When I have ever said anything about the government tracking me?  I have never seen anything like that, period.  Do you guys just make this stuff up?  I feel like the only sane one in here questioning a rushed vaccine that no one has any idea what it will do to you for a virus that is very survivable.

You do you that’s what it comes down too some folks just wanna go around no mask no vaccine, we won’t get out of this mess anytime soon! 

Merkin Baller

18 hours in after my 2nd Moderna shot. Achy joints & general lethargy... feel lousy, but if this is as bad as it gets, I’ll take it. 

mickeyrat

gvn2fly1421 said:

josevolution said:

jerparker20 said:

Been hunting around for a shot here in the Twin Cities. Nothing. Out of curiosity, I checked some of the rural areas. You know the places where people pissed and moaned about their “freedoms” being taken away and the governor being a dictator, and refusing to wear masks. Those areas all have shots available. Like a lot. Like you can pick and choose appointment day/times a lot. Fuckers.

You can’t make it up the shots are in abundance in areas where those folks are refusing the vaccine because they believe the government will keep track of them as if they are so important or are afraid they won’t be able to have kids even though they can’t afford a dentist visit 🤣🤣🤣

When I have ever said anything about the government tracking me?  I have never seen anything like that, period.  Do you guys just make this stuff up?  I feel like the only sane one in here questioning a rushed vaccine that no one has any idea what it will do to you for a virus that is very survivable.

and whos to say how devastating for the so called healthy ones will be.

but sure, lets let it run unchecked and mutate as it will.

josevolution

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/1380861131259056128?s=21
Not good! 

PJPOWER

You know what would be fair; no more stimulus checks if you refuse the vaccine.

Halifax2TheMax

gvn2fly1421 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

oftenreading said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

Looking at cases at any single point in time to argue against lockdowns is pointless, given the time lag between when lockdowns and reopenings start and when we see cases go down or up. What matters is the trends over time related to these activities, and we have good evidence that lockdowns are effective to reduce cases where they are properly implemented  and where people obey them. 

Lockdowns are effective to reduce cases.  Lockdowns are also effective at delaying the inevitable.  The virus is gonna virus.

At one point do you end the lockdown?  If you told every person in America that if you locked down for a month the virus would be gone and life would be back to normal, every single person would jump at that.  I know I would.  The problem is, viruses are not on that same schedule.  So at what point does the costs of lockdowns outweight the costs of reaching herd immunity?

You may not have heard,  but there's a 94% effective vaccine out there.  

You may not have heard, there is a 99%* survivable virus out there.

*For most healthy people.

For most healthy people... we have an aging population and co morbidity. That's why there are a half million dead.  Stop minimizing that very important fact.  All lives matter... remember?

I hesitate to even respond because I do not want to derail what I feel like has been good discussion, but do not lump me in with other Republicans that you see on tv or other stuff.  The All Live Matter jab at the end was unnecessary.  When did I ever say that? 

As I have stated in the past, I did not vote for that glorious orange bastard in 2016, but I did in 2020.  I try to get information from all sides and form an opinion off of that.  I believe women should be allowed to have an abortion.  I believe in stricter gun laws.  ABSO-FUCKIN-LUTELY!

One of my broader points throughout coming here is that if you cannot look at BOTH sides of the political landscape in America and laugh at the absurdity, you are too far gone.

OK, please do not derail off of that post...  Back to covid...

You're focused on the throw away line.  The point still stands which you didn't address.  It's true that mortality rate is very low for people that are young and without co-morbidities.  But that's not the whole country as evidenced by the half million dead.  The 95% vaccine effectiveness is a number that plays out across the health spectrum, whereas your 99% number is only for the very healthy.  So focusing on the healthy shows a blatant disregard for a good chunk of our citizens and neighbors. 

And that's where this whole thing gets really, really difficult to deal with.  

Several have mentioned the vaccine as the "getting back to normal" point, my only concern with that is the language that the health community and the MSM is using around the vaccine (may not protect against variants, still have to mask, still have to distance, cannot travel, etc.) is a terrible message to send to get people back to normal and want to take the vaccine.  What incentive does a healthy adult have to take the vaccine?

There's a difference between the science of virology and social health policy.  Social health policy dictates to continue to distance and mask because a minority of Americans (or maybe just 50%) have been immunized.  If you tell people, once you are vaccinated, no need to do anything different, you'll have people who are NOT vaccinated start doing the same.  So it's a safety first approach.  

But you continue to avoid other points that I have raised and go onto something else.  Everyone see the goal posts moving consistently here.  Going back to what I believe your core point was, that we should have gone to herd immunity as a strategy.  The one country that had that as a strategy was Sweden, and they had higher infection and mortality rates than neighboring Scandinavian countries.  It has been a failure.  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-prageru-sweden-herd-immunit/fact-check-sweden-has-not-achieved-herd-immunity-is-not-proof-that-lockdowns-are-useless-idUSKBN28C2R7

The point you raised in the post I replied to mentioned vaccine effectiveness.  I drew the conclusion that you think the vaccine is the way out.  I replied to that.

I went and looked at Sweden's numbers on google and they don't look awful.  More people have gotten the virus and more people have died, but the percentage of people who get the virus and survive are close when compared to Norway and Finland.  I have no idea how each country handled the virus, let me just get that out there before I am asked.  Would anyone care to enlighten me?

What other points can I offer an opinion to that I have missed?  I try to respond to any posts directed me as honest as I can.

Sweden's infection rates are far worse than their Scandinavian counterparts.  Death rates, as I said earlier, are not about masks or social distancing.  Why do you think those things are connected?  Death is an outcome based on co-morbidities, availability of healthcare, and age of the infected.  Why would you expect a dramatically different death rate amongst three Scando countries that have similar demographics and healthcare systems?

The go to number that everyone seems to go to is deaths.  That is why I use death rates.  All of them are around 1%.  So if we have learned anything from looking at New Zealand, Sweden, New Brunswick, the US, etc., we have learned that cases are going to happen, virus gonna virus, no matter what is done.  It seems the path we are on now is a path to having this linger for years.

It's 2%.. but let's extrapolate your theory.  Most virologists say you need 70-85% infection rate to achieve herd immunity.  So taking the middle, let's take 77.5% of the world had to be infected, and 2% of the cases ended in fatalities.  That means for the 7.9 billion humans, we would have 6.1 billion cases.  And that would lead to 122 million deaths. That would be compared to the current death count of 2.9 million.

Let that sink in.  122 million deaths under your strategy.  As another comparative, a measly 75 million people died in WW2.  The Influenza outbreak of 1919/20 was 50 million.  

So bottom line, it's hard to agree with your theory or your statement that "virus gonna virus, no matter what".  

Not to really muddy the waters, and not to move the goal posts which I know I will get accused of, in the scenario you play out, how many of those deaths do you truly think are caused by Covid?  I have posted several articles, videos, etc in the past of how Covid deaths are classified.  Here is an example from IL...  https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

The CDC itself just reviewed tons of death certificates and questioned the true death toll...  See for yourself here...  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm

For 6% of the deaths, covid was the only cause listed.  Could the true death toll be closer to 30,000 opposed to 500,000?  

From the article from the CDC you just posted, in the summary section:

 "Among 378,048 death certificates from 2020 listing COVID-19, 5.5% listed COVID-19 without codes for any other conditions. Among 357,133 death certificates with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occurring diagnosis of a plausible chain-of-event condition (e.g., pneumonia or respiratory failure), or a significant contributing condition (e.g., hypertension or diabetes), or both." 

That's not "questioning the true death toll" - the above paragraph doesn't suggest at all what you're stating. What has been said about this virus from day one is that immunocompromised individuals are at substantially heightened risk. It should be fairly obvious based on that fact (shared over a year ago now) that you'd expect more fatalities to be linked with contributing conditions - and it certainly doesn't mean any fatalities with co-morbidities are somehow 'invalid' CoVID-19 deaths. Show some meaningful numbers instead of bullshit anecdotes if you intend to convince anyone here. If your claim is that the CDC has overstated the fatalities by 94% because co-morbidities are a myth - I truly don't know what to say other than that's moronic.

I give you credit for trying. The problem is Trump kicked a rock, and all the crazy people who hid beneath it and kept to themselves in the dark are now emboldened, and they ain’t going away

The dude literally said no matter what is done the virus is gonna virus, and PUT THE USA IN THE SAME BUCKET AS NZ.

NZ LITERALLY HAS ZERO DOMESTIC CASES. ZERO.

What does NZ do when there is community spread? They lock down immediately for a few days to eradicate the virus as science says should be done AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO LIVING THEIR NORMAL LIVES WITH EVERYTHING OPEN.

Sorry for shouting, but with these people it’s the same thing with everything with these trumpsters, the trump terrorists didn’t invade the capitol and kill a cop, trump didn’t collide with Russia or Ukraine, and either covid ain’t deadly or if it is, nothing can be done about it.

Murica is screwed. Enjoy normal life, New Zelanders!

Again, when did I compare New Zealand to America?  The question was asked, how would you handle Covid and several responded and mentioned New Zealand.  I know New Zealand locked down but nobody could give me any idea what that looked like.  You need to google again how many cases New Zealand has.  They reported their most in 4 months yesterday.  To say I put the US and New Zealand in the “same bucket” is flat out crazy.

How would you handle it since you seem to know all the answers?  I find it hard to believe that once the virus is found we lock down hard for several days and that will erase it, especially seeing how New Zealand is not at Zero Covid.  

Most here are ok and will engage in nice debate, but some of y’all are flat out crazy.  Please, show me on this doll where Trump touched you?  Relax man, life will go on and it will be ok.

And oh yeah, virus is gonna virus!

Where on the POOTWH Doll did that POS touch me? You’re joking, right? How about that incompetent piece of shit anally raped me and the nation I live in?

Hadn’t seen my nursing home bound mother in over a year until recently.

Lots of young people I know, you know, high school kids, missed out on many “rights of passage,” like getting drivers licenses, going to prom, sports seasons senior year, in person graduation, college visits, travel, etc.

The cemetery that I drive by every time I want to access the highway, the one that you’d be lucky to see a fresh grave once or twice a year, has had a shit ton of fresh graves created the past year.

Friends of mine have lost parents and friends. Loss, you know?

I didn’t get a raise last year as my employer froze everyone’s salary, cut budgets 5% and sent everyone home. Haven’t been to the office in over a year and haven’t seen the vast majority of my colleagues. Guess I’m lucky as I still have my job.

Haven’t gone to a bar or restaurant on my little commercial district up the street in over a year, the places to stop in for a beer, see someone from the neighborhood, catch up, watch sports, eat good food, etc. You know, “community? And some of those long time staff, the ones I got to know over time, celebrate their marriages, having kids, birthdays, etc. gone, not coming back.

Haven’t left the country in over a year, used to go on an overseas vacation annually.

Still waiting to see the four PJ shows scheduled from last tour, can’t even remember what tickets I have for which shows (least of my worries).

And I know I have it way better than most in my social circle, town and state.

How does it feel to go through life unmolested? How do you feel about Matt Getts Off?

That’s a year I’ll never get back. For 560,000 dead Americans and their families and loved ones, and counting,  it’s a life they’ll never get back. And POOTWH knew about the severity of covid, understood the potential harm and lied to the American people and the world. And you voted for that POS.

bootlegger10

560k dying out of 60M people in the US with COVID19 is no big deal I guess to some, but a vaccine where a couple people out of 114M people getting the vaccine thus far in the US have died days or weeks after getting the vaccine is too risky.   Logic doesn't quite make sense.  Seems like the deniers should be indifferent to getting the vaccine versus opposed to it.   

Bentleyspop

PJPOWER said:

You know what would be fair; no more stimulus checks if you refuse the vaccine.

mrussel1

gvn2fly1421 said:

josevolution said:

jerparker20 said:

Been hunting around for a shot here in the Twin Cities. Nothing. Out of curiosity, I checked some of the rural areas. You know the places where people pissed and moaned about their “freedoms” being taken away and the governor being a dictator, and refusing to wear masks. Those areas all have shots available. Like a lot. Like you can pick and choose appointment day/times a lot. Fuckers.

You can’t make it up the shots are in abundance in areas where those folks are refusing the vaccine because they believe the government will keep track of them as if they are so important or are afraid they won’t be able to have kids even though they can’t afford a dentist visit 🤣🤣🤣

When I have ever said anything about the government tracking me?  I have never seen anything like that, period.  Do you guys just make this stuff up?  I feel like the only sane one in here questioning a rushed vaccine that no one has any idea what it will do to you for a virus that is very survivable.

122 million dead under your strategy,  Mr. President.  And you're the only sane one here?

Merkin Baller

The “only sane one in here” wondered aloud if we would have even noticed a 23% uptick in excess deaths.

mrussel1

Merkin Baller said:

The “only sane one in here” wondered aloud if we would have even noticed a 23% uptick in excess deaths.

Only if the liberal media printed that type of biased information.  

gvn2fly1421

If Donald John Trump was still in office and was touting his “warp speed, big and beautiful vaccine”, I have to think this thread would have a different tone based on most of the responses here.  I feel like most, not all, are so blinded by your politics you cannot think critically.

mrussel1

gvn2fly1421 said:

If Donald John Trump was still in office and was touting his “warp speed, big and beautiful vaccine”, I have to think this thread would have a different tone based on most of the responses here.  I feel like most, not all, are so blinded by your politics you cannot think critically.

You would think wrong. All of us are smart enough to know that Trump didn't actually make the vaccine,  nor test it.  

122 million dead under herd strategy.  That's what you're advocating.  And you advocate it AFTER knowing the death toll and that we have multiple vaccines. 

mickeyrat

that fact there is a vaccine this early shows gov was right to get involved.

the clusterfuck that was the fuckstick administration appears to have done jack shit in regards to distribution. preferring again to "....take no responsibility"

the fact that I am now vaccinated with both shots in early April is a testament to the current administration who believes government can and should work for its citizens.

I was expecting much later this year.

mrussel1

My wife got the J&J yesterday,  with no side effects yet. 

Halifax2TheMax

gvn2fly1421 said:

If Donald John Trump was still in office and was touting his “warp speed, big and beautiful vaccine”, I have to think this thread would have a different tone based on most of the responses here.  I feel like most, not all, are so blinded by your politics you cannot think critically.

Nice dodge.

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

that fact there is a vaccine this early shows gov was right to get involved.

the clusterfuck that was the fuckstick administration appears to have done jack shit in regards to distribution. preferring again to "....take no responsibility"

the fact that I am now vaccinated with both shots in early April is a testament to the current administration who believes government can and should work for its citizens.

I was expecting much later this year.

Hear hear