The coronavirus

tbergs

gvn2fly1421 said:

tbergs said:

Well, things are going to going especially partisan again as we see "red" states lift mandates and "blue" states maintain masks and limit gatherings. Texas is all in.

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-lifts-mask-mandate-opens-texas-100-percent

As I have said, it has always been about the political science...  Don't ever think it was about anything else.

Trump made it political and rallied the troops to make it about freedom. Stupid.

gvn2fly1421

And what did the Democratic Governors make it about?  The science?

The science that says what is good for thee, is not for me...  Never forget!

Weston1283

I don't think anyone can disagree that the virus has been made political to some degree pretty much since this all started in March of 2020, and I dont think it was all Trump, although he was by far and away the worst player involved

gvn2fly1421

In this graph, we show just why people are tired of following the science and the experts...  This bit of panic porn produced by the Biden Covid Response Team or whatever they are called...  Variants?  Remember those?  I do...

gvn2fly1421

The beauty of some of these states starting to open up...  The people who are scared of the virus can continue to stay at home, those who feel a mask is enough to stop the virus can continue to wear a mask, and those who are ready to move on, can move on.  It's pretty simple.  We were never going to stop the virus.  We have to learn to live with it.

mace1229

Weston1283 said:

I don't think anyone can disagree that the virus has been made political to some degree pretty much since this all started in March of 2020, and I dont think it was all Trump, although he was by far and away the worst player involved

I can't remember which media source, but it was a mainstream channel. I think it was the guy I see every morning on CBS This Morning, so it was probably that. He was at the beach calling people out for not wearing a mask and shaming them. Most just turned away without comment. But one person spoke up and called him and his crew out, everyone behind the camera was not wearing a mask while he's going around mask shaming. I could help but give it a good laugh. 

gvn2fly1421

mace1229 said:

Weston1283 said:

I don't think anyone can disagree that the virus has been made political to some degree pretty much since this all started in March of 2020, and I dont think it was all Trump, although he was by far and away the worst player involved

I can't remember which media source, but it was a mainstream channel. I think it was the guy I see every morning on CBS This Morning, so it was probably that. He was at the beach calling people out for not wearing a mask and shaming them. Most just turned away without comment. But one person spoke up and called him and his crew out, everyone behind the camera was not wearing a mask while he's going around mask shaming. I could help but give it a good laugh. 

Good call...  There are so many examples of blatant hypocrisy by policy makers and media types I have lost count...  Link to this classic below...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/video-wisconsin-man-in-davante-adams-jersey-owns-msnbc-reporter-over-cameraman-not-wearing-mask-in-segment/ar-BB14DoBd

gimmesometruth27

good luck, texas.

oftenreading

There are some places I’ll probably continue to wear masks pretty much indefinitely. Airplanes and other public transit, for instance. Crowded shops and malls, particularly in the winter. One thing I’ve appreciated over the past year is not having any respiratory infections. I don’t know why I would want to go back to getting a few colds per year. 

Meltdown99

Toronto is now run by kindergarten teachers...lmfao

Lerxst1992

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Ledbetterman10 said:

John Oliver killed Cuomo last night. Scroll down a bit on this page for the video: John Oliver Unloads on ‘Colossal Asshole’ Andrew Cuomo

Ha. All of a sudden eh? Guy has been a major bully and a dick for quite some time. 

I know a couple of people (my boss and my father among them) who were all about this guy when he was giving those daily briefings, probably because he was in opposition of Trump. But now, with Trump vanquished, and these reports coming out about the nursing homes, they're singing a different tune. Which I respect. There's nothing worse than the person that won't acknowledge when someone on their "team" deserves blame/criticism...as we've all seen with some of Trump's biggest fans. But this guy is a joke. His briefings, his appearances on his brother's show, his book, and most laughable of all, his Emmy award. Give me a break. 

The new nursing home scandal, as terrible as it is, is a bit of a false flag as it’s solely a reporting issue. The nursing home scandal last March was horrible, but that’s not the media focus now.

NYS is doing horribly with the virus, among one of the worst states the past few months, and cuomo and his media are pretending schools are completely safe. Schools are probably safer than restaurants, but that does not make them safe. And no one will take on the state govt nor the school districts here, and there is no media holding them accountable like they did with Trump. People are getting sick and dying, and NYS is pretending it’s doing a good job and safe to have schools at near 100% capacity.

Schools are open where I live(BC, Canada) but here it feels like the government picked and chose things they felt was important to keep open.  Very much at the expense of personal relationships (Which for what feels like 4 months, you're not really suppose to visit people outside our own household).

I think you can pull off schools being open, but it means you have to sacrifice social contacts somewhere else.   I'm also not sure what the long term ramifications are keeping kids at home for 2 years to ride out coronavirus.   Education wise, and social wise (2 years of not evolving their ability to handle personal relationships etc..).

Half capacity is as far as my comfort is. So I definitely want them open. Currently most districts nearby are at full capacity 4 days a week.

NY is among the worst locations for covid the last few months. NY has a lot more cases and more per capita than BC.   And Cuomo rewrote the rules to keep schools open once infections took off in the fall. Thats trump style governance. 

Weston1283

oftenreading said:

There are some places I’ll probably continue to wear masks pretty much indefinitely. Airplanes and other public transit, for instance. Crowded shops and malls, particularly in the winter. One thing I’ve appreciated over the past year is not having any respiratory infections. I don’t know why I would want to go back to getting a few colds per year. 

Yeah, im all for getting a COVID vaccine booster every year with my flu shot.  I haven't gotten a cold all year.... cant remember the last time I went through a winter without a single cold

Lerxst1992

gvn2fly1421 said:

In this graph, we show just why people are tired of following the science and the experts...  This bit of panic porn produced by the Biden Covid Response Team or whatever they are called...  Variants?  Remember those?  I do...

According Dr Osterholm's quote on your chart, a new surge would start in mid March, so we are not there yet.

As great as the case reductions have been the last 7 weeks, the down curve has hit a wall the past week, which doesn't make sense considering the majority of the vulnerable have been mostly vaccinated.

Maybe this is just a blip and the down curve will resume. Some variants are expected to be more resistant to the vaccines,  why take that risk? Why not wait it out another month, see if this new variant is a real threat, and the bonus is 60 million will be vaccinated (at least one dose) in the interim. Or be impatient like TX, allow the variant to spread and mutate further and increase the risk the vaccines will not work?

GlowGirl

Weston1283 said:

oftenreading said:

There are some places I’ll probably continue to wear masks pretty much indefinitely. Airplanes and other public transit, for instance. Crowded shops and malls, particularly in the winter. One thing I’ve appreciated over the past year is not having any respiratory infections. I don’t know why I would want to go back to getting a few colds per year. 

Yeah, im all for getting a COVID vaccine booster every year with my flu shot.  I haven't gotten a cold all year.... cant remember the last time I went through a winter without a single cold

I was thinking that the other day. I haven't had any colds either. When all this is over, it might be ok to continue to wear a mask in the winter months when in crowded places such as the subway, airplanes, etc. I would have no issue with that at all. And now it wouldn't look weird to other people to see someone in a mask. I also will likely continue my increased hand washing. Now I wash my hands every time I come home from being out somewhere. I also have been disinfecting my cell phone. I had not done that before.

Weston1283

Anyone else feeling like the entire mindset around COVID is changing rapidly towards finally being at "the end"??

Weston1283

https://www.wapt.com/article/mississippi-governor-expected-to-begin-rolling-back-covid-19-restrictions/35699472#

Also just in, Mississippi is following Texas' lead and are dropping the mask mandate and business restrictions completely.

Lerxst1992

gvn2fly1421 said:

The beauty of some of these states starting to open up...  The people who are scared of the virus can continue to stay at home, those who feel a mask is enough to stop the virus can continue to wear a mask, and those who are ready to move on, can move on.  It's pretty simple.  We were never going to stop the virus.  We have to learn to live with it.

No mask = more virus = more mutation = less vaccine effectiveness = more risk of death.

We are so close, why blow it now? Impatience? 

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

The beauty of some of these states starting to open up...  The people who are scared of the virus can continue to stay at home, those who feel a mask is enough to stop the virus can continue to wear a mask, and those who are ready to move on, can move on.  It's pretty simple.  We were never going to stop the virus.  We have to learn to live with it.

No mask = more virus = more mutation = less vaccine effectiveness = more risk of death.

We are so close, why blow it now? Impatience? 

To own the libs.

tbergs

Lerxst1992 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

The beauty of some of these states starting to open up...  The people who are scared of the virus can continue to stay at home, those who feel a mask is enough to stop the virus can continue to wear a mask, and those who are ready to move on, can move on.  It's pretty simple.  We were never going to stop the virus.  We have to learn to live with it.

No mask = more virus = more mutation = less vaccine effectiveness = more risk of death.

We are so close, why blow it now? Impatience? 

Because it's a hoax, duh!

bbiggs

Weston1283 said:

Anyone else feeling like the entire mindset around COVID is changing rapidly towards finally being at "the end"??

Yes.  Hopefully PJ is keeping an open mind to a Fall tour.  As discussed in the 2021 North American Tour thread, once everyone has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, time to move on.