The coronavirus

pjl44

@oftenreading, check this out:

Saliva is more sensitive for SARS-CoV-2 detection in COVID-19 patients than nasopharyngeal swabs

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20067835v1

oftenreading

pjl44 said:

@oftenreading, check this out:

Saliva is more sensitive for SARS-CoV-2 detection in COVID-19 patients than nasopharyngeal swabs

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20067835v1

Thanks for posting. Small, preliminary study of 44 seriously ill patients (inpatients, a good chunk in ICU) and a companion study of 98 asymptomatic health care workers. Results seem promising but, as always, will need to be replicated in larger studies. If this bears out then it's a substantial improvement, reducing risk to staff at the time of collection as well as reducing false negatives.

brianlux

pjl44 said:

@oftenreading, check this out:

Saliva is more sensitive for SARS-CoV-2 detection in COVID-19 patients than nasopharyngeal swabs

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20067835v1

Very encouraging- thanks so much for posting this!

Spiritual_Chaos

Former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke again praises the Swedish Corona line.

In an interview with German Bild, he says that "the difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now."

Johan Giesecke, former state epidemiologist and current WHO adviser, participated in a large interview this weekend with British UnHerd.

He highlighted the Swedish path as more science-based, and that Britain did the same - before Prime Minister Boris Johnson made "a 180-degree turn".

Now the former state epidemiologist is being interviewed by the German tabloid Bild. He says there is no scientific evidence that "lockdowns" have an actual effect.

- People are not stupid, Johan Giesecke tells the magazine.

- The difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now.

Giesecke says that there have been exaggerated forecasts of death rates and places of care, and that most EU countries have adequate healthcare capacity.

- Our healthcare system has not collapsed and will not collapse, says Giesecke.

Instead, the former state epidemiologist believes that death rates between different countries can only be compared in a couple of years, and that deaths will increase in countries that have had severe restrictions and in different ways open up.

- The only difference with Sweden is that the deaths in these countries will occur later, after they have eased their measures.

In the interview with British UnHerd, Giesecke resembled the corona eruption with a tsunami that swept across Europe, and that countries will need to test different paths when it comes time to ease restrictions. If an eased action leads to more deaths, it is withdrawn. Then one must test another route until restrictions can be lifted without death. In the end, all European countries will be affected about the same, Giesecke says.

Halifax2TheMax

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke again praises the Swedish Corona line.

In an interview with German Bild, he says that "the difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now."

Johan Giesecke, former state epidemiologist and current WHO adviser, participated in a large interview this weekend with British UnHerd.

He highlighted the Swedish path as more science-based, and that Britain did the same - before Prime Minister Boris Johnson made "a 180-degree turn".

Now the former state epidemiologist is being interviewed by the German tabloid Bild. He says there is no scientific evidence that "lockdowns" have an actual effect.

- People are not stupid, Johan Giesecke tells the magazine.

- The difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now.

Giesecke says that there have been exaggerated forecasts of death rates and places of care, and that most EU countries have adequate healthcare capacity.

- Our healthcare system has not collapsed and will not collapse, says Giesecke.

Instead, the former state epidemiologist believes that death rates between different countries can only be compared in a couple of years, and that deaths will increase in countries that have had severe restrictions and in different ways open up.

- The only difference with Sweden is that the deaths in these countries will occur later, after they have eased their measures.

In the interview with British UnHerd, Giesecke resembled the corona eruption with a tsunami that swept across Europe, and that countries will need to test different paths when it comes time to ease restrictions. If an eased action leads to more deaths, it is withdrawn. Then one must test another route until restrictions can be lifted without death. In the end, all European countries will be affected about the same, Giesecke says.

Is that like Mario Cart all the way strawberry road to a cafeteria where mom serves rainbows but doesn’t lose her job? Because covid? Or KISS?

Spiritual_Chaos

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke again praises the Swedish Corona line.

In an interview with German Bild, he says that "the difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now."

Johan Giesecke, former state epidemiologist and current WHO adviser, participated in a large interview this weekend with British UnHerd.

He highlighted the Swedish path as more science-based, and that Britain did the same - before Prime Minister Boris Johnson made "a 180-degree turn".

Now the former state epidemiologist is being interviewed by the German tabloid Bild. He says there is no scientific evidence that "lockdowns" have an actual effect.

- People are not stupid, Johan Giesecke tells the magazine.

- The difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now.

Giesecke says that there have been exaggerated forecasts of death rates and places of care, and that most EU countries have adequate healthcare capacity.

- Our healthcare system has not collapsed and will not collapse, says Giesecke.

Instead, the former state epidemiologist believes that death rates between different countries can only be compared in a couple of years, and that deaths will increase in countries that have had severe restrictions and in different ways open up.

- The only difference with Sweden is that the deaths in these countries will occur later, after they have eased their measures.

In the interview with British UnHerd, Giesecke resembled the corona eruption with a tsunami that swept across Europe, and that countries will need to test different paths when it comes time to ease restrictions. If an eased action leads to more deaths, it is withdrawn. Then one must test another route until restrictions can be lifted without death. In the end, all European countries will be affected about the same, Giesecke says.

Is that like Mario Cart all the way strawberry road to a cafeteria where mom serves rainbows but doesn’t lose her job? Because covid? Or KISS?>

 
If you gonna try to disparage me, and/or my mother, with all of your wordsalads, then at least spell the video game correctly.

Thank you

RideRick

Spiritual_Chaos

rgambs

RideRick said:

There's no such thing as "rights".
It's a pipe dream concept. 

If the criteria for a right is that it can't be taken away, then there is no such thing as a right.  A murderer can take away your very right to breathe and think. 

We don't have rights, we have social contracts.

Spiritual_Chaos

rgambs said:

If the criteria for a right is that it can't be taken away, then there is no such thing as a right.  A murderer can take away your very right to breathe and think. 

A murderer/individual =/= the contract between a country/government and its citizens.

Halifax2TheMax

“Word” salad?

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke again praises the Swedish Corona line.

In an interview with German Bild, he says that "the difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now."

Johan Giesecke, former state epidemiologist and current WHO adviser, participated in a large interview this weekend with British UnHerd.

He highlighted the Swedish path as more science-based, and that Britain did the same - before Prime Minister Boris Johnson made "a 180-degree turn".

Now the former state epidemiologist is being interviewed by the German tabloid Bild. He says there is no scientific evidence that "lockdowns" have an actual effect.

- People are not stupid, Johan Giesecke tells the magazine.

- The difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now.

Giesecke says that there have been exaggerated forecasts of death rates and places of care, and that most EU countries have adequate healthcare capacity.

- Our healthcare system has not collapsed and will not collapse, says Giesecke.

Instead, the former state epidemiologist believes that death rates between different countries can only be compared in a couple of years, and that deaths will increase in countries that have had severe restrictions and in different ways open up.

- The only difference with Sweden is that the deaths in these countries will occur later, after they have eased their measures.

In the interview with British UnHerd, Giesecke resembled the corona eruption with a tsunami that swept across Europe, and that countries will need to test different paths when it comes time to ease restrictions. If an eased action leads to more deaths, it is withdrawn. Then one must test another route until restrictions can be lifted without death. In the end, all European countries will be affected about the same, Giesecke says.

Is that like Mario Cart all the way strawberry road to a cafeteria where mom serves rainbows but doesn’t lose her job? Because covid? Or KISS? Sweden appears to be playing Mario Kart against someone they know they can't beat.  They just gave up to protect the economy.  Sacrificing people along the way to the Gods...er Virus.

cincybearcat

Shocking, quote feature did something weird even though it look right on the screen at first 

pjl44

Vox was still pushing this horseshit last night. They doubled down and made the tweet even worse than the headline.

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1253166457619394560?s=19

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke again praises the Swedish Corona line.

In an interview with German Bild, he says that "the difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now."

Johan Giesecke, former state epidemiologist and current WHO adviser, participated in a large interview this weekend with British UnHerd.

He highlighted the Swedish path as more science-based, and that Britain did the same - before Prime Minister Boris Johnson made "a 180-degree turn".

Now the former state epidemiologist is being interviewed by the German tabloid Bild. He says there is no scientific evidence that "lockdowns" have an actual effect.

- People are not stupid, Johan Giesecke tells the magazine.

- The difference is that Germany is destroying its economy right now.

Giesecke says that there have been exaggerated forecasts of death rates and places of care, and that most EU countries have adequate healthcare capacity.

- Our healthcare system has not collapsed and will not collapse, says Giesecke.

Instead, the former state epidemiologist believes that death rates between different countries can only be compared in a couple of years, and that deaths will increase in countries that have had severe restrictions and in different ways open up.

- The only difference with Sweden is that the deaths in these countries will occur later, after they have eased their measures.

In the interview with British UnHerd, Giesecke resembled the corona eruption with a tsunami that swept across Europe, and that countries will need to test different paths when it comes time to ease restrictions. If an eased action leads to more deaths, it is withdrawn. Then one must test another route until restrictions can be lifted without death. In the end, all European countries will be affected about the same, Giesecke says.

Is that like Mario Cart all the way strawberry road to a cafeteria where mom serves rainbows but doesn’t lose her job? Because covid? Or KISS?

Sweden appears to be playing Mario Kart against someone they know they can't beat.  They just gave up to protect the economy.  Sacrificing people along the way to the Gods...er Virus.

 You don't know what you are talking about. Or you haven't been paying attention.

But keep it up.

dignin

pjl44 said:

Vox was still pushing this horseshit last night. They doubled down and made the tweet even worse than the headline.

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1253166457619394560?s=19

The injustice, I weep for Hannity.

g under p

This sounds like a silly question but does anyone if Melania is in the White House during these pandemic briefings?

Peace

DewieCox

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Always thought you were just kinda whiny but you’re proving yourself to be a pretty disgusting individual.

pjl44

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

Vox was still pushing this horseshit last night. They doubled down and made the tweet even worse than the headline.

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1253166457619394560?s=19

The injustice, I weep for Hannity.

It's not even about Hannity. You read the headline then read the story and it's journalism that we should be weeping for. 

Ledbetterman10

pjl44 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

pjl44 said:

bbiggs said:

pjl44 said:

bbiggs said:

A study suggesting Sean Hannity’s shows helped to spread Covid-19.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2020/4/22/21229360/coronavirus-covid-19-fox-news-sean-hannity-misinformation-death

Alternate headline: 

Watching Tucker Carlson saved lives

Yes.  Forgive me.  I'm not trying to put a biased spin on anything.  If you've followed my comments over time, you'll know I'm much more in the middle than most.  I don't have a problem with Tucker Carlson for the most part.  My post was about the study that focused on Hannity's show.  There are a lot of media outlets/ reporting that could have saved lives, like the suggestion that Tucker Carlson's did.  Not as many that were as reckless (in my opinion) as Hannity's with downplaying the severity of the disease.

For sure, man. I think we've agreed on a bunch of stuff previously. I just think Vox framed that in a very misleading way to get a predictable response. I'm not sure how useful a study is that compares Hannity and Tucker. It's set up to essentially produce the same headline, regardless of which way the data fell.

Carlson was talking about the dangers of the disease going back to January when countries outside of China first began having infections. His coverage of it has been night-and-day compared to Hannity, who’s just being a Trump cheerleader as always. 

The hyperbole of “Carlson saves lives while Hannity kills” or whatever that study suggested actually isn’t that far off. Maybe Carlson doesn’t deserve a medal for it, because it’s not like other cable news outlets weren’t reporting on the dangers of the virus too (though I do think Carlson was ahead of most of them). But if you’re just a typical Fox News viewer who tuned in for information on the virus in this time of crisis, Carlson gave you news and Hannity fed you bullshit. 

Carlson’s even been critical of Trump during the last month. He won’t come out and name him (gotta keep your job I guess), but he’s lamented the “federal government” and our “leadership” as problems during the pandemic. Last night or the night before, he did actually call out Trump’s most recent executive order as something that won’t help anything. Carlson’s no prize, but at least he’s not hopeless like Hannity. 

Can't disagree with any of that. Tucker's a weird cat. There is some shit where he is dead on, often flying in the face of any Republican orthodoxy (Trumpist or otherwise). Then other times he will have some bonkers/horrific guest or position that it negates everything else. He's like the Rand Paul of cable news.

I agree. And good point on his guests. A perfect example would be Dr. Mark Siegel who Carlson has on constantly. Though I've praised Carlson for being ahead of the game on the virus's dangers, Siegel was WAYYYYY behind. Back in early February, Siegel was like Hannity or most Fox News contributors claiming that the virus wasn't that different than the common flu. He's done an about-face on that of course. But it speaks to your point: I feel Carlson was dead-on with the virus going back to January, but bringing on someone like Siegel night-after-night can negate that.