The coronavirus

bbiggs

bootlegger10 said:

I just don’t understand how we can’t be locked down until a vaccine. 

Impossible to shut down the U.S. and/or global economy until late 2021, assuming that is the timeline for a vaccine.  The economic fallout would be incomprehensible.

pjl44

PJPOWER said:

pjl44 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

How about those protests in KY and MI? What a bunch of morons. Here’s a hospital worker who couldn’t make it to work because of the protest ranting about it....

https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs

MI protests are a textbook example of having the right to be upset, yet expressing it in the worst possible way 

Isn’t the new norm to protests by blocking streets?  There were a lot around here supporting that method not too long ago...I, for one, still think it is bad taste to block roadways protesting this or that.

Agree completely. I felt the exact same way about the BLM protests where they used the same methods. Their concerns were valid, but I think blocking roadways did more to turn people against them than win support.

pjl44

bootlegger10 said:

I just don’t understand how we can’t be locked down until a vaccine. 

Completely hypothetical, but if you had effective treatment there would be less concern about catching a bad case.

josevolution

elvistheking44 said:

josevolution said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i got called in to cover a surgery tuesday morning. i had not been in a hospital or a surgery center in 11 days. it is insane that some of these hospitals are still doing elective procedures. it is going to get hospital staff sick, and potentially patients, and ancillary staff like me. 

we had a conference call yesterday saying that kansas and missouri will be the last two states to resume elective surgeries, sometime in late june. as a surgical sales rep in missouri and southern illinois, i could be fucked for awhile.

Sorry to hear, here there’s only a few cases being done none are elective we went from over 65 elective cases a day  to basically zero..

Yesterday I asked if you could shed some light on the patients in your hospital that are losing the battle to covid19.  Can you provide anything? Pre existing conditions, how bad were they when they got to your hospital, what was their age? How did they contact the virus? Stuff like that.Thanks.

Can’t really give to much info since im not directly involved with patients I’m more part of the support team for the anesthesia dept , but from talking with MD’s and nurses it really varies on body types and races most that have perished here had underlying conditions , most are men , most are either Spanish or  African Americans off course there’s women too ages anywhere from older 70’s to as young as late 20’s , my niece is an X-ray tech in Manhattan she has done patients as young as 22 ..

josevolution

23scidoo said:

@josevolution stay strong!!

Thanks man it’s been a real challenge..

mace1229

bootlegger10 said:

I just don’t understand how we can’t be locked down until a vaccine. 

That could be a year or longer. You think people can go without work for a year?

josevolution

gimmesometruth27 said:

josevolution said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i got called in to cover a surgery tuesday morning. i had not been in a hospital or a surgery center in 11 days. it is insane that some of these hospitals are still doing elective procedures. it is going to get hospital staff sick, and potentially patients, and ancillary staff like me. 

we had a conference call yesterday saying that kansas and missouri will be the last two states to resume elective surgeries, sometime in late june. as a surgical sales rep in missouri and southern illinois, i could be fucked for awhile.

Sorry to hear, here there’s only a few cases being done none are elective we went from over 65 elective cases a day  to basically zero..

that is crazy. hope you all can stay afloat.

i just got an email that they are adding one on for Wed. they are using our graft that will expire the following week. i hate taking risks like this.

Yeah it’s nerve racking to say the least wishing you the best !

mcgruff10

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

NJ schools closed until August

Fixed.

Yeah no doubt it is gonna happen.  

missouri schools canceled the remainder of the school year last week.

When do Missouri schools usually start summer break?  We were supposed to go until June 25.

Hi!

DETROIT – In the last several weeks, many false or misleading theories have surfaced on social media about coronavirus, and the response to coronavirus.

We’re taking a look at some of these messages circulating the internet, to see if there’s any credible information available to support it -- or to debunk it.

Michigan banned sales on seeds, gardening, American flags

This is false.

This idea is one of the biggest drivers that sparked a massive protest in Lansing on Wednesday. According to Politifact, this is not specified anywhere in Gov. Whitmer’s stay-home order.

“In reality, executive order 2020-42, which went into effect April 9, 2020, requires larger stores to block off certain areas of their sales floors as a way of limiting the number of people in those stores. The order does not ban gardening or the sale of any product, including, as we mentioned in a previous fact-check, American flags.”

Gov. Whitmer’s order does deem landscaping services as “non-essential,” but some localities are not enforcing.

pjl44

Hi! said:

DETROIT – In the last several weeks, many false or misleading theories have surfaced on social media about coronavirus, and the response to coronavirus.

We’re taking a look at some of these messages circulating the internet, to see if there’s any credible information available to support it -- or to debunk it.

Michigan banned sales on seeds, gardening, American flags

This is false.

This idea is one of the biggest drivers that sparked a massive protest in Lansing on Wednesday. According to Politifact, this is not specified anywhere in Gov. Whitmer’s stay-home order.

“In reality, executive order 2020-42, which went into effect April 9, 2020, requires larger stores to block off certain areas of their sales floors as a way of limiting the number of people in those stores. The order does not ban gardening or the sale of any product, including, as we mentioned in a previous fact-check, American flags.”

Gov. Whitmer’s order does deem landscaping services as “non-essential,” but some localities are not enforcing.

Politifact: "Well ackshually removing items from shelves and blocking off sections isn't teknikully banning sales"

pjl44

People can't buy seeds or soil but the real problem is imprecise language 

RoleModelsinBlood31

lindamarie73 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

brianlux said:

Smellyman said:

My guess is that Fauci would LOVE to tell the world what he thinks of Trump but doesn't because it would cost him his job- an important one in thees time of COVID-19.  Trump should stay off the air and just let Fauci do the press conferences.  But, of course, that won't happen because Trump is the expert on everything!

I disagree- I think he’d like to tell everyone how good trump has been on all of this and how shocked he is at the gall of the reporters/media during those press conferences every day. He’s seen how they spin things and ask those “gotcha” kind of questions all the time to try to “get” trump.  He shut down the idea that trump was trying g to silence him the other day- I’m sure he’s just sick of the attempts to spin hard work into a failure.

Look out my friend, you are now labeled in this safe space and your opinion means nothin here in this “all accepting forum”.... 

yeah, they don’t scare me though, I know what I’m getting into when I post in here.  I’s another liberal tank of tears.  Cool people, but they’ve bought the media narrative hook line and sinker even though they’ve been proven wrong for years now. Happily spending their money on muellers waste of time and lapping up impeachment hearings as if they held any truth, to this virus- denying it’s china’s fault, hoping for economic collapse, prompting socialist and communist and anti USA rhetoric, blah blah blah.  As they have said for a long time, “you’ll be on the wrong side of history.”  They’ll look bck
and shrug, but as with the Russia narrative, deep down they know they were all for something that only got proven to be their own side (doj/fbi) was colluding by attempting a coup the whole time.


I take sollace in knowing the tsunami of red votes that will come in November.  We stand stoic and win, they cry horror and lose.  Watching it all go down and the Facebook and forum meltdowns make the nonsense in between all worthwhile.

Hi!

U.S.A. Today:

On April 9, Whitmer issued an executive orderextending the state’s stay-at-home order through the month's end. The order expands social distancing measures that were already implemented, including restrictions on in-person commerce.

The state's FAQ on the order dispels the claim, stating “while the order places certain limits on how goods are sold, it does not ban Michiganders from buying any item, including flags.” A representative from the state’s press office also told USA TODAY that Whitmer is not banning the sale of US flags.

The order also notes large stores must close off areas of stores meant for carpeting, flooring, furniture, gardening and paint. The limits only apply to in-person sales and do not apply to stores with less than 50,000 square feet.

Large stores are further required to implement measures that promote social distancing. The order encourages businesses to “consider establishing curbside pickup to reduce in-store traffic” and “explore alternatives to lines, including by allowing customers to wait in their cars for a text message or phone call.”

“We’ve seen misinformation circulating, so I’d like to be very clear — the Stay Home, Stay Safe executive order does not ban the purchasing of car seats for children,” Whitmer tweeted on Sunday.

Michigan has not banned the sale of American flags in the state. While the governor is now requiring that large stores cut off some sections of stores concerning gardening and home improvement, these supplies can still be bought online. We rate this claim false because it is not supported by our research.

DewieCox

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

lindamarie73 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

brianlux said:

Smellyman said:

My guess is that Fauci would LOVE to tell the world what he thinks of Trump but doesn't because it would cost him his job- an important one in thees time of COVID-19.  Trump should stay off the air and just let Fauci do the press conferences.  But, of course, that won't happen because Trump is the expert on everything!

I disagree- I think he’d like to tell everyone how good trump has been on all of this and how shocked he is at the gall of the reporters/media during those press conferences every day. He’s seen how they spin things and ask those “gotcha” kind of questions all the time to try to “get” trump.  He shut down the idea that trump was trying g to silence him the other day- I’m sure he’s just sick of the attempts to spin hard work into a failure.

Look out my friend, you are now labeled in this safe space and your opinion means nothin here in this “all accepting forum”.... 

yeah, they don’t scare me though, I know what I’m getting into when I post in here.  I’s another liberal tank of tears.  Cool people, but they’ve bought the media narrative hook line and sinker even though they’ve been proven wrong for years now. Happily spending their money on muellers waste of time and lapping up impeachment hearings as if they held any truth, to this virus- denying it’s china’s fault, hoping for economic collapse, prompting socialist and communist and anti USA rhetoric, blah blah blah.  As they have said for a long time, “you’ll be on the wrong side of history.”  They’ll look bck
and shrug, but as with the Russia narrative, deep down they know they were all for something that only got proven to be their own side (doj/fbi) was colluding by attempting a coup the whole time.


I take sollace in knowing the tsunami of red votes that will come in November.  We stand stoic and win, they cry horror and lose.  Watching it all go down and the Facebook and forum meltdowns make the nonsense in between all worthwhile.

It’s seldom you see such an overflowing crock of shit.

brianlux

bootlegger10 said:

I just don’t understand how we can’t be locked down until a vaccine. 

Widespread testing seems to be the answer.  This is the closest I've found so far to an answer to that:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/08/998785/stop-covid-or-save-the-economy-we-can-do-both/?fbclid=IwAR2U_LVoDvSMg1XiqvepebuDFSnN6SbbGo8yJ_aASStBmf2uu7obftje-88#Echobox=1586385642?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The summary reads:

"One day we will have to reopen the economy. Perhaps we’ll be able to hold out until the pandemic is showing signs of receding, or perhaps the economic suffering will prove intolerable both to those in charge and to those living in hard-hit regions. When that day comes, if we do not have widespread testing, we will be sending people back to work without knowing if they’re at risk of getting the virus or spreading it to others. “We’re thinking about this the wrong way,” Romer says. The idea that one day you will be able to restart the economy without massive testing to see if the outbreak is under control is just “magical thinking.” 

It could be a gradual process—those who are found to be free of infection or immune might be allowed back first. But without testing we won’t know how to manage this transition. In that case we will in fact be left with the Trumpian choice: between salvaging the economy and risking countless deaths."

pjl44

Hi! said:

U.S.A. Today:

On April 9, Whitmer issued an executive orderextending the state’s stay-at-home order through the month's end. The order expands social distancing measures that were already implemented, including restrictions on in-person commerce.

The state's FAQ on the order dispels the claim, stating “while the order places certain limits on how goods are sold, it does not ban Michiganders from buying any item, including flags.” A representative from the state’s press office also told USA TODAY that Whitmer is not banning the sale of US flags.

The order also notes large stores must close off areas of stores meant for carpeting, flooring, furniture, gardening and paint. The limits only apply to in-person sales and do not apply to stores with less than 50,000 square feet.

Large stores are further required to implement measures that promote social distancing. The order encourages businesses to “consider establishing curbside pickup to reduce in-store traffic” and “explore alternatives to lines, including by allowing customers to wait in their cars for a text message or phone call.”

“We’ve seen misinformation circulating, so I’d like to be very clear — the Stay Home, Stay Safe executive order does not ban the purchasing of car seats for children,” Whitmer tweeted on Sunday.

Michigan has not banned the sale of American flags in the state. While the governor is now requiring that large stores cut off some sections of stores concerning gardening and home improvement, these supplies can still be bought online. We rate this claim false because it is not supported by our research.

It acknowledges right in there that a whole bunch of items are blocked for purchase. It's stupid and it unnecessarily makes the current situation more difficult. If there is a concern about foot traffic, limit the number of people allowed in the store at a time. That's what's happening in MA and everyone is cool. I've waited no more than 10 minutes outside a grocery store and have yet to encounter a line at Target.

Lerxst1992

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I just don’t understand how we can’t be locked down until a vaccine. 

That could be a year or longer. You think people can go without work for a year?

The foundation of a good economy is consumer confidence.

 How is that possible before there is a reliable treatment?

Lerxst1992

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

lindamarie73 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

brianlux said:

Smellyman said:

My guess is that Fauci would LOVE to tell the world what he thinks of Trump but doesn't because it would cost him his job- an important one in thees time of COVID-19.  Trump should stay off the air and just let Fauci do the press conferences.  But, of course, that won't happen because Trump is the expert on everything!

I disagree- I think he’d like to tell everyone how good trump has been on all of this and how shocked he is at the gall of the reporters/media during those press conferences every day. He’s seen how they spin things and ask those “gotcha” kind of questions all the time to try to “get” trump.  He shut down the idea that trump was trying g to silence him the other day- I’m sure he’s just sick of the attempts to spin hard work into a failure.

Look out my friend, you are now labeled in this safe space and your opinion means nothin here in this “all accepting forum”.... 

yeah, they don’t scare me though, I know what I’m getting into when I post in here.  I’s another liberal tank of tears.  Cool people, but they’ve bought the media narrative hook line and sinker even though they’ve been proven wrong for years now. Happily spending their money on muellers waste of time and lapping up impeachment hearings as if they held any truth, to this virus- denying it’s china’s fault, hoping for economic collapse, prompting socialist and communist and anti USA rhetoric, blah blah blah.  As they have said for a long time, “you’ll be on the wrong side of history.”  They’ll look bck
and shrug, but as with the Russia narrative, deep down they know they were all for something that only got proven to be their own side (doj/fbi) was colluding by attempting a coup the whole time.


I take sollace in knowing the tsunami of red votes that will come in November.  We stand stoic and win, they cry horror and lose.  Watching it all go down and the Facebook and forum meltdowns make the nonsense in between all worthwhile.

http://youtu.be/3kxG8uJUsWU


In his own words you can hear the truth.

..

pjl44

Lerxst1992 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I just don’t understand how we can’t be locked down until a vaccine. 

That could be a year or longer. You think people can go without work for a year?

The foundation of a good economy is consumer confidence.

 How is that possible before there is a reliable treatment?

I think the biggest problem right now is that no one seems to have a plan. Trump is useless. The CDC and FDA aren't much better. For as well as my Governor has handled things, he's only recently joined this regional consortium and his updates are all very "today and tomorrow" issues.

If someone were offering a timeline with the gradual steps forward we'll be taking, it would go a long way. Give people that and I think we'd be willing to tough it out for a while longer. Right now it's just an indefinite lockdown and people will start to crack. 

Lerxst1992

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I just don’t understand how we can’t be locked down until a vaccine. 

That could be a year or longer. You think people can go without work for a year?

The foundation of a good economy is consumer confidence.

 How is that possible before there is a reliable treatment?

I think the biggest problem right now is that no one seems to have a plan. Trump is useless. The CDC and FDA aren't much better. For as well as my Governor has handled things, he's only recently joined this regional consortium and his updates are all very "today and tomorrow" issues.

If someone were offering a timeline with the gradual steps forward we'll be taking, it would go a long way. Give people that and I think we'd be willing to tough it out for a while longer. Right now it's just an indefinite lockdown and people will start to crack. 

If their lives are threatened? Granted it’s much different for me as I am relatively close to NYC. In our state, we have been at social distancing for 26 days, the disease is supposed to have a 14 day life, and we are still getting about 10,000 new cases per day. This makes no sense. The last place I want to be is at my office with anywhere near that amount of daily new cases (very lucky and grateful I can WFH). Without social d those daily new cases would go way up for sure? At some point a large % of Americans would just say screw it, let the 97% survive?