Accommodations for those without smartphones?

Mozzy

facepollution said:

BF25394 said:

jerparker20 said:

Pretty sure this will be locked down by the time I wake up in the morning. Thanks for the laughs.

Get a damn smartphone and be done with it.

"I'm not going along. I can just see you in Berlin in 1939 goose-stepping past me: 'C'mon Jerry, go along, go along...'" 

Wow.

Right?! Why is anyone continuing to engage with this person?

Tremorman

mookieblalock said:

Tremorman said:

mookieblalock said:

BF25394 said:

mookieblalock said:

I’m also pissed the new album isn’t offered on 8 track! Not everyone has a CD player or a turntable! 

Also, why can I only get 10c tickets through email when I have been a standing member for over 20 years? Not everyone has the internet or a computer!

Also, why doesn’t the band play in my city? Not everyone has a car or knows someone that wants to drive them, or likes to fly! 

Do you have any other inapt analogies?  Are there tens of millions of Americans with 8-track players?  Could anyone have a reasonable expectation of the album being available on 8-track when no album has been available in that format for over 30 years, contrary to how hard tickets were made available for this band's most recent shows less than two years ago?

Again, why does this bother you?  No one is asking anything from you.  No one is asking you to be inconvenienced in any way.  You are choosing to engage with this thread when it is of no concern to you, and why?  Just to be a dick?

This band arranged for hard tickets to be available to customers without smartphones on its last tour.  This band did that.  Other bands playing these same venues using the same ticket agency do that.  How is it unreasonable to inquire as to whether they intend to do the same thing that they just did?  And why does it so offend you that someone dares to ask?

Generally, businesses try to accommodate people who want to purchase the products they're selling, not mock them.

I could offer plenty more analogies if you would like. Just let me know.

My 86 year old grandmother has a smartphone. My hand to god this is the absolute truth. She doesn’t know how to use it all that well, but she does have one. Like it or not, the 8 track analogy is not far off from people not having smart phones. You are a dying breed. Also true is my analogy of the 10c at some point REQUIRING you to have an email account and a computer to purchase 10c tickets, which was a change to how things originally functioned. CHANGED!!!!!

Why does it bother me? It doesn’t at all really. I am just pointing out the absurdity in your thinking that just because you choose to remain in the dark ages, that somehow prohibits the band and the rest of the world from evolving, like they owe it to you to keep things the way they were in 1991. 

20% of cell phone owners aren’t smartphone owners. That is not an insignificant number. And the smartphone ticketing doesn’t actually prevent all scalping.  And you can get an email address using a library or work computer if you needed to, no ownership required.

You’re the only one talking about scalping here. Is this about cost of phones or preventing scalping? Let’s stay focused.

Thanks for the lesson on how to get an email address, I think My point of bringing up email (that the band changed from the snail mail ticketing system) flew right over your head. I know you non- smart phone owners probably assume getting an email address and accessing a computer is difficult for everyone else to understand, just like it is yourselves, but I assure you it is not!

Scalping prevention is the essence of the policy. The entire thread grows from that intent of the policy.  And yet that prevention is not going to be 100% effective and could hinder a not-so-small number of fans.    If none of these venues had will call ticketing then it would be a bit extreme to ask 10C to do it special just for a PJ concert.  But that is not the case.  That is my point. And it worked pretty well in '18.

And your email point mentioned specifically that the entry point to the technology included ownership of the equipment .  I was just proving it was not.  

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

BF25394 said:

Cash is not going anywhere, my friend.  And I've never had anyone complain about me giving them cash when I owe them money.

Who said anything about cramming this down people's throats?  I am not asking Pearl Jam to abandon mobile ticketing.  I am asking Pearl Jam whether they plan to, in recognition of the fact that a small but real number of its loyal fans do not have the requisite technology, arrange for an easy accommodation that already exists at every venue that costs the band nothing and that they have previously provided.

I think it's a big assumption on your part that it's an "easy accommodation" that "costs the band nothing"...with each year of my concert-going (10-12 shows per year usually), I'm finding more and more that it's either digital only, occasionally with the print-at-home option and sometimes not, or pay extra (sometimes $3-4 each) for ticket vendor hard copies. That extra cost? Is because they need to be printed. On paper. With ink. With the entire planet moving digital more and more each day, this is the evolution of ticketing systems, and how they continue to cut costs wherever possible.

Some people are still willing to pay extra for the hard copy tickets, and perhaps if that became the option - an extra fee to get them printed at the Will Call window with proof of ID - then I could understand it. But of course then there would be complaints that "just because I don't have a smart phone I have to pay more for my ticket?"

It's EVOLUTION, BABY! Change happens.

This person said it pretty well, too:

mookieblalock said:

Because at some point a question wasn’t just being asked; it was interspersed with a sense of entitlement that because a fan didn’t have a smart phone they were owed something. That is where the problem lies. If it’s about the question, just leave it at that. The band is allowed to change as they always have. I want everyone who wants to get in the show to be able to do so, but sometimes the world evolves and you have to acknowledge when that happens. You don’t have to evolve with it, but you can’t get mad because others evolve. 

BF25394

mookieblalock said:

BF25394 said:

mookieblalock said:

BF25394 said: So, no, I'm not mad.  I am annoyed by people like you who, rather than just staying out of a conversation that doesn't pertain to you, instead choose to cast aspersions on people who are not like you based on flawed assumptions and analogies.  You're not going to convince me to get a smartphone or make me feel bad about not having one, and I'm not going to convince you to give yours up (nor have I even tried to do this even implicitly-- I hope you and your smartphone continue making each other happy for many years to come).  So how about let's just let the Ten Club address the issue, as they did in the distant dark age of 2018 and hopefully will again in the dystopian future of 2020.

Don’t be a victim, nobody cast aspersions at anyone. I grew up poor. I don’t have a Facebook account. I have a beater smartphone because I know it’s a requirement to live in the modern world. Adapt or be left behind.

Sure you did.  You called people inquiring about this accommodation entitled.  You also said "I know you non- smart phone owners probably assume getting an email address and accessing a computer is difficult for everyone else to understand, just like it is yourselves, but I assure you it is not!"

You don't have a Facebook account?  Even my 86-year-old grandmother has a Facebook account.  Why don't you get with the times?

Having a smartphone is not a requirement to live in the modern world.  I live in the modern world every day.  Tens of millions of Americans live in the modern world every day without smartphones.  You have chosen to organize your life in a way that requires a smartphone.  That works for you.  But it's actually not that hard to organize your life in a way that doesn't require a smartphone.  You may think that it is because you've gotten used to and reliant on your smartphone, but it's really not.

OK, Boomer.

Proudly Gen X, actually.  But I take your point that you have no substantive response and should have just stayed out of this.

BF25394

pjl44 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

What if you slam a handful of shrooms in the lot and have to fight a cyclops or some shit? Let's say you bang him up real good, and he's limping away but spins around and takes one last swing at you with his knobby club?  You're trying to take a video to post on the message boards but his last swing clobbers your phone and it goes spinning out of your hand and lands in a mine field on the edge of the lava pit?  There's no way you're going to be able to retrieve it without a kitchenaid stand mixer and no one has one with them obviously.  Would will call hook you up with a hard ticket?

All I know is, thanks to shrooms, the barcodes on my tickets have been constantly changing since '96.

Also, Facebook is for olds. Your 86yo grandmother is on there because it's for 86yo grandmothers.

deadendp said:

BF25394 said:

mookieblalock said:

BF25394 said: So, no, I'm not mad.  I am annoyed by people like you who, rather than just staying out of a conversation that doesn't pertain to you, instead choose to cast aspersions on people who are not like you based on flawed assumptions and analogies.  You're not going to convince me to get a smartphone or make me feel bad about not having one, and I'm not going to convince you to give yours up (nor have I even tried to do this even implicitly-- I hope you and your smartphone continue making each other happy for many years to come).  So how about let's just let the Ten Club address the issue, as they did in the distant dark age of 2018 and hopefully will again in the dystopian future of 2020.

Don’t be a victim, nobody cast aspersions at anyone. I grew up poor. I don’t have a Facebook account. I have a beater smartphone because I know it’s a requirement to live in the modern world. Adapt or be left behind.

Sure you did.  You called people inquiring about this accommodation entitled.  You also said "I know you non- smart phone owners probably assume getting an email address and accessing a computer is difficult for everyone else to understand, just like it is yourselves, but I assure you it is not!"

You don't have a Facebook account?  Even my 86-year-old grandmother has a Facebook account.  Why don't you get with the times?

Having a smartphone is not a requirement to live in the modern world.  I live in the modern world every day.  Tens of millions of Americans live in the modern world every day without smartphones.  You have chosen to organize your life in a way that requires a smartphone.  That works for you.  But it's actually not that hard to organize your life in a way that doesn't require a smartphone.  You may think that it is because you've gotten used to and reliant on your smartphone, but it's really not.

Not everyone is on FB. I am not. Won't be.  Good on your 86 year old grandma. 

BTW, I think if Granny caught wind of the whisker licking you are doling out, she'd turn you over her knee. 

Yeah, so the grandma thing was sarcasm that at least two of you missed.  The guy said his 86-year-old grandma has a smartphone and then, while chiding me for not embracing a particular technology used by the majority, disclosed the irony that he is himself in the minority of Americans who are not on Facebook.  The guy also made a point, while implying that I want to bring back 8-tracks, of talking about how he listens to vinyl records, a technology that peaked 50 years ago.

I picture some of you in the late 1990s.  "What's the matter with you?  Why are you still buying vinyl?  Everyone's listening to CDs now.  Adapt or be left behind.  Why are you asking the band if it will put the album out on vinyl?  Get with the times."

Given what I have said about privacy in the context of smartphones, clearly, I am not on Facebook.

patkelly12

Paper tickets are tomorrow’s plastic straws.

huntersthompson

patkelly12 said:

Paper tickets are tomorrow’s plastic straws.

They are finding out that turtles unexpectedly like to shove them up their noses as well....nature is so weird.

BF25394

Mozzy said:

facepollution said:

BF25394 said:

jerparker20 said:

Pretty sure this will be locked down by the time I wake up in the morning. Thanks for the laughs.

Get a damn smartphone and be done with it.

"I'm not going along. I can just see you in Berlin in 1939 goose-stepping past me: 'C'mon Jerry, go along, go along...'" 

Wow.

Right?! Why is anyone continuing to engage with this person?

It's a freaking Seinfeld quote, for Pete's sake.  Why are you taking it seriously?  I even put the little smiley-face there to help walk you through it.

MayDay10

its the way it is.  With ticketing and other things.  My Buffalo Bills season tickets are electric-only and a smartphone is needed.  Same with my Sabres tickets.  A growing number of other events I attend has the virtual tickets.  I dont like it, it feels like more of a nuisance, but thats the way it is.  There was a kind of 'transition period' where the Bills and Sabres would send you a block of printed tickets on request.  You were also able to print your tickets from your account.  Now, printing is no longer an option.  

BF25394

Sharon_Hearts_PJ said:

BF25394 said:

Cash is not going anywhere, my friend.  And I've never had anyone complain about me giving them cash when I owe them money.

Who said anything about cramming this down people's throats?  I am not asking Pearl Jam to abandon mobile ticketing.  I am asking Pearl Jam whether they plan to, in recognition of the fact that a small but real number of its loyal fans do not have the requisite technology, arrange for an easy accommodation that already exists at every venue that costs the band nothing and that they have previously provided.

I think it's a big assumption on your part that it's an "easy accommodation" that "costs the band nothing"...with each year of my concert-going (10-12 shows per year usually), I'm finding more and more that it's either digital only, occasionally with the print-at-home option and sometimes not, or pay extra (sometimes $3-4 each) for ticket vendor hard copies. That extra cost? Is because they need to be printed. On paper. With ink. With the entire planet moving digital more and more each day, this is the evolution of ticketing systems, and how they continue to cut costs wherever possible.

Some people are still willing to pay extra for the hard copy tickets, and perhaps if that became the option - an extra fee to get them printed at the Will Call window with proof of ID - then I could understand it. But of course then there would be complaints that "just because I don't have a smart phone I have to pay more for my ticket?"

It's EVOLUTION, BABY! Change happens.

This person said it pretty well, too:

mookieblalock said:

Because at some point a question wasn’t just being asked; it was interspersed with a sense of entitlement that because a fan didn’t have a smart phone they were owed something. That is where the problem lies. If it’s about the question, just leave it at that. The band is allowed to change as they always have. I want everyone who wants to get in the show to be able to do so, but sometimes the world evolves and you have to acknowledge when that happens. You don’t have to evolve with it, but you can’t get mad because others evolve. 

(sigh) I said I'd pay for the option to print the ticket.  Read the thread.  The venues already print tickets for other events.  They do this every day.  It doesn't require new technology.  It doesn't require new people to be hired.  The cost is de minimis.  As previously mentioned, I recently paid $5 to print hard tickets for Wilco shows.  I was fine with that, even though I know it doesn't cost the ticketing agency $5 to print and mail the tickets.  There were no complaints that I had to pay more because I don't have a smartphone, even as you falsely assume that such complaints would naturally follow.

Again, why does this matter to you?  It does not affect you.  Why are so many of you so eager to see other fans excluded when they could be easily accommodated-- JUST LIKE WAS DONE FOR THE LAST SET OF SHOWS?  No one is trying to take your smartphone or your ability to use it as a ticket away from you.

BF25394

pjl44 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

What if you slam a handful of shrooms in the lot and have to fight a cyclops or some shit? Let's say you bang him up real good, and he's limping away but spins around and takes one last swing at you with his knobby club?  You're trying to take a video to post on the message boards but his last swing clobbers your phone and it goes spinning out of your hand and lands in a mine field on the edge of the lava pit?  There's no way you're going to be able to retrieve it without a kitchenaid stand mixer and no one has one with them obviously.  Would will call hook you up with a hard ticket?

All I know is, thanks to shrooms, the barcodes on my tickets have been constantly changing since '96.

Also, Facebook is for olds. Your 86yo grandmother is on there because it's for 86yo grandmothers.

First of all, LOL at the first line.  Second of all, a chuckle at the second line, which is funny even as it is off the mark.  For the record:

88 percent of online users ages 18-29 are on Facebook.
84 percent of online users ages 30-49 are on Facebook.
72 percent of online users ages 50-64 are on Facebook.
62 percent of online users ages 65+ are on Facebook.

The older you are, the less likely you are to be on Facebook.

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

BF25394 said:

(sigh) I said I'd pay for the option to print the ticket.  Read the thread.  The venues already print tickets for other events.  They do this every day.  It doesn't require new technology.  It doesn't require new people to be hired.  The cost is de minimis.  As previously mentioned, I recently paid $5 to print hard tickets for Wilco shows.  I was fine with that, even though I know it doesn't cost the ticketing agency $5 to print and mail the tickets.  There were no complaints that I had to pay more because I don't have a smartphone, even as you falsely assume that such complaints would naturally follow.

Again, why does this matter to you?  It does not affect you.  Why are so many of you so eager to see other fans excluded when they could be easily accommodated-- JUST LIKE WAS DONE FOR THE LAST SET OF SHOWS?  No one is trying to take your smartphone or your ability to use it as a ticket away from you.

Correct, I did miss your mentions of being willing to pay. We are up to 5 pages now, so please forgive me.

You are also correct that it does not matter to me directly, or affect me in any way, as I've had a smart phone since 2007. But what is the point of the forum if not to engage in discourse, and possibly shed light on subjects in contexts not otherwise considered by those posing the questions (or, as it were in some cases, outright complaining)?

Should this thread only consist of folks who don't have smartphones, commiserating and congratulating each other for not giving in to societal norms?

NEweather

 I still wish could get hard copy tixs if possible. Over the past few years lately- I have gone paperless, but this'll be my 1st time paperless to see This band. I'm an (elderly) person, frm a small town, not on fb, &posting frm a dumb-ass (android) smart phone. I just wanna see PJ Live-cuz they're awesome! I hope you all get what you Need to do just That! 

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

BF25394 said:

Saltzy23 said:

mookieblalock said:

BF25394 said: So, no, I'm not mad.  I am annoyed by people like you who, rather than just staying out of a conversation that doesn't pertain to you, instead choose to cast aspersions on people who are not like you based on flawed assumptions and analogies.  You're not going to convince me to get a smartphone or make me feel bad about not having one, and I'm not going to convince you to give yours up (nor have I even tried to do this even implicitly-- I hope you and your smartphone continue making each other happy for many years to come).  So how about let's just let the Ten Club address the issue, as they did in the distant dark age of 2018 and hopefully will again in the dystopian future of 2020.

Don’t be a victim, nobody cast aspersions at anyone. I grew up poor. I don’t have a Facebook account. I have a beater smartphone because I know it’s a requirement to live in the modern world. Adapt or be left behind.

Pretty much.

Again, forget about getting into a PJ show.

What exactly is your gameplan when vendors stop taking cash for a lot of purchases?  Or when all your friends dont understand why you cant just Venmo them money and need to give them paper money whenever you owe them.

PJ is not really cramming this down anyone's throat. They are just reflecting the current state of how humans handle this stuff nowadays.

Cash is not going anywhere, my friend.  And I've never had anyone complain about me giving them cash when I owe them money.

Who said anything about cramming this down people's throats?  I am not asking Pearl Jam to abandon mobile ticketing.  I am asking Pearl Jam whether they plan to, in recognition of the fact that a small but real number of its loyal fans do not have the requisite technology, arrange for an easy accommodation that already exists at every venue that costs the band nothing and that they have previously provided.

You mean the loophole all scalpers exploit to sell you tickets for 5x face value?  Your reference to Wilco offering to print tickets for $5.00 would defeat the whole purpose of PJ trying to eliminate or minimize scalpers.  Every scalper can pick up their tickets in will-call and sell them outside.  checking ID's against tickets in 15k+ seat venues isn't a realistic option.

huntersthompson

NEweather said:

 I still wish could get hard copy tixs if possible. Over the past few years lately- I have gone paperless, but this'll be my 1st time paperless to see This band. I'm an (elderly) person, frm a small town, not on fb, &posting frm a dumb-ass (android) smart phone. I just wanna see PJ Live-cuz they're awesome! I hope you all get what you Need to do just That! 

You can....it was offered as a "commemorative" ticket for $10 just before checking out for the show lottery.  It indicated that the seat location would be printed on the tickets and that it would be on a Pearl Jam specific ticket....artwork?  Kind of like the Scarab tix that were given to us when PJ wasn't cozy with TM....

mookieblalock

BF25394 said:

mookieblalock said:

OK, Boomer.

Proudly Gen X, actually.  But I take your point that you have no substantive response and should have just stayed out of this.

It’s comforting for you to believe I’ve offered nothing, when actually, I have offered you plenty of substance, you just choose to be “right,” when pretty much everyone in this thread has told you you are being unreasonable. 

NEweather

huntersthompson said:

NEweather said:

 I still wish could get hard copy tixs if possible. Over the past few years lately- I have gone paperless, but this'll be my 1st time paperless to see This band. I'm an (elderly) person, frm a small town, not on fb, &posting frm a dumb-ass (android) smart phone. I just wanna see PJ Live-cuz they're awesome! I hope you all get what you Need to do just That! 

You can....it was offered as a "commemorative" ticket for $10 just before checking out for the show lottery.  It indicated that the seat location would be printed on the tickets and that it would be on a Pearl Jam specific ticket....artwork?  Kind of like the Scarab tix that were given to us when PJ wasn't cozy with TM....

like the one's frm '95- where our names were even printed on one end of it- that we had to send away for back then, cuz of the f-TM thing?   I did check the commemorative option when I entered yesterday...just for personal memory-book stuff

mcrok

I just want to clarify.  So TenClub said we can use someone else's iPhone to access our tickets.  So it is just a matter of opening the app and entering username/password?  It is not somehow tied to the phone that uses your specific phone number?  Just need to know for a friend, thanks.

Hawk123

mcrok said:

I just want to clarify.  So TenClub said we can use someone else's iPhone to access our tickets.  So it is just a matter of opening the app and entering username/password?  It is not somehow tied to the phone that uses your specific phone number?  Just need to know for a friend, thanks.

Since it’s all through TM now you likely just login to your account, scan the barcode on the way in and you’re done 

jazzbo26

NEweather said:

huntersthompson said:

NEweather said:

 I still wish could get hard copy tixs if possible. Over the past few years lately- I have gone paperless, but this'll be my 1st time paperless to see This band. I'm an (elderly) person, frm a small town, not on fb, &posting frm a dumb-ass (android) smart phone. I just wanna see PJ Live-cuz they're awesome! I hope you all get what you Need to do just That! 

You can....it was offered as a "commemorative" ticket for $10 just before checking out for the show lottery.  It indicated that the seat location would be printed on the tickets and that it would be on a Pearl Jam specific ticket....artwork?  Kind of like the Scarab tix that were given to us when PJ wasn't cozy with TM....

like the one's frm '95- where our names were even printed on one end of it- that we had to send away for back then, cuz of the f-TM thing?   I did check the commemorative option when I entered yesterday...just for personal memory-book stuff

My mom’s name was printed on my tix, for I was 20 and did not have a credit card. Oh to be that young again!