2020 Fall North American rumour thread

ComeToTX

We’ll go back to work gradually. We won’t have mass gatherings until we have a reliable treatment, a vaccine or herd immunity. 

droptheleash9

We’ll come back slowly but stronger than ever, like we always do. There’s a fundamental sticktoitiveness and propensity for perseverance in all of us that will
makes us band together. More specifically to the fans of this band and members of this forum, if we all make it out to the other side of this thing we will be stronger than ever.

”Share the light, won’t hold us down”

Weston1283

Once a titer is developed, people who have the antibodies (people who have recovered, whether they showed symptoms or not) can definitely get back to work 

Lerxst1992

Coming back is contingent on a treatment.

Mortals in charge who guess as to the best exit strategy can not fix the economy. The virus is in charge until our medical research community figures this one out.

Unless we are willing to live within a Leftovers plot. 

RatherStarved

Lerxst1992 said:

primussucks said:

PJNB said:

primussucks said:

My point is with the vaccine not likely coming until 2021 is that if we open things back up again this summer it is basically a guarantee that a few short months later we will be right back in the situation we are currently in.

And if we do not open back up we be under an economical collapse that none of our generation has ever seen. I think we need to balance both with opening things back up when we are ready and closing in areas that need it when clusters start forming again. Where this puts sports, concerts and school for 2020 and early 2021 I have no clue. 

Completely agree!  Unfortunately this is the reality we are facing!

The economy has already changed on a fundamental level

If we rush back into public too soon, we could increase the damage to the economy, by scaring people more than they are scared now, by forcing them back into crowded public spaces. If that leads to a new outbreak, goodbye economy and goodbye any trust in our leadership. That might be the action that shakes some of the 40% off of the trump base.  At least we have security now by staying isolated if we choose.

Many industries may not be back until we have a treatment. Professional sports, restaurants, airlines, theater, nightclubs, amusement parks, etc.

Trust in leadership cannot be lost in any meaningful way because it is already virtually non-existent.  

I agree there has to be a treatment before we can really normalize things.  

Hankj25

I would add the following items that could help the world slowly return to what the new normal is. 

Testing at home. If these tests can get mass produced so that folks can self test, that would be a great thing to slow any potential flare ups.  It would also go a long way if tests are available to show that you’ve developed immunity.  

Treatments will come. The entire world is working on this and a vaccine. I always believe science will be the beacon.  Hopefully by the late fall.  

The healthcare system will be be beefed up. PPE, ventilators won’t be in short supply come this fall. The risk of a serious overwhelm of the hospitals should be reduced. You will be able to buy hand sanitizer again soon!

Additionally, human behavior will change. We will wash our hands more often, many will now avoid crowds, and stay at home more often. We will wipe stuff down, avoid handrails, pay attention to our surfaces.  Disinfecting will now be a part of all our public buildings routine cleaning services.  Movies, concerts and sports will all see a serious decline in attendance, even if we get the all clear.  

Finally, while we are a long way from herd immunity, we do have lots of folks who have it. The test results probably only account for 20-30% of the people who actually got it. Could be closer to 40-50% in major metro areas if it is true that kids were getting it prior to schools shut down. So that in and of itself could mean that the next wave of infection won’t be nearly as devastating. 

I suspect a phased approach will be used.  Small business like hair salons, eye doctors, dry cleaners will open. Offices will open but people will stay distanced. You may see restaurants reopen but be capped at 50% occupancy, etc. I think you will see baseball and football played in empty stadiums.

I want to see this band live as much as anyone, but even with all the items I list above, I feel like best case for concerts is probably 2021.  

Root for the scientists kids!

CO278952

I had a flu shot in the fall (vaccine) and still got the flu a few weeks ago...

Zod

Lerxst1992 said:

Coming back is contingent on a treatment.

Mortals in charge who guess as to the best exit strategy can not fix the economy. The virus is in charge until our medical research community figures this one out.

Unless we are willing to live within a Leftovers plot. 

I feel like people undermine the economic argument.  Like people are going to stay in their home as they're losing them kind of thing. 

It's not really just the option of a leftovers plot.   If there's no solution within a few months.  Then it's Leftover's plot vs. Massive Economic Depression.   I think the latter would cause civil unrest.  It's easier to get people to stay in their homes right now because they still have savings and the government is spending money to stretch out that period of time.   Once the money dries up... it's going to be challenging.

I need to be more positive though.   Maybe Social Distancing will work better than expect.  Maybe a cure or vaccine gets developed sooner rather than later.   Maybe there's an amazing subplot where there were way more people without symptoms then we thought and we find out way more of the population got it and became immune to it than we thought.  You never know what could happen in a few months.

JPPJ84

CO278952 said:

I had a flu shot in the fall (vaccine) and still got the flu a few weeks ago...

Doesn’t the flu shot provide only about 40-80% immunity? I think it’s because the virus changes a lot.

D-Rod

CO278952 said:

I had a flu shot in the fall (vaccine) and still got the flu a few weeks ago...

Are you sure it was the flu?  I also received the flu shot back in November and got really sick around Christmas time.   I had a dry cough (which I never get) , fever and my throat was so bad I was convinced I had tonsillitis. 

    There is now many articles stating that Covid-19 was circulating North America as early as late November.  

     I will never know if I had it or not but it’s something to consider. 

    

Hawk123

Zod said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Coming back is contingent on a treatment.

Mortals in charge who guess as to the best exit strategy can not fix the economy. The virus is in charge until our medical research community figures this one out.

Unless we are willing to live within a Leftovers plot. 

I feel like people undermine the economic argument.  Like people are going to stay in their home as they're losing them kind of thing. 

It's not really just the option of a leftovers plot.   If there's no solution within a few months.  Then it's Leftover's plot vs. Massive Economic Depression.   I think the latter would cause civil unrest.  It's easier to get people to stay in their homes right now because they still have savings and the government is spending money to stretch out that period of time.   Once the money dries up... it's going to be challenging.

I need to be more positive though.   Maybe Social Distancing will work better than expect.  Maybe a cure or vaccine gets developed sooner rather than later.   Maybe there's an amazing subplot where there were way more people without symptoms then we thought and we find out way more of the population got it and became immune to it than we thought.  You never know what could happen in a few months.

I read that Sweden are taking a completely different approach and one expert believes half the population could have it by the end of April. It will be interesting to see what happens there. 

CO278952

D-Rod said:

CO278952 said:

I had a flu shot in the fall (vaccine) and still got the flu a few weeks ago...

Are you sure it was the flu?  I also received the flu shot back in November and got really sick around Christmas time.   I had a dry cough (which I never get) , fever and my throat was so bad I was convinced I had tonsillitis. 

    There is now many articles stating that Covid-19 was circulating North America as early as late November.  

     I will never know if I had it or not but it’s something to consider. 

    

It was early March and I did test positive for Flu-A

YAKIMATSU

Have any scientists confirmed scientifically that we cannot get this again, aka herd immunity? No. Based on other viruses or infections seems unlikely,  but confirmed,  no. Does any vaccine work for all people?  No. I love science and truly hope for the best, logic is a bitch, though.

Zod

Hawk123 said:

Zod said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Coming back is contingent on a treatment.

Mortals in charge who guess as to the best exit strategy can not fix the economy. The virus is in charge until our medical research community figures this one out.

Unless we are willing to live within a Leftovers plot. 

I feel like people undermine the economic argument.  Like people are going to stay in their home as they're losing them kind of thing. 

It's not really just the option of a leftovers plot.   If there's no solution within a few months.  Then it's Leftover's plot vs. Massive Economic Depression.   I think the latter would cause civil unrest.  It's easier to get people to stay in their homes right now because they still have savings and the government is spending money to stretch out that period of time.   Once the money dries up... it's going to be challenging.

I need to be more positive though.   Maybe Social Distancing will work better than expect.  Maybe a cure or vaccine gets developed sooner rather than later.   Maybe there's an amazing subplot where there were way more people without symptoms then we thought and we find out way more of the population got it and became immune to it than we thought.  You never know what could happen in a few months.

I read that Sweden are taking a completely different approach and one expert believes half the population could have it by the end of April. It will be interesting to see what happens there. 

I read that too.  It'll be interesting to see how that turns out.

Red Mosqito

From everything I've been reading lately, the threat of no sporting or concert events for the remainder of the year could be a real possibility. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/how-long-until-sports-can-return-you-might-not-like-the-answer/ar-BB12akkt?li=BBnb7Kz

Melzombie

What about school? I don't have kids, but feel for those who do. No school for the rest of the year would suck!!! 

RatherStarved

Medical science has to solve this.  It will, but it’s a question of when.  

aidt17

I’m in Ontario, rural ontario, as far as communities go, and I’m quite interested in the economic plan if they figure we are going to keep in this new “locked down quarantine, expect for essential services” ( the new list as of Friday), for the possible 12 - 18 weeks. The government cannot possibly pay for the majority of the work force to stay home for that duration. I just want an idea whats at the other end of the tunnel.  How much is this going to cost us in the long run. 

Hawk123

aidt17 said:

I’m in Ontario, rural ontario, as far as communities go, and I’m quite interested in the economic plan if they figure we are going to keep in this new “locked down quarantine, expect for essential services” ( the new list as of Friday), for the possible 12 - 18 weeks. The government cannot possibly pay for the majority of the work force to stay home for that duration. I just want an idea whats at the other end of the tunnel.  How much is this going to cost us in the long run. 

I hear you, the current wage subsidy and monthly emergency benefit lasts for 4 months. I worry about the inevitable wave 2 after this lockdown and the impact of having to lockdown again and the government not being able to continue the subsidies. 

RatherStarved

PGA has announced new dates for major tournaments.  August 2020 and beyond.