I disagree with that. I think once the band and their crew get shots, I bet we get a MW Radio like live stream of them knocking out about an hour or two of tunes from a beach, and empty club or the warehouse or something.
I’ve seen the hold steady, the oh Sees and Jason Isbell do that this year. I think we’ll see a bunch more before the year is out and I think PJ will be one of them.
The first “Massive Nights” show in 2016, a few weeks after the election, is one of my favorite rock shows that I’ve ever seen. While it wasn’t overtly political, the sense of togetherness and community that they generated felt like the exact right antidote for that moment. Since then it’s become an annual tradition for me and my friends, one of the events I most look forward to every year, and it was a real bummer to not be able to be there in 2020. If they’re able to make it happen this year I’m going to cry like a big ol’ baby.
Those things can pop. That’s what happened to the bubble boy.
1996.....Toronto 2005.....Hamilton 2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton 2013.....London, Buffalo 2014.....Detroit 2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1 2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2 2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto 2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2 2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2 2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
There are some places in this country, like Florida, where legally speaking you can basically do any fucking thing that you want to do vis a vis gatherings. In the near future it will be theoretically possible for bands and promoters to put on shows in those places, making judgments on their own about their comfort level regarding the vaccination levels of the population. Under no circumstances is Pearl Jam going to be one of those bands.
In the non-psychotic parts of the country, the process is going to go like this: 1. A lot of people get vaccinated. 2. A lot more people get vaccinated. 3. Case, hospitalization and death numbers start leveling off, 4. A whole bunch more people get vaccinated. 5. Numbers start going down. 6. Another fuckload of people get vaccinated. 7. Numbers finally reach satisfactory levels. 8. It will once again be permissible to pack thousands of people in one place for a show. 9. Pearl Jam and other bands book shows.
Playing shows before the vaccination effort has translated into acceptable community spread numbers is simply not going to be an option in most states. Will you be able to catch certain shows in Tampa or Dallas this summer? Perhaps. But PJ isn’t going on the road again until things have gotten to a level that’s acceptable in NYC and LA.
I agree with everything you said, but I also think number 9 on your timeline is going to happen well before the end of 2021.
5% of the population here in Massachusetts has already been vaccinated, and the COVID numbers are already starting to plateau, as our governor who is very very strict with COVID announced that he is lifting the curfew and will likely be expanding business capacity limits in 2 weeks.
So that's 5% of the state vaccinated in 1 month, and that is going to happen faster now that Biden is in. So that brings us to what, 60% or so vaccinated by September? I know these are very simple projections in my head but things are starting to move forward at a rate where I would feel comfortable betting on concerts (not Pearl Jam) being back in action by the Fall/ Early winter
I believe you are referring to Massachusetts delivering 360k doses to patients. Since 2 doses are required for the vaccines currently available, that would mean a rate of less than 3% of the state has been fully vaccinated.
Pfizer and Moderna have been steadily delivering about 4.3 million US doses per week, so at 2 doses per person needed, that’s a rate of about 1.3% of the US population per week receiving a full vaccine. Johnson and Johnson could be a game changer since it’s a single dose, but it’s not expected to be available until April. AstraZenica vaccine is not expected to be available in the US anytime soon.
Biden using the Defense Production Act is good news, but the logistics for ramping up the process is a gradual process.
The good news is we can have a significant portion of the 65 and over population vaccinated by the end of March, so fatalities should be significantly decreasing by then. But since the majority of the community will still be subject to potential infection and possibly hospitalization, indoor concerts and sports in the “cautious” states could take until very late 2022 to happen.
There are some places in this country, like Florida, where legally speaking you can basically do any fucking thing that you want to do vis a vis gatherings. In the near future it will be theoretically possible for bands and promoters to put on shows in those places, making judgments on their own about their comfort level regarding the vaccination levels of the population. Under no circumstances is Pearl Jam going to be one of those bands.
In the non-psychotic parts of the country, the process is going to go like this: 1. A lot of people get vaccinated. 2. A lot more people get vaccinated. 3. Case, hospitalization and death numbers start leveling off, 4. A whole bunch more people get vaccinated. 5. Numbers start going down. 6. Another fuckload of people get vaccinated. 7. Numbers finally reach satisfactory levels. 8. It will once again be permissible to pack thousands of people in one place for a show. 9. Pearl Jam and other bands book shows.
Playing shows before the vaccination effort has translated into acceptable community spread numbers is simply not going to be an option in most states. Will you be able to catch certain shows in Tampa or Dallas this summer? Perhaps. But PJ isn’t going on the road again until things have gotten to a level that’s acceptable in NYC and LA.
I agree with everything you said, but I also think number 9 on your timeline is going to happen well before the end of 2021.
5% of the population here in Massachusetts has already been vaccinated, and the COVID numbers are already starting to plateau, as our governor who is very very strict with COVID announced that he is lifting the curfew and will likely be expanding business capacity limits in 2 weeks.
So that's 5% of the state vaccinated in 1 month, and that is going to happen faster now that Biden is in. So that brings us to what, 60% or so vaccinated by September? I know these are very simple projections in my head but things are starting to move forward at a rate where I would feel comfortable betting on concerts (not Pearl Jam) being back in action by the Fall/ Early winter
I believe you are referring to Massachusetts delivering 360k doses to patients. Since 2 doses are required for the vaccines currently available, that would mean a rate of less than 3% of the state has been fully vaccinated.
Pfizer and Moderna have been steadily delivering about 4.3 million US doses per week, so at 2 doses per person needed, that’s a rate of about 1.3% of the US population per week receiving a full vaccine. Johnson and Johnson could be a game changer since it’s a single dose, but it’s not expected to be available until April. AstraZenica vaccine is not expected to be available in the US anytime soon.
Biden using the Defense Production Act is good news, but the logistics for ramping up the process is a gradual process.
The good news is we can have a significant portion of the 65 and over population vaccinated by the end of March, so fatalities should be significantly decreasing by then. But since the majority of the community will still be subject to potential infection and possibly hospitalization, indoor concerts and sports in the “cautious” states could take until very late 2022 to happen.
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are optimized with the 2nd booster injection. I think the number is something like 65-70 % of those who are given either are good to go with the first dose, the booster just magnifies the performance efficacy. A standrd flu shot doesn't even come close to 65-70%. There was hope vaccines would be in the 50-60% effective range when the work first began given the nature of respiratory viruses.
We have only seen phase 1 of the emergency rollout, there is a combined 240 million of these rolling out in the next 120 days. The issue will be distribution, not a lack of quantity.
Apparently the Miami Heat are using COVID sniffing dogs to allow fans back. What could go wrong?
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
General public will have to wait until August for COVID-19 vaccine
Most people in Ottawa will have to wait until at least August before they can expect to be inoculated against COVID-19, a timeline that depends almost solely on the supply of the vaccine.
Not looking good for any shows happening up here in 2021. :(
“I do know that J&J is making a very large supply, going all out with its production, both here in the U.S. and elsewhere around the world, with the goal of having perhaps enough vaccines for 100 million Americans by spring, by this April or so,” said J&J board member Dr. Mark McClellan.
Johnson and Johnson will be submitting their information early next week. They are already ramping up production so its probably going to be good news. This 100M will be on top of additional ones coming from Pfizer and Moderna. I think most adults who want a vaccine will be able to have it by May.
I could definitely see something in the Fall in the US.
Sunfest in Florida which takes place in may has been cancelled
There goes the sun.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
What happens if you have 2020 tickets and dont rejoin the 10C?
Nothing will happen. Those tickets are yours.
Sadly, nothing will happen is right.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
The Weeknd just announced a massive tour for Jan/Feb of 2022, should be a great show hopefully I can make the DC show
Hopefully we get some PJ dates for the same time!
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II 2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
The Weeknd just announced a massive tour for Jan/Feb of 2022, should be a great show hopefully I can make the DC show
Hopefully we get some PJ dates for the same time!
Man I hear ya, but having a full 12 months between tour announcement and the actual shows might drive me insane.
Well over 12 months for a majority of those shows!
...but it does makes sense to tie-in with his upcoming Super Bowl performance. And it was nice to see *any* sort of normal concert announcement.
No doubt, and I can’t wait to start filling up my 2022 show calendar. But Pearl Jam shows are different - for pretty much everyone else I buy tickets, throw an entry on the Google calendar and the ticket confirm in a Gmail folder, then more or less forget about it until like a week before the concert. With PJ I start counting days as soon as the tour is announced.
The Weeknd just announced a massive tour for Jan/Feb of 2022, should be a great show hopefully I can make the DC show
Hopefully we get some PJ dates for the same time!
Man I hear ya, but having a full 12 months between tour announcement and the actual shows might drive me insane.
Well over 12 months for a majority of those shows!
...but it does makes sense to tie-in with his upcoming Super Bowl performance. And it was nice to see *any* sort of normal concert announcement.
No doubt, and I can’t wait to start filling up my 2022 show calendar. But Pearl Jam shows are different - for pretty much everyone else I buy tickets, throw an entry on the Google calendar and the ticket confirm in a Gmail folder, then more or less forget about it until like a week before the concert. With PJ I start counting days as soon as the tour is announced.
Today being Feb. 4, it is now exactly 29 months since the last PJ show. Damn.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
The Weeknd just announced a massive tour for Jan/Feb of 2022, should be a great show hopefully I can make the DC show
Hopefully we get some PJ dates for the same time!
Man I hear ya, but having a full 12 months between tour announcement and the actual shows might drive me insane.
Well over 12 months for a majority of those shows!
...but it does makes sense to tie-in with his upcoming Super Bowl performance. And it was nice to see *any* sort of normal concert announcement.
No doubt, and I can’t wait to start filling up my 2022 show calendar. But Pearl Jam shows are different - for pretty much everyone else I buy tickets, throw an entry on the Google calendar and the ticket confirm in a Gmail folder, then more or less forget about it until like a week before the concert. With PJ I start counting days as soon as the tour is announced.
Today being Feb. 4, it is now exactly 29 months since the last PJ show. Damn.
Hopping over to catch two shows in Europe 2018 continues to be one of the best decisions I’ve made.
“I do know that J&J is making a very large supply, going all out with its production, both here in the U.S. and elsewhere around the world, with the goal of having perhaps enough vaccines for 100 million Americans by spring, by this April or so,” said J&J board member Dr. Mark McClellan.
Johnson and Johnson will be submitting their information early next week. They are already ramping up production so its probably going to be good news. This 100M will be on top of additional ones coming from Pfizer and Moderna. I think most adults who want a vaccine will be able to have it by May.
I could definitely see something in the Fall in the US.
More virtue-signaling and blaming citizens trying to live somewhat normal lives instead of the decision-makers?
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2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Pfizer and Moderna have been steadily delivering about 4.3 million US doses per week, so at 2 doses per person needed, that’s a rate of about 1.3% of the US population per week receiving a full vaccine. Johnson and Johnson could be a game changer since it’s a single dose, but it’s not expected to be available until April. AstraZenica vaccine is not expected to be available in the US anytime soon.
The good news is we can have a significant portion of the 65 and over population vaccinated by the end of March, so fatalities should be significantly decreasing by then. But since the majority of the community will still be subject to potential infection and possibly hospitalization, indoor concerts and sports in the “cautious” states could take until very late 2022 to happen.
We have only seen phase 1 of the emergency rollout, there is a combined 240 million of these rolling out in the next 120 days. The issue will be distribution, not a lack of quantity.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Jimmy Fallon had a good point.
If loss of smell is one of the things that can happen from COVID, how do we know the dogs are as effective a few weeks later?
General public will have to wait until August for COVID-19 vaccine
Most people in Ottawa will have to wait until at least August before they can expect to be inoculated against COVID-19, a timeline that depends almost solely on the supply of the vaccine.
Not looking good for any shows happening up here in 2021. :(
Johnson and Johnson will be submitting their information early next week. They are already ramping up production so its probably going to be good news. This 100M will be on top of additional ones coming from Pfizer and Moderna. I think most adults who want a vaccine will be able to have it by May.
I could definitely see something in the Fall in the US.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
We're a long way from bands with fans who travel all over the world.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Hopefully we get some PJ dates for the same time!
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
...but it does makes sense to tie-in with his upcoming Super Bowl performance. And it was nice to see *any* sort of normal concert announcement.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023