Dreamforce -Eddie Vedder

PB11041

vaggar99 said:

PB11041 said:

vaggar99 said:

Seabird said:

on2legs said:

Seabird said:

Santos L. Halper said:

This falls under the EV No recording policy. Vids reported.

It actually doesn’t as I was there and everyone was taking pics and filming. Eddie was a guest of Salesforce. 

I was driving today and most of the people on the road were exceeding the speed limit.  So... does that mean the law doesn’t apply and we can’t get a ticket?

If he was really being a hard ass about cameras and filming it would have been advised on the way into the theater.  Again he was a guest of the conference and taking a $150K appearance fee so he can’t really set the rules like one of his own shows. If it was a deal breaker he didn’t have to show up.

anyone remember this?:

or he learned that with his and the bands stature they have the ability to try and shift people that have the ability to pull financial levers to do things that are helpful beyond just their bottom line to do well in business.

if we are in a world where it is a zero sum game and all "corporations" are bad, then we have no fundamental understanding of world economics and geo-politics.  

working feverishly and positively within the system to make changes is far more useful than just barking at it like a junkyard dog hoping for something to happen.

or maybe he just does what suits him at the time?

vaggar99

PB11041 said:

vaggar99 said:

PB11041 said:

vaggar99 said:

Seabird said:

on2legs said:

Seabird said:

Santos L. Halper said:

This falls under the EV No recording policy. Vids reported.

It actually doesn’t as I was there and everyone was taking pics and filming. Eddie was a guest of Salesforce. 

I was driving today and most of the people on the road were exceeding the speed limit.  So... does that mean the law doesn’t apply and we can’t get a ticket?

If he was really being a hard ass about cameras and filming it would have been advised on the way into the theater.  Again he was a guest of the conference and taking a $150K appearance fee so he can’t really set the rules like one of his own shows. If it was a deal breaker he didn’t have to show up.

anyone remember this?:

or he learned that with his and the bands stature they have the ability to try and shift people that have the ability to pull financial levers to do things that are helpful beyond just their bottom line to do well in business.

if we are in a world where it is a zero sum game and all "corporations" are bad, then we have no fundamental understanding of world economics and geo-politics.  

working feverishly and positively within the system to make changes is far more useful than just barking at it like a junkyard dog hoping for something to happen.

or maybe he just does what suits him at the time?

yeah and adulthood is a bitch.

RS65573

I don’t care what Ed does but I would appreciate if the fan club could give us til a weekend to at least see the YouTube Before banning it. I get u don’t want it shared and all that but when u immediately ban it, u make it so only the really rich got to see it. And that’s not cool or the point is it?

RS65573

Right now I’d love to see here comes the sun from this night. 

Save all the toys. For the little rich boys. 

1ThoughtKnown

I’m reading Marc Benioff’s latest book “Trailblazer” and the Salesforce corporate vision of stakeholders being as important as shareholders would be something EV would align with.  It’s a good read, highly recommend it.  Corporations with a conscience... quite a concept.  

BelieveYouMe

RS65573 said:

I don’t care what Ed does but I would appreciate if the fan club could give us til a weekend to at least see the YouTube Before banning it. I get u don’t want it shared and all that but when u immediately ban it, u make it so only the really rich got to see it. And that’s not cool or the point is it?

I don't understand this either.  Obviously, Eddie can make decisions about his own product, but his policy is enforced to such an extreme that it feels very fan unfriendly.  The banned grainy footage was recorded by multiple attendees with shaky, hand-held cellphones.  No one is going to profit by posting these clips.

mrk2

A guest at a conference hosted by large company performs cover songs written by other artists. Someone from the audience films the thing. Filming has been not been forbidden by the organiser of the event. Who owns the rights to the footage? 

darthvedder

BelieveYouMe said:

RS65573 said:

I don’t care what Ed does but I would appreciate if the fan club could give us til a weekend to at least see the YouTube Before banning it. I get u don’t want it shared and all that but when u immediately ban it, u make it so only the really rich got to see it. And that’s not cool or the point is it?

I don't understand this either.  Obviously, Eddie can make decisions about his own product, but his policy is enforced to such an extreme that it feels very fan unfriendly.  The banned grainy footage was recorded by multiple attendees with shaky, hand-held cellphones.  No one is going to profit by posting these clips.

Apparently, this performance is Not For You. Or me. Or any of us.

I went to Bloc Party at the Masonic on Wednesday night and had a blast. I was just a few miles away from Ed, but I've never felt as far away from my fandom of Ed as I do right now.

vaggar99

darthvedder said:

BelieveYouMe said:

RS65573 said:

I don’t care what Ed does but I would appreciate if the fan club could give us til a weekend to at least see the YouTube Before banning it. I get u don’t want it shared and all that but when u immediately ban it, u make it so only the really rich got to see it. And that’s not cool or the point is it?

I don't understand this either.  Obviously, Eddie can make decisions about his own product, but his policy is enforced to such an extreme that it feels very fan unfriendly.  The banned grainy footage was recorded by multiple attendees with shaky, hand-held cellphones.  No one is going to profit by posting these clips.

Apparently, this performance is Not For You. Or me. Or any of us.

I went to Bloc Party at the Masonic on Wednesday night and had a blast. I was just a few miles away from Ed, but I've never felt as far away from my fandom of Ed as I do right now.

that last statement.

RS65573

vaggar99 said:

darthvedder said:

BelieveYouMe said:

RS65573 said:

I don’t care what Ed does but I would appreciate if the fan club could give us til a weekend to at least see the YouTube Before banning it. I get u don’t want it shared and all that but when u immediately ban it, u make it so only the really rich got to see it. And that’s not cool or the point is it?

I don't understand this either.  Obviously, Eddie can make decisions about his own product, but his policy is enforced to such an extreme that it feels very fan unfriendly.  The banned grainy footage was recorded by multiple attendees with shaky, hand-held cellphones.  No one is going to profit by posting these clips.

Apparently, this performance is Not For You. Or me. Or any of us.

I went to Bloc Party at the Masonic on Wednesday night and had a blast. I was just a few miles away from Ed, but I've never felt as far away from my fandom of Ed as I do right now.

that last statement.

Indeed.

pjl44

It's not for the rich. 150,000 people attend this thing. It's a software conference. With this kind of demand they should release a Live at Dreamforce Blu-ray.

cp3iverson

Everyone always thinks these events and Oracle were played to a bunch of 1 percenters.  

Its more like thousands and thousands of Middle class workers who got sent there by their job.  Its no exclusive club other than maybe most folks having an IT or a sales job.  Most attendees household budgets would take a Huge hit if they traveled and paid for this conference out of pocket so Its always cool tho when they’re able to book big bands for these people to have a nice night out.  and in most cases you can buy just the entertainment pass for cheap from the website and never have to attend

How is this different from the band playing a corporate festival like ACL/Lollapalooza/Coachella or them playing the MTV award shows that everyone loves to rewatch?   Every big band wants these gigs and no reputation is taking a hit from this.  I skipped one conference a few months ago and the music lineup was Weezer, the Foo Fighters, and a few indie bands.  That sounds like a decent night out when you’re visiting a cool city. 

vogonpoetbythelake

Sounds uplifting and like a good investment in professional development ...

pjl44

cp3iverson said:

Everyone always thinks these events and Oracle were played to a bunch of 1 percenters.  

Its more like thousands and thousands of Middle class workers who got sent there by their job.  Its no exclusive club other than maybe most folks having an IT or a sales job.  Most attendees household budgets would take a Huge hit if they traveled and paid for this conference out of pocket so Its always cool tho when they’re able to book big bands for these people to have a nice night out.  and in most cases you can buy just the entertainment pass for cheap from the website and never have to attend

How is this different from the band playing a corporate festival like ACL/Lollapalooza/Coachella or them playing the MTV award shows that everyone loves to rewatch?   Every big band wants these gigs and no reputation is taking a hit from this.  I skipped one conference a few months ago and the music lineup was Weezer, the Foo Fighters, and a few indie bands.  That sounds like a decent night out when you’re visiting a cool city. 

This is exactly how our CRM guys described it to me. They could have gone this year but didn't. They also echoed what other people have said about how the draw for speakers is Salesforce cutting a check to charity. I don't know anything about this myself, but it certainly lines up and seems like a worthwhile use of time for him in my book.

vaggar99

pjl44 said:

cp3iverson said:

Everyone always thinks these events and Oracle were played to a bunch of 1 percenters.  

Its more like thousands and thousands of Middle class workers who got sent there by their job.  Its no exclusive club other than maybe most folks having an IT or a sales job.  Most attendees household budgets would take a Huge hit if they traveled and paid for this conference out of pocket so Its always cool tho when they’re able to book big bands for these people to have a nice night out.  and in most cases you can buy just the entertainment pass for cheap from the website and never have to attend

How is this different from the band playing a corporate festival like ACL/Lollapalooza/Coachella or them playing the MTV award shows that everyone loves to rewatch?   Every big band wants these gigs and no reputation is taking a hit from this.  I skipped one conference a few months ago and the music lineup was Weezer, the Foo Fighters, and a few indie bands.  That sounds like a decent night out when you’re visiting a cool city. 

This is exactly how our CRM guys described it to me. They could have gone this year but didn't. They also echoed what other people have said about how the draw for speakers is Salesforce cutting a check to charity. I don't know anything about this myself, but it certainly lines up and seems like a worthwhile use of time for him in my book.

this sounds reasonable. 

ComeToTX

cp3iverson said:

Everyone always thinks these events and Oracle were played to a bunch of 1 percenters.  

Its more like thousands and thousands of Middle class workers who got sent there by their job.  Its no exclusive club other than maybe most folks having an IT or a sales job.  Most attendees household budgets would take a Huge hit if they traveled and paid for this conference out of pocket so Its always cool tho when they’re able to book big bands for these people to have a nice night out.  and in most cases you can buy just the entertainment pass for cheap from the website and never have to attend

How is this different from the band playing a corporate festival like ACL/Lollapalooza/Coachella or them playing the MTV award shows that everyone loves to rewatch?   Every big band wants these gigs and no reputation is taking a hit from this.  I skipped one conference a few months ago and the music lineup was Weezer, the Foo Fighters, and a few indie bands.  That sounds like a decent night out when you’re visiting a cool city. 

It’s different from festivals because everyone can’t buy a ticket. 

cp3iverson

ComeToTX said:

cp3iverson said:

Everyone always thinks these events and Oracle were played to a bunch of 1 percenters.  

Its more like thousands and thousands of Middle class workers who got sent there by their job.  Its no exclusive club other than maybe most folks having an IT or a sales job.  Most attendees household budgets would take a Huge hit if they traveled and paid for this conference out of pocket so Its always cool tho when they’re able to book big bands for these people to have a nice night out.  and in most cases you can buy just the entertainment pass for cheap from the website and never have to attend

How is this different from the band playing a corporate festival like ACL/Lollapalooza/Coachella or them playing the MTV award shows that everyone loves to rewatch?   Every big band wants these gigs and no reputation is taking a hit from this.  I skipped one conference a few months ago and the music lineup was Weezer, the Foo Fighters, and a few indie bands.  That sounds like a decent night out when you’re visiting a cool city. 

It’s different from festivals because everyone can’t buy a ticket. 

you can for the majority of them.  Thats how I've taken my wife to the shows.  

My main point is that something like ACL or Coachella is sponsored by a huge number of Fortune 500 companies.  Bands want those gigs because the paychecks are massive, even if you’re playing at 1pm.  On top of that you’re playing the Honda stage or the Pepsi stage and your webcast is presented by Pizza Hut.  How is Salesforce, Cisco, or Oracle a sin?

Spiritual_Chaos

ComeToTX said:

cp3iverson said:

Everyone always thinks these events and Oracle were played to a bunch of 1 percenters.  

Its more like thousands and thousands of Middle class workers who got sent there by their job.  Its no exclusive club other than maybe most folks having an IT or a sales job.  Most attendees household budgets would take a Huge hit if they traveled and paid for this conference out of pocket so Its always cool tho when they’re able to book big bands for these people to have a nice night out.  and in most cases you can buy just the entertainment pass for cheap from the website and never have to attend

How is this different from the band playing a corporate festival like ACL/Lollapalooza/Coachella or them playing the MTV award shows that everyone loves to rewatch?   Every big band wants these gigs and no reputation is taking a hit from this.  I skipped one conference a few months ago and the music lineup was Weezer, the Foo Fighters, and a few indie bands.  That sounds like a decent night out when you’re visiting a cool city. 

It’s different from festivals because everyone can’t buy a ticket. 

At least all of others can look it up afterwards on youtube. 

Oh, the marvels of technology

ComeToTX

cp3iverson said:

ComeToTX said:

cp3iverson said:

Everyone always thinks these events and Oracle were played to a bunch of 1 percenters.  

Its more like thousands and thousands of Middle class workers who got sent there by their job.  Its no exclusive club other than maybe most folks having an IT or a sales job.  Most attendees household budgets would take a Huge hit if they traveled and paid for this conference out of pocket so Its always cool tho when they’re able to book big bands for these people to have a nice night out.  and in most cases you can buy just the entertainment pass for cheap from the website and never have to attend

How is this different from the band playing a corporate festival like ACL/Lollapalooza/Coachella or them playing the MTV award shows that everyone loves to rewatch?   Every big band wants these gigs and no reputation is taking a hit from this.  I skipped one conference a few months ago and the music lineup was Weezer, the Foo Fighters, and a few indie bands.  That sounds like a decent night out when you’re visiting a cool city. 

It’s different from festivals because everyone can’t buy a ticket. 

you can for the majority of them.  Thats how I've taken my wife to the shows.  

My main point is that something like ACL or Coachella is sponsored by a huge number of Fortune 500 companies.  Bands want those gigs because the paychecks are massive, even if you’re playing at 1pm.  On top of that you’re playing the Honda stage or the Pepsi stage and your webcast is presented by Pizza Hut.  How is Salesforce, Cisco, or Oracle a sin?

i never said it was a sin.  i'm saying it's not the same because it's not.  for acl fest we get an announcement of the shows months ahead of time and a chance to buy tickets.  this is nothing like that.

vaggar99

for me, seeing Ed do solo stuff is not particularly interesting.  And that's sort of at the core of my frustration with stuff like this.  i'll leave it there for now.