I'm new here. I have a couple of ?s. Assuming PJ does Toronto & Hamilton, which venues will they play? Also, will the California tix be as difficult to get as NYC? I'm actually 30 miles from NYC, but will be out of the country during the middle portion of the tour. thx
I'm new here. I have a couple of ?s. Assuming PJ does Toronto & Hamilton, which venues will they play? Also, will the California tix be as difficult to get as NYC? I'm actually 30 miles from NYC, but will be out of the country during the middle portion of the tour. thx
I am thinking that the Cali tix will be tough, they pretty much all will be. NYC and the Canada shows will be the two toughest followed by LA then Nashville/San Diego/oakland, the least difficult will most likely be Midwest/Phoenix.
just my opinion. I don’t stress though, you try for 10c tix to the one show you really want to go to, and figure out the rest. Ticket buddy is a good route
I'm new here. I have a couple of ?s. Assuming PJ does Toronto & Hamilton, which venues will they play? Also, will the California tix be as difficult to get as NYC? I'm actually 30 miles from NYC, but will be out of the country during the middle portion of the tour. thx
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Dimi had a bunch of “U”’s highlighted in a post the other day.... could it be a hint for Utah?
Last time they were here in Utah in '09, they played the Maverick Center (E-center back then), a smaller arena used for Olympic and minor league hockey and it was maybe 60% full. Only PJ show I have ever been too that was not full. Doubt they are coming back here anytime soon...
I'm new here. I have a couple of ?s. Assuming PJ does Toronto & Hamilton, which venues will they play? Also, will the California tix be as difficult to get as NYC? I'm actually 30 miles from NYC, but will be out of the country during the middle portion of the tour. thx
My wife and I both have 10C numbers (mine being quite a bit lower). For the upcoming Spring tour we were thinking of each entering the lottery for tickets, hoping for as many GAs as possible (Nashville, two Canadian shows). What is the best way to do this? My thought:
My Entry: 1st - Nashville GA 2nd - Quebec City GA 3rd - Ottawa GA 4th - Nashville Reserved 5th - QC Reserved 6th - Ottawa Reserved
Her Entry: 1st - Nashville GA 2nd - QC GA 3rd - Ottawa GA
My thought here is that I should be the only one entering for reserved seats since my number is lower. And if we both happen to win GA tickets for the same show, we shouldn’t have too much trouble finding two people who want to tag along.
Note: the order of the shows in our entries could differ depending on odds.
I'd need to review some of the older posts from past tours but I think that it would be rare for anyone to get GA with a third choice. Its difficult to tell without the odds but I'd suggest that with your current choices you'd have a very good chance of getting Nashville GA but a very small chance to get anything else. Here's what I'd go with:
My Entry: 1st - Quebec City GA 2nd - Nashville Reserved 3rd - QC Reserved 4th - Ottawa Reserved
Her Entry: 1st - Nashville GA 2nd - Ottawa GA
This gives you a decent chance of getting GA for QC and Nashville and an outside shot of getting Ottawa GA. The only drawbacks I see would be you'd have a low overall chance for getting tickets to Ottawa. You have a chance of getting a double pair for any show but the biggest risk would be Nashville. But the odds tool will help you with the order.
The only thing I may change would move your 4th choice to her 3rd choice. You'd have a better chance to get reserved tickets to Ottawa with no chance of duplicate tickets. But that would depend on the odds and how bad her number is.
It would be important to know which ticket system it will be - “classic” will call tickets where you can unload an extra pair to another member(s), or “2018 Stadium” electronic tickets where you can only transfer one ticket per pair. If it’s the second it will make it more risky to go for the same show on both accounts.
Dimi had a bunch of “U”’s highlighted in a post the other day.... could it be a hint for Utah?
Last time they were here in Utah in '09, they played the Maverick Center (E-center back then), a smaller arena used for Olympic and minor league hockey and it was maybe 60% full. Only PJ show I have ever been too that was not full. Doubt they are coming back here anytime soon...
I hear you.. But a lot has changed in 11 years.. They are now a "legacy act" for the casual fans and are drawing much bigger demand than even 5-10 years ago.. I think they could sell out the Vivint smart arena easily now?
Dimi had a bunch of “U”’s highlighted in a post the other day.... could it be a hint for Utah?
Last time they were here in Utah in '09, they played the Maverick Center (E-center back then), a smaller arena used for Olympic and minor league hockey and it was maybe 60% full. Only PJ show I have ever been too that was not full. Doubt they are coming back here anytime soon...
I hear you.. But a lot has changed in 11 years.. They are now a "legacy act" for the casual fans and are drawing much bigger demand than even 5-10 years ago.. I think they could sell out the Vivint smart arena easily now?
Difference between 2010 and 2014 St. Louis shows was night and day. 2010 had both ends of the upper deck empty and in 2014 even behind the stage was pretty full.
I'm just sitting here, reading posts from doubters and haters about how there's no time for a spring tour, maybe the album will be out in the fall for a few stadiums...
And I'm laughing.
Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
I just wish they'd play Columbus. Easy road access from Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, DC, NYC...direct flights from Seattle, DC...
A drive from Boston is easy...the flight is easier.
We're within a day's drive of some ungodly percentage of the US population...and even Toronto, too.
But... crickets...
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Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
For what’s it’s worth, 2016 spring tour was announced and the lottery was open on a Tuesday, closing the following Monday. Drawing was about 2.5 months from. First show of the tour.
I just wish they'd play Columbus. Easy road access from Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, DC, NYC...direct flights from Seattle, DC...
A drive from Boston is easy...the flight is easier.
We're within a day's drive of some ungodly percentage of the US population...and even Toronto, too.
But... crickets...
No offense, but all that said you are still Columbus, OH. Indianapolis. Louisville. Lexington. All names that get shows every 10 years or so (or never).
I just wish they'd play Columbus. Easy road access from Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, DC, NYC...direct flights from Seattle, DC...
A drive from Boston is easy...the flight is easier.
We're within a day's drive of some ungodly percentage of the US population...and even Toronto, too.
But... crickets...
No offense, but all that said you are still Columbus, OH. Indianapolis. Louisville. Lexington. All names that get shows every 10 years or so (or never).
They’ve flat out said they don’t play Louisville due to the ticketing policies at the arena.
Dimi had a bunch of “U”’s highlighted in a post the other day.... could it be a hint for Utah?
Last time they were here in Utah in '09, they played the Maverick Center (E-center back then), a smaller arena used for Olympic and minor league hockey and it was maybe 60% full. Only PJ show I have ever been too that was not full. Doubt they are coming back here anytime soon...
I hear you.. But a lot has changed in 11 years.. They are now a "legacy act" for the casual fans and are drawing much bigger demand than even 5-10 years ago.. I think they could sell out the Vivint smart arena easily now?
Difference between 2010 and 2014 St. Louis shows was night and day. 2010 had both ends of the upper deck empty and in 2014 even behind the stage was pretty full.
yep.. They have graduated to "bucket list band" for the casual fan or just a music fan that hasn't seen them perform before. So us die hard 10clubbers have to battle each other for tickets, and also the casuals.
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
I'm not sure how many members truly understand what the odds tool tells you. It gives a good indication on the demand for a specific show but it really doesn't give you an accurate idea of your likelihood of winning tickets. This is because the odds only compare the number of total entries for a show versus the number of tickets available.
If you enter NYC GA as your tenth choice your chance of getting tickets is 0%. Historically the GA for high demand shows doesn't get past the #1 choice pool. But the odds tool doesn't provide data broken up by choice order (it doesn't seem too hard to provide this breakdown).
For an example, say there are 2000 pairs of GA ticket for a show. The club gets 5000 entries in the 1st choice pool, 2500 entries in the 2nd choice pool, and 2500 entries in the 3rd and higher pools. That's a total of 10000 entries for 2000 pairs of tickets. The odds tool should report 2000/10000 = 0.2 = 20%. But the odds actually are 40% for the first choice pool and 0% for everyone else.
Thanks for going thru this, you said it very clearly.
I commented about first pick odds because quite a few out of town fans are saying wouldn’t it be cool to see them in Balt or NY
My point is if you are not near the east coast or live near California, the way this tour is shaping up, picking NY or Balt is almost like throwing your pick away if it’s just as easy for a fan to see them anywhere else
Lets say 100,000 fans want to see a show east of the Mississippi and another 100,000 fans want to see a show west of the Mississippi. Let’s assume each group will equally divide their selections for either the 2 East shows or 6 Cali/LV shows. Let’s also assume there will be 3000 winning GA draws per show to simplify. So westerners will have six rounds of picks and easterners will have two shows picked. But in reality for these shows only pick one will matter.
This comes to about 17000 fans per west coast show and 50,000 fans per East coast show hoping for a winning draw. Since it’s likely all tickets will be gone in round one, the odds are fairly reasonable out west at 18% and in the east at 6%, even if the 10 club has both officially listed at 3%.
the odds are probably even lower for the eastern shows for two reasons:
1- population density in the east is much greater = more fans wanting in. Plus Europe fans willing to try NY
2- one of the 2 East venues is extremely small; and the other is notorious for industry insiders grabbing tons of tickets for themselves limiting total available for fans.
Short tours in the US. It is going to be very difficult to get even one pair of tickets from the 10C going forward, especially if going after a major market.
Omg.... no announcement yet and all the moaning about not getting tickets! Get a life people, the continent of Australia and a billion living things on it is under attack by firestorms ..... perspective...
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
I'm not sure how many members truly understand what the odds tool tells you. It gives a good indication on the demand for a specific show but it really doesn't give you an accurate idea of your likelihood of winning tickets. This is because the odds only compare the number of total entries for a show versus the number of tickets available.
If you enter NYC GA as your tenth choice your chance of getting tickets is 0%. Historically the GA for high demand shows doesn't get past the #1 choice pool. But the odds tool doesn't provide data broken up by choice order (it doesn't seem too hard to provide this breakdown).
For an example, say there are 2000 pairs of GA ticket for a show. The club gets 5000 entries in the 1st choice pool, 2500 entries in the 2nd choice pool, and 2500 entries in the 3rd and higher pools. That's a total of 10000 entries for 2000 pairs of tickets. The odds tool should report 2000/10000 = 0.2 = 20%. But the odds actually are 40% for the first choice pool and 0% for everyone else.
YES!! That's why I keep telling people...If you REALLY want a show in a hard to get city, put it as your first choice and don't worry about the others just yet.
This would be my advice for "winning" the lottery. 1. Review the show dates and cities. Decide how many of the shows you'd like to attend and rank each on how critical it is for you to attend. 2. Decide if you need GA or can also go for Reserved. Reserved in NA generally has better odds than GA. Also, many members choose to enter GA as their first option and Reserved as their second. So, if you go Reserved as your #1 choice you will have a distinct odds advantage. 3. Halfway through the entry period review the current odds in the tool. 4. For shows with lower odds (<10%) it would be a risk making the show anything past your first choice. 5. For shows with good odds (>75%) you may be able to get away with making them your 2nd or 3rd choice. 6. For shows with great odds (>90%) you will likely get tickets with any choice. 7. A GA entry any lower than 1st choice for a high demand show is a wasted entry. You'd be better served picking Reserved for a high demand show as #1 and GA for a low demand show as #2. 8. For cities with more than one date, the club typically only allows you to win tickets for one of the dates. If you use four entries for the two nights (GA night 1, Reserved night 1, GA night 2, and Reserved night 2) it is likely that three of your choices would be voided. If you prefer GA your best option would be to choose the night with the best GA odds as #1 the Reserved with the best odds as #2. 9. Balance your desire for a show versus your odds to get tickets. It may be better for you to take the risk of a low odds draw for a show in your backyard versus a good odds show elsewhere. 10. Make your entries well in advance with the understanding that you can change them prior to the end of the entry period. 11. A ticket buddy really does help. You can get better odds for a single show or better chance of getting tickets to multiple shows. Just be prepared to get two pairs if you both enter for the same show. 12. As many have written, your Ten Club number doesn't affect your odds. It only affects your seat choice if you choose reserved. 13. If the draw is done how it has been in the past, there is one important aspect for you to understand. The club assigns ALL of the GA tickets before drawing Reserved. In most cases, this isn't big deal. But for low demand shows there may be fewer 1st priority GA requests than there are available tickets. So, they will go to the 2nd choice pool. This means that if you have Reserved as #1 and GA is #2 there is a chance that you will get GA over reserved. So, if you don't want GA then the best option would be to leave it off your entry list.
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just my opinion. I don’t stress though, you try for 10c tix to the one show you really want to go to, and figure out the rest. Ticket buddy is a good route
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I hear you.. But a lot has changed in 11 years.. They are now a "legacy act" for the casual fans and are drawing much bigger demand than even 5-10 years ago.. I think they could sell out the Vivint smart arena easily now?
And I'm laughing.
A drive from Boston is easy...the flight is easier.
We're within a day's drive of some ungodly percentage of the US population...and even Toronto, too.
But... crickets...
yep.. They have graduated to "bucket list band" for the casual fan or just a music fan that hasn't seen them perform before. So us die hard 10clubbers have to battle each other for tickets, and also the casuals.
I commented about first pick odds because quite a few out of town fans are saying wouldn’t it be cool to see them in Balt or NY
My point is if you are not near the east coast or live near California, the way this tour is shaping up, picking NY or Balt is almost like throwing your pick away if it’s just as easy for a fan to see them anywhere else
Lets say 100,000 fans want to see a show east of the Mississippi and another 100,000 fans want to see a show west of the Mississippi. Let’s assume each group will equally divide their selections for either the 2 East shows or 6 Cali/LV shows. Let’s also assume there will be 3000 winning GA draws per show to simplify. So westerners will have six rounds of picks and easterners will have two shows picked. But in reality for these shows only pick one will matter.
This comes to about 17000 fans per west coast show and 50,000 fans per East coast show hoping for a winning draw. Since it’s likely all tickets will be gone in round one, the odds are fairly reasonable out west at 18% and in the east at 6%, even if the 10 club has both officially listed at 3%.
the odds are probably even lower for the eastern shows for two reasons:
1- population density in the east is much greater = more fans wanting in. Plus Europe fans willing to try NY