I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.
If it was only Boston getting skipped, I could see it being because they just played four Fenway shows in three years. But no Boston, no Hartford, no Philadelphia and only one show in NYC? Gotta think something big is planned for the fall.
JimmyV, it would be nice to know NOW, if I can skip NYC because there will be a fall show in Philly.....when will we know about any fall shows? or is it somewhere in the 168 pages above??
There has yet to be anything solid concerning N.A. in the fall. Just those who feel like they have to play New England and Philly in the fall.
I wouldn't say they have to do anything. It's just that, given their history, not doing so would be strange.
For sure. Sorry - I didn't mean that as a dig to anyone. I guess I was trying to say that same thing in a different way. I, too, think it would be strange if they don't play Boston/Philly/only 1 NYC show in a new album year, especially.
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I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.
I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
If it was only Boston getting skipped, I could see it being because they just played four Fenway shows in three years. But no Boston, no Hartford, no Philadelphia and only one show in NYC? Gotta think something big is planned for the fall.
JimmyV, it would be nice to know NOW, if I can skip NYC because there will be a fall show in Philly.....when will we know about any fall shows? or is it somewhere in the 168 pages above??
There has yet to be anything solid concerning N.A. in the fall. Just those who feel like they have to play New England and Philly in the fall.
I wouldn't say they have to do anything. It's just that, given their history, not doing so would be strange.
For sure. Sorry - I didn't mean that as a dig to anyone. I guess I was trying to say that same thing in a different way. I, too, think it would be strange if they don't play Boston/Philly/only 1 NYC show in a new album year, especially.
No worries, I figured that is what you meant.
If it's ballparks then that will mean late summer/early fall. Those announcements would need to come soon.
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.
I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.
I'd love to see a source on that. I thought the number quoted was much, much lower but am just going on memory and could certainly be wrong. It's hard for me to believe that half or so of every membership purchased over 25-30 years has been regularly renewed. I'm sure the auto-renewals help with that, but still.
It's sad how many people can't read the directions and make mistakes and get things they didn't want....
And screw over fans who desperately wanted those tickets.
Exactly. You know it's gonna happen within 24 hours of the lotto window closing:
"Help! I didn't want both LA nights and the San Diego night! My boss says I can't take that much time off work...I thought I could only win one night. If I email 10C, do you think they could help??"
Meanwhile, 15 threads: "ISO SD GA or seats."
Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.
I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.
Either way, I like my 279XXX...I'm hoping for another Columbus or Cincinnati show, especially if it's the same tour as multiple stops in Philly, NYC and Boston.
Presidential Advice from President-Elect Mike McCready: "Are you getting something out of this all encompassing trip?"
If anything, they’ll announce the presale without a need to tell people to renew their membership. Helps avoid last second 10c account signups for scalping.
Still thinking a presale announcement after the weekend (1/6-1/7), lottery drawn by the end of the week, and public sale the week after.
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.
I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.
I'd love to see a source on that. I thought the number quoted was much, much lower but am just going on memory and could certainly be wrong. It's hard for me to believe that half or so of every membership purchased over 25-30 years has been regularly renewed. I'm sure the auto-renewals help with that, but still.
If anything, they’ll announce the presale without a need to tell people to renew their membership. Helps avoid last second 10c account signups for scalping.
Right. The announcement will for example be on 1/6 and say lottery is open to all 10c members whose membership was active as of 1/05/20.
I'd love to see a source on that. I thought the number quoted was much, much lower but am just going on memory and could certainly be wrong. It's hard for me to believe that half or so of every membership purchased over 25-30 years has been regularly renewed. I'm sure the auto-renewals help with that, but still.
I've had 3 different numbers because I'm bad at renewing things. So, I'd agree with you.
It's sad how many people can't read the directions and make mistakes and get things they didn't want....
And screw over fans who desperately wanted those tickets.
Exactly. You know it's gonna happen within 24 hours of the lotto window closing:
"Help! I didn't want both LA nights and the San Diego night! My boss says I can't take that much time off work...I thought I could only win one night. If I email 10C, do you think they could help??"
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.
I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.
I'd love to see a source on that. I thought the number quoted was much, much lower but am just going on memory and could certainly be wrong. It's hard for me to believe that half or so of every membership purchased over 25-30 years has been regularly renewed. I'm sure the auto-renewals help with that, but still.
Nice find - that’s the article I was thinking of. I was close.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.
I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.
I'd love to see a source on that. I thought the number quoted was much, much lower but am just going on memory and could certainly be wrong. It's hard for me to believe that half or so of every membership purchased over 25-30 years has been regularly renewed. I'm sure the auto-renewals help with that, but still.
Nice find - that’s the article I was thinking of. I was close.
I remember the one u taking about. He was talkig about how we don't see ten club member as a number and active member are around 250k
My guess now is there are around 300k now active members
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Have they ever come to NYC just to do a television show with no other performance? I feel like they have. They wouldn't do that to us would they?
2011, Jimmy fallow show. Played first time ever ole, first time ever cover pink Floyd mother and played all night. I was at the studio
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
One of my favorite shows that I've been to (so everyone don't attack and say it's not as great as (blank) or (blank) was better set list.) Remember...THE BEST SHOW IS THE ONE YOU'RE AT!!
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
I'm not sure how many members truly understand what the odds tool tells you. It gives a good indication on the demand for a specific show but it really doesn't give you an accurate idea of your likelihood of winning tickets. This is because the odds only compare the number of total entries for a show versus the number of tickets available.
If you enter NYC GA as your tenth choice your chance of getting tickets is 0%. Historically the GA for high demand shows doesn't get past the #1 choice pool. But the odds tool doesn't provide data broken up by choice order (it doesn't seem too hard to provide this breakdown).
For an example, say there are 2000 pairs of GA ticket for a show. The club gets 5000 entries in the 1st choice pool, 2500 entries in the 2nd choice pool, and 2500 entries in the 3rd and higher pools. That's a total of 10000 entries for 2000 pairs of tickets. The odds tool should report 2000/10000 = 0.2 = 20%. But the odds actually are 40% for the first choice pool and 0% for everyone else.
Boston (4/10/94), Hartford (10/2/96), Barre (8/22/98), Hartford (9/13/98), Mansfield (9/15/98 + 9/16/98), Mansfield (8/29/00 + 8/30/00), Mansfield (7/2/03 + 7/11/03), Boston (9/28/04), Hartford (5/13/06), Boston (5/24/06 + 5/25/06), Hartford (6/27/08), Mansfield (6/28/08 + 6/30/08), Philadelphia (10/31/09), Hartford (5/15/10), Worcester (10/15/13 + 10/16/13), Hartford (10/25/13), New York (5/1/16), Boston (8/5/16 + 8/7/16), Boston (9/2/18 + 9/4/18)
I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
There aren't hundreds of thousands of active member numbers
Yes there are.
Is this a semantic argument? I realize what member number we're up to, but there aren't hundreds of thousands of active members.
I believe Tim mentioned ~250,000 active memberships a decade or so ago give or take? My guess is between 250,000-350,000 active memberships today.
I'd love to see a source on that. I thought the number quoted was much, much lower but am just going on memory and could certainly be wrong. It's hard for me to believe that half or so of every membership purchased over 25-30 years has been regularly renewed. I'm sure the auto-renewals help with that, but still.
Have they ever come to NYC just to do a television show with no other performance? I feel like they have. They wouldn't do that to us would they?
2011, Jimmy fallow show. Played first time ever ole, first time ever cover pink Floyd mother and played all night. I was at the studio
Remember that for sure. Could not forget you in the stands! So hopefully that is not the plan for 2020.
It's not the plan, no
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I was just about to ask this - it's the only date I'm eyeing up currently
.That NYC date has been solid on the forum for weeks, and IIRC more than one reliable source.
NYC is typically the most expensive most difficult ticket. I’m expecting odds of two percent and resale prices well north of $500. Same probably for Baltimore
A few Europe arena shows had face value tickets available as of a few days ago, if that’s an option.
Yeah I'm aware it's a hot ticket, might as well try and give it a punt anyway. It's just the flights are so cheap to NYC. Already doing Europe shows
Happy New Year!! SpinTheLastExit, where are you finding cheap flights to NYC??? or where are you flying from to NYC??? I really want to do MSG - trying to pick places I haven't seen PJ in, but the flights to NYC from Tucson are $500 before I pick my seat! HELP Please...
My best guess is Spin is from Europe and NYC airports are the gateway to many North American flights from Europe that need to change planes at NY. It is unexpected to read that because everything around NY is crazy expensive, including PJ tix. If they are playing multiple Cali shows that might be your best bet for your first 10c pick since you’re in AZ.
Remember if only 2 shows east of the Mississippi, that’s splitting hundreds of thousands of member numbers by two, and half of those member picks will be a first round pick.
If their are 5 Cali shows plus another west show in Vegas or somewhere else, that’s splitting the lottery into six different pots, and only a 17% chance that members are picking the Cali/west show you want to win tickets for as their first round pick (assuming each Cali show has comparable demand)
tl;dr - East coast real odds will be low, even for first round picks. Cali shows will have low odds, but much better chance that if your first pick is Cali you will win tickets.
I'm not sure how many members truly understand what the odds tool tells you. It gives a good indication on the demand for a specific show but it really doesn't give you an accurate idea of your likelihood of winning tickets. This is because the odds only compare the number of total entries for a show versus the number of tickets available.
If you enter NYC GA as your tenth choice your chance of getting tickets is 0%. Historically the GA for high demand shows doesn't get past the #1 choice pool. But the odds tool doesn't provide data broken up by choice order (it doesn't seem too hard to provide this breakdown).
For an example, say there are 2000 pairs of GA ticket for a show. The club gets 5000 entries in the 1st choice pool, 2500 entries in the 2nd choice pool, and 2500 entries in the 3rd and higher pools. That's a total of 10000 entries for 2000 pairs of tickets. The odds tool should report 2000/10000 = 0.2 = 20%. But the odds actually are 40% for the first choice pool and 0% for everyone else.
YES!! That's why I keep telling people...If you REALLY want a show in a hard to get city, put it as your first choice and don't worry about the others just yet.
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1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
For sure. Sorry - I didn't mean that as a dig to anyone. I guess I was trying to say that same thing in a different way. I, too, think it would be strange if they don't play Boston/Philly/only 1 NYC show in a new album year, especially.
2018: Seattle I + II, Chicago I + II
2020: Toronto, Ottawa, Quebec, Hamilton, Nashville, St. Louis, Krakow, Budapest, Zurich
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
If it's ballparks then that will mean late summer/early fall. Those announcements would need to come soon.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Exactly. You know it's gonna happen within 24 hours of the lotto window closing:
"Help! I didn't want both LA nights and the San Diego night! My boss says I can't take that much time off work...I thought I could only win one night. If I email 10C, do you think they could help??"
Meanwhile, 15 threads: "ISO SD GA or seats."
Either way, I like my 279XXX...I'm hoping for another Columbus or Cincinnati show, especially if it's the same tour as multiple stops in Philly, NYC and Boston.
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SHOW COUNT: (157) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=97, US=116, CAN=15, Europe=20 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: Ohana x2 Aucklandx2, Gold Coast, Melbournex2
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
My guess now is there are around 300k now active members
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Remember...THE BEST SHOW IS THE ONE YOU'RE AT!!
If you enter NYC GA as your tenth choice your chance of getting tickets is 0%. Historically the GA for high demand shows doesn't get past the #1 choice pool. But the odds tool doesn't provide data broken up by choice order (it doesn't seem too hard to provide this breakdown).
For an example, say there are 2000 pairs of GA ticket for a show. The club gets 5000 entries in the 1st choice pool, 2500 entries in the 2nd choice pool, and 2500 entries in the 3rd and higher pools. That's a total of 10000 entries for 2000 pairs of tickets. The odds tool should report 2000/10000 = 0.2 = 20%. But the odds actually are 40% for the first choice pool and 0% for everyone else.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”