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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 8,208
    We just had a big storm here... started Sunday night into Tuesday morning...got about 30 cm total and another storm coming Thursday.  Our hydro stays on.  But I love snow storms, being out in them, taking my dog for a walk and 4 by 4ing in 25 cm of snow...fun.


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,854
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    I'm thinking the smart thing to do is begin (overdue) to gear infrastructure for "freakish" weather because freakish weather is becoming the new norm. 

    This was all foreseen by a professional meteorologist friend (not the TV actor "weather anchors you see on the nightly news) I lived next to clear back in the late 80's.  He described everything we are seeing today, not as a fortuneteller, but as a scientist. 

    Society has been asleep for decades.  Mother Nature's wake up call is coming through loud and clear.
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,854
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    This made me angry. When you don't know anything about the situation, please don't speak.

    I'm 40 miles south of Dallas. I am extremely lucky that my power has stayed on. Millions are without it for DAYS!  People with kids are on FB asking for milk, firewood, a place to stay. Gas stations here in town are out of gas. Grocery stores are either closed due to no power or no employees. . The ones open have pretty empty shelves because they aren't getting deliveries. The domino effect of this is very bad and it isn't anywhere near over. So please, zip your lip if all you have to spew is ignorant insults.


    Totally agree, Run. 

    People die in sever weather events.  An elderly man who lives 100 yards downhill from us died a number of years ago when we were all snowed in.  I'd have risked my neck going down there to make sure he was OK if I had know he was alone  (his kids only lived a few blocks away- I figured they would take care of him.  Bad on me for assuming).  He wasn't a wimp, he was old.  He didn't whine, he died.  You really might think about thinking twice before hitting "post comment", Meltdown99.
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 8,208
    brianlux said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    I'm thinking the smart thing to do is begin (overdue) to gear infrastructure for "freakish" weather because freakish weather is becoming the new norm. 

    This was all foreseen by a professional meteorologist friend (not the TV actor "weather anchors you see on the nightly news) I lived next to clear back in the late 80's.  He described everything we are seeing today, not as a fortuneteller, but as a scientist. 

    Society has been asleep for decades.  Mother Nature's wake up call is coming through loud and clear.
    You may want that.  But it’s not going to happen.  I watched some of the videos from Texas...some of those videos were fucking hilarious.  Even funnier is that the Texas freeze happened when we got our 25 cm...I don’t want teXans coming to Canada and driving in the winter here...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,854
    brianlux said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    I'm thinking the smart thing to do is begin (overdue) to gear infrastructure for "freakish" weather because freakish weather is becoming the new norm. 

    This was all foreseen by a professional meteorologist friend (not the TV actor "weather anchors you see on the nightly news) I lived next to clear back in the late 80's.  He described everything we are seeing today, not as a fortuneteller, but as a scientist. 

    Society has been asleep for decades.  Mother Nature's wake up call is coming through loud and clear.
    You may want that.  But it’s not going to happen.  I watched some of the videos from Texas...some of those videos were fucking hilarious.  Even funnier is that the Texas freeze happened when we got our 25 cm...I don’t want teXans coming to Canada and driving in the winter here...

    Yeah man, we're all laughing, hahahaha.
    Whatever.
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,640
    brianlux said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    I'm thinking the smart thing to do is begin (overdue) to gear infrastructure for "freakish" weather because freakish weather is becoming the new norm. 

    This was all foreseen by a professional meteorologist friend (not the TV actor "weather anchors you see on the nightly news) I lived next to clear back in the late 80's.  He described everything we are seeing today, not as a fortuneteller, but as a scientist. 

    Society has been asleep for decades.  Mother Nature's wake up call is coming through loud and clear.
    You may want that.  But it’s not going to happen.  I watched some of the videos from Texas...some of those videos were fucking hilarious.  Even funnier is that the Texas freeze happened when we got our 25 cm...I don’t want teXans coming to Canada and driving in the winter here...
    still laughing about people dying, eh? stay classy. 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,129
    edited February 18
    brianlux said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    I'm thinking the smart thing to do is begin (overdue) to gear infrastructure for "freakish" weather because freakish weather is becoming the new norm. 

    This was all foreseen by a professional meteorologist friend (not the TV actor "weather anchors you see on the nightly news) I lived next to clear back in the late 80's.  He described everything we are seeing today, not as a fortuneteller, but as a scientist. 

    Society has been asleep for decades.  Mother Nature's wake up call is coming through loud and clear.
    You may want that.  But it’s not going to happen.  I watched some of the videos from Texas...some of those videos were fucking hilarious.  Even funnier is that the Texas freeze happened when we got our 25 cm...I don’t want teXans coming to Canada and driving in the winter here...
    The thing is, you guys have the snow plows, salt, etc to keep roads clear and build your infrastructure to handle these conditions on a regular basis.  This kind of weather for south TX people is completely out of the bounds of what their communities are prepared for.  They are prepared for hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.  You laughing at them would be the equivalent to them laughing at you if your town got hit by a tornado and no one had shelters or tornado sirens.  Your roads and infrastructure in Canada get effectively maintained during this type of weather, theirs do not.  Many do not have fire places or stock up for extreme cold.  That being said, I’m confident in saying that Dallas drivers are some of the worst on this planet, ha
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,640
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    I'm thinking the smart thing to do is begin (overdue) to gear infrastructure for "freakish" weather because freakish weather is becoming the new norm. 

    This was all foreseen by a professional meteorologist friend (not the TV actor "weather anchors you see on the nightly news) I lived next to clear back in the late 80's.  He described everything we are seeing today, not as a fortuneteller, but as a scientist. 

    Society has been asleep for decades.  Mother Nature's wake up call is coming through loud and clear.
    You may want that.  But it’s not going to happen.  I watched some of the videos from Texas...some of those videos were fucking hilarious.  Even funnier is that the Texas freeze happened when we got our 25 cm...I don’t want teXans coming to Canada and driving in the winter here...
    The thing is, you guys have the snow plows, salt, etc to keep roads clear and build your infrastructure to handle these conditions.  This kind of weather for south TX people is completely out of the bounds of what their communities are prepared for.  They are prepared for hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.  You laughing at them would be the equivalent to them laughing at you if your town got hit by a tornado and no one had shelters.  Your roads and infrastructure in Canada get effectively maintained during this type of weather, theirs do not.  Many do not have fire places or stock up for extreme cold.  That being said, I’m confident in saying that Dallas drivers are some of the worst on this planet, ha
    this is just it. I mean, we in Winnipeg poke fun at Toronto for calling in the army when they get a few snowflakes on the ground, but like you said, in reality, they don't have the infrastructure to deal with such an event normally. 

    Just as I'm sure people in Churchill laugh at us for thinking it's cold when it's -45. It's all relative. 

    But most normal, non-sociopathic people don't find humour when there's death caused by such an event. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,129
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    I'm thinking the smart thing to do is begin (overdue) to gear infrastructure for "freakish" weather because freakish weather is becoming the new norm. 

    This was all foreseen by a professional meteorologist friend (not the TV actor "weather anchors you see on the nightly news) I lived next to clear back in the late 80's.  He described everything we are seeing today, not as a fortuneteller, but as a scientist. 

    Society has been asleep for decades.  Mother Nature's wake up call is coming through loud and clear.
    You may want that.  But it’s not going to happen.  I watched some of the videos from Texas...some of those videos were fucking hilarious.  Even funnier is that the Texas freeze happened when we got our 25 cm...I don’t want teXans coming to Canada and driving in the winter here...
    The thing is, you guys have the snow plows, salt, etc to keep roads clear and build your infrastructure to handle these conditions.  This kind of weather for south TX people is completely out of the bounds of what their communities are prepared for.  They are prepared for hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.  You laughing at them would be the equivalent to them laughing at you if your town got hit by a tornado and no one had shelters.  Your roads and infrastructure in Canada get effectively maintained during this type of weather, theirs do not.  Many do not have fire places or stock up for extreme cold.  That being said, I’m confident in saying that Dallas drivers are some of the worst on this planet, ha
    this is just it. I mean, we in Winnipeg poke fun at Toronto for calling in the army when they get a few snowflakes on the ground, but like you said, in reality, they don't have the infrastructure to deal with such an event normally. 

    Just as I'm sure people in Churchill laugh at us for thinking it's cold when it's -45. It's all relative. 

    But most normal, non-sociopathic people don't find humour when there's death caused by such an event. 
    I remember visiting friends in Seattle when they were having a major heat wave.  It was something that us Texans wouldn’t bat an eye at, but many people there were miserable because they didn’t have air conditioning.  If they regularly had 100F days, I bet everyone would be prepared for them.
  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 8,231
    I think it all comes down to money and gambling if it is worth it to winterize so many plants or roll the dice and not spend the money hoping something like this does not happen. Where I work its a no brainer. We start to winterize mid October and stay in that mode until mid April. I live in Canada however and that is just the cost of doing business here. 

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,640
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133

    I'm thinking the smart thing to do is begin (overdue) to gear infrastructure for "freakish" weather because freakish weather is becoming the new norm. 

    This was all foreseen by a professional meteorologist friend (not the TV actor "weather anchors you see on the nightly news) I lived next to clear back in the late 80's.  He described everything we are seeing today, not as a fortuneteller, but as a scientist. 

    Society has been asleep for decades.  Mother Nature's wake up call is coming through loud and clear.
    You may want that.  But it’s not going to happen.  I watched some of the videos from Texas...some of those videos were fucking hilarious.  Even funnier is that the Texas freeze happened when we got our 25 cm...I don’t want teXans coming to Canada and driving in the winter here...
    The thing is, you guys have the snow plows, salt, etc to keep roads clear and build your infrastructure to handle these conditions.  This kind of weather for south TX people is completely out of the bounds of what their communities are prepared for.  They are prepared for hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.  You laughing at them would be the equivalent to them laughing at you if your town got hit by a tornado and no one had shelters.  Your roads and infrastructure in Canada get effectively maintained during this type of weather, theirs do not.  Many do not have fire places or stock up for extreme cold.  That being said, I’m confident in saying that Dallas drivers are some of the worst on this planet, ha
    this is just it. I mean, we in Winnipeg poke fun at Toronto for calling in the army when they get a few snowflakes on the ground, but like you said, in reality, they don't have the infrastructure to deal with such an event normally. 

    Just as I'm sure people in Churchill laugh at us for thinking it's cold when it's -45. It's all relative. 

    But most normal, non-sociopathic people don't find humour when there's death caused by such an event. 
    I remember visiting friends in Seattle when they were having a major heat wave.  It was something that us Texans wouldn’t bat an eye at, but many people there were miserable because they didn’t have air conditioning.  If they regularly had 100F days, I bet everyone would be prepared for them.
    yeah, I was surprised when friends from vancouver told me they don't have AC. I knew their summers were milder than they are in winnipeg, but thought AC would still be somewhat common. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,854
    From Heather Cox Richardson's latest letter:

    "Tim Boyd, the mayor of Colorado City, Texas, put on Facebook: “The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes you NOTHING! I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn handout!... If you are sitting at home in the cold because you have no power and are sitting there waiting for someone to come rescue you because your lazy is direct result of your raising! [sic]…. This is sadly a product of a socialist government where they feed people to believe that the FEW will work and others will become dependent for handouts…. I’ll be damned if I’m going to provide for anyone that is capable of doing it themselves!... Bottom line quit crying and looking for a handout! Get off your ass and take care of your own family!” “Only the strong will survive and the weak will parish [sic],” he said.

    After an outcry, Boyd resigned."

    Sounds familiar to certain posts on this thread?


    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,884
    brianlux said:
    From Heather Cox Richardson's latest letter:

    "Tim Boyd, the mayor of Colorado City, Texas, put on Facebook: “The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes you NOTHING! I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn handout!... If you are sitting at home in the cold because you have no power and are sitting there waiting for someone to come rescue you because your lazy is direct result of your raising! [sic]…. This is sadly a product of a socialist government where they feed people to believe that the FEW will work and others will become dependent for handouts…. I’ll be damned if I’m going to provide for anyone that is capable of doing it themselves!... Bottom line quit crying and looking for a handout! Get off your ass and take care of your own family!” “Only the strong will survive and the weak will parish [sic],” he said.

    After an outcry, Boyd resigned."

    Sounds familiar to certain posts on this thread?


    Isn't the city and county required to offer essential utilities, like water and power? I would think they at least owe the residents that.
  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 728
    edited February 18
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    From Heather Cox Richardson's latest letter:

    "Tim Boyd, the mayor of Colorado City, Texas, put on Facebook: “The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes you NOTHING! I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn handout!... If you are sitting at home in the cold because you have no power and are sitting there waiting for someone to come rescue you because your lazy is direct result of your raising! [sic]…. This is sadly a product of a socialist government where they feed people to believe that the FEW will work and others will become dependent for handouts…. I’ll be damned if I’m going to provide for anyone that is capable of doing it themselves!... Bottom line quit crying and looking for a handout! Get off your ass and take care of your own family!” “Only the strong will survive and the weak will parish [sic],” he said.

    After an outcry, Boyd resigned."

    Sounds familiar to certain posts on this thread?


    Isn't the city and county required to offer essential utilities, like water and power? I would think they at least owe the residents that.
    Living in a small town with old infrastructure, we have boil orders for our water supply fairly often. When it happens, the city often will purchase and offer bottled water for residents. So it would seem that they do have some sort of responsibility, since the city provides and bills us for, the water we have.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,854
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    From Heather Cox Richardson's latest letter:

    "Tim Boyd, the mayor of Colorado City, Texas, put on Facebook: “The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes you NOTHING! I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn handout!... If you are sitting at home in the cold because you have no power and are sitting there waiting for someone to come rescue you because your lazy is direct result of your raising! [sic]…. This is sadly a product of a socialist government where they feed people to believe that the FEW will work and others will become dependent for handouts…. I’ll be damned if I’m going to provide for anyone that is capable of doing it themselves!... Bottom line quit crying and looking for a handout! Get off your ass and take care of your own family!” “Only the strong will survive and the weak will parish [sic],” he said.

    After an outcry, Boyd resigned."

    Sounds familiar to certain posts on this thread?


    Isn't the city and county required to offer essential utilities, like water and power? I would think they at least owe the residents that.

    I would hope so!  That's certainly part of what taxes are collected for.

    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,331
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133
    How apathetic of you. Do you always mock those whose suffering you don't deem 'worthy'?

    While you don't design your electrical grid for a 'freakish storm', you do have to plan for disasters and know how they'll be accommodated. We witnessed the failure of such planning first-hand in Toronto. Decades after ignoring advice to bury power lines rather than supporting them with telephone poles due to the risk of infrastructure freezing and doing major damage to local power distribution, Toronto suffered the costly consequences.

    On the Texas side, here's the advice Texas ignored from, go figure, a snowstorm from ten years ago, where Texas was warned through an official report that there's a severe risk of the power grid going down for an extended period of time, if the grid wasn't upgraded to be more weather-resilient. 

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/texas-was-warned-a-decade-ago-its-grid-was-unprepared-for-cold-1.1564941


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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,804
    edited February 18
    benjs said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133
    How apathetic of you. Do you always mock those whose suffering you don't deem 'worthy'?

    While you don't design your electrical grid for a 'freakish storm', you do have to plan for disasters and know how they'll be accommodated. We witnessed the failure of such planning first-hand in Toronto. Decades after ignoring advice to bury power lines rather than supporting them with telephone poles due to the risk of infrastructure freezing and doing major damage to local power distribution, Toronto suffered the costly consequences.

    On the Texas side, here's the advice Texas ignored from, go figure, a snowstorm from ten years ago, where Texas was warned through an official report that there's a severe risk of the power grid going down for an extended period of time, if the grid wasn't upgraded to be more weather-resilient. 

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/texas-was-warned-a-decade-ago-its-grid-was-unprepared-for-cold-1.1564941


    So once in a century is more like last decade? Huh, sounds about right from the GOP POV. We've got a lot of this century left...

    Edit: Interesting to note that the first occurrence was in 1989, then 2011 and now 2021. If that isn't a sign of climate change, then I don't know what is. At this rate, should be another occurrence in about 5 years. Buckle up Texas!
    Post edited by tbergs on
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 8,208
    tbergs said:
    benjs said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133
    How apathetic of you. Do you always mock those whose suffering you don't deem 'worthy'?

    While you don't design your electrical grid for a 'freakish storm', you do have to plan for disasters and know how they'll be accommodated. We witnessed the failure of such planning first-hand in Toronto. Decades after ignoring advice to bury power lines rather than supporting them with telephone poles due to the risk of infrastructure freezing and doing major damage to local power distribution, Toronto suffered the costly consequences.

    On the Texas side, here's the advice Texas ignored from, go figure, a snowstorm from ten years ago, where Texas was warned through an official report that there's a severe risk of the power grid going down for an extended period of time, if the grid wasn't upgraded to be more weather-resilient. 

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/texas-was-warned-a-decade-ago-its-grid-was-unprepared-for-cold-1.1564941


    So once in a century is more like last decade? Huh, sounds about right from the GOP POV. We've got a lot of this century left...

    Edit: Interesting to note that the first occurrence was in 1989, then 2011 and now 2021. If that isn't a sign of climate change, then I don't know what is. At this rate, should be another occurrence in about 5 years. Buckle up Texas!
    Of course it’s a sign of climate change.  Do you really think at this point that the planet is saveable?  Sorry, way to many fucking people on this earth...and humans are to stupid to quit breeding...even many animals know not to over breed...seems their instincts tells them to many of them...then there will not be enough food.  If they get that concept...and humans don’t...

    Maybe climate change and this virus is the beginning of a mass extinction even.  

    And so what if we go extinct.  Maybe the earth needs to sit for a few billion of years and hopefully a smarter species will evolve...


  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,884
    tbergs said:
    benjs said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133
    How apathetic of you. Do you always mock those whose suffering you don't deem 'worthy'?

    While you don't design your electrical grid for a 'freakish storm', you do have to plan for disasters and know how they'll be accommodated. We witnessed the failure of such planning first-hand in Toronto. Decades after ignoring advice to bury power lines rather than supporting them with telephone poles due to the risk of infrastructure freezing and doing major damage to local power distribution, Toronto suffered the costly consequences.

    On the Texas side, here's the advice Texas ignored from, go figure, a snowstorm from ten years ago, where Texas was warned through an official report that there's a severe risk of the power grid going down for an extended period of time, if the grid wasn't upgraded to be more weather-resilient. 

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/texas-was-warned-a-decade-ago-its-grid-was-unprepared-for-cold-1.1564941


    So once in a century is more like last decade? Huh, sounds about right from the GOP POV. We've got a lot of this century left...

    Edit: Interesting to note that the first occurrence was in 1989, then 2011 and now 2021. If that isn't a sign of climate change, then I don't know what is. At this rate, should be another occurrence in about 5 years. Buckle up Texas!
    Of course it’s a sign of climate change.  Do you really think at this point that the planet is saveable?  Sorry, way to many fucking people on this earth...and humans are to stupid to quit breeding...even many animals know not to over breed...seems their instincts tells them to many of them...then there will not be enough food.  If they get that concept...and humans don’t...

    Maybe climate change and this virus is the beginning of a mass extinction even.  

    And so what if we go extinct.  Maybe the earth needs to sit for a few billion of years and hopefully a smarter species will evolve...


    Climate change aside, I don't see this world surviving more than a few hundred years at the rate we grow. There wont be enough resources when our population is tripled. That is likely to happen in the next 100 years. Some scientist think Earth is already at 70-80% capacity. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,854
    tbergs said:
    benjs said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133
    How apathetic of you. Do you always mock those whose suffering you don't deem 'worthy'?

    While you don't design your electrical grid for a 'freakish storm', you do have to plan for disasters and know how they'll be accommodated. We witnessed the failure of such planning first-hand in Toronto. Decades after ignoring advice to bury power lines rather than supporting them with telephone poles due to the risk of infrastructure freezing and doing major damage to local power distribution, Toronto suffered the costly consequences.

    On the Texas side, here's the advice Texas ignored from, go figure, a snowstorm from ten years ago, where Texas was warned through an official report that there's a severe risk of the power grid going down for an extended period of time, if the grid wasn't upgraded to be more weather-resilient. 

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/texas-was-warned-a-decade-ago-its-grid-was-unprepared-for-cold-1.1564941


    So once in a century is more like last decade? Huh, sounds about right from the GOP POV. We've got a lot of this century left...

    Edit: Interesting to note that the first occurrence was in 1989, then 2011 and now 2021. If that isn't a sign of climate change, then I don't know what is. At this rate, should be another occurrence in about 5 years. Buckle up Texas!
    Of course it’s a sign of climate change.  Do you really think at this point that the planet is saveable?  Sorry, way to many fucking people on this earth...and humans are to stupid to quit breeding...even many animals know not to over breed...seems their instincts tells them to many of them...then there will not be enough food.  If they get that concept...and humans don’t...

    Maybe climate change and this virus is the beginning of a mass extinction even.  

    And so what if we go extinct.  Maybe the earth needs to sit for a few billion of years and hopefully a smarter species will evolve...



    I agree with all of this except for the insinuation that the planet is not savable.  The planet will continue on with or without us.

    But to my way of thinking (and probably many others here as well), none of what you said is an excuse to mock people who are suffering through a crisis that is not of their individual making.  Humanity as a whole has a part in all of this, of course.  That includes you and me.  You and use energy, maybe drive a car, and consume natural resources beyond our mere basic needs. 

    But your words were not directed to humanity as a whole.  They were directed at suffering human beings.  I don't know why you think that's OK.
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • There is a reason why masses of people protest privatization all over the world. referencing texax
     

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,854
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    benjs said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133
    How apathetic of you. Do you always mock those whose suffering you don't deem 'worthy'?

    While you don't design your electrical grid for a 'freakish storm', you do have to plan for disasters and know how they'll be accommodated. We witnessed the failure of such planning first-hand in Toronto. Decades after ignoring advice to bury power lines rather than supporting them with telephone poles due to the risk of infrastructure freezing and doing major damage to local power distribution, Toronto suffered the costly consequences.

    On the Texas side, here's the advice Texas ignored from, go figure, a snowstorm from ten years ago, where Texas was warned through an official report that there's a severe risk of the power grid going down for an extended period of time, if the grid wasn't upgraded to be more weather-resilient. 

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/texas-was-warned-a-decade-ago-its-grid-was-unprepared-for-cold-1.1564941


    So once in a century is more like last decade? Huh, sounds about right from the GOP POV. We've got a lot of this century left...

    Edit: Interesting to note that the first occurrence was in 1989, then 2011 and now 2021. If that isn't a sign of climate change, then I don't know what is. At this rate, should be another occurrence in about 5 years. Buckle up Texas!
    Of course it’s a sign of climate change.  Do you really think at this point that the planet is saveable?  Sorry, way to many fucking people on this earth...and humans are to stupid to quit breeding...even many animals know not to over breed...seems their instincts tells them to many of them...then there will not be enough food.  If they get that concept...and humans don’t...

    Maybe climate change and this virus is the beginning of a mass extinction even.  

    And so what if we go extinct.  Maybe the earth needs to sit for a few billion of years and hopefully a smarter species will evolve...


    Climate change aside, I don't see this world surviving more than a few hundred years at the rate we grow. There wont be enough resources when our population is tripled. That is likely to happen in the next 100 years. Some scientist think Earth is already at 70-80% capacity. 
    Check out the Earth Overshoot Day ("Earth Overshoot Day marks the date when humanity’s demand for ecological resources and services in a given year exceeds what Earth can regenerate in that year") here:


    As can be seen, last year was an improvement over the last several, likely due to COVID.  But the general trend is quite clear.  There is just no way humans can continue to consume resources at the rate we have been and expect to continue on as a viable, civilized species.  Our consumption will lead to massive die-off of many species, and in many cases extinction.  The earth will continue on, of course, and life will likely once again thrive rather than die off at the rate it is, but our species will probably check out earlier than we need to because of our consumption.

    I think if we want to reverse this trend, we would be better off educating and encouraging people to reduce consumption rather than berate and scold as some (not you) tend to do.  I'm can feel as cynical as the next guy, but I also know angst is not going to lead to positive change, so I try to be more encouraging and also try to do my little part to reduce consumption. 

    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,884
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    benjs said:
    It’s called freakish weather.  You do not design your electrical grid fro a freakish storm...

    The wimps without power and are whining will survive.  My in laws lived through the kingston ice storm with no power for days with 2 little ones...

    They are all alive with awesome stories...

    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1785475133
    How apathetic of you. Do you always mock those whose suffering you don't deem 'worthy'?

    While you don't design your electrical grid for a 'freakish storm', you do have to plan for disasters and know how they'll be accommodated. We witnessed the failure of such planning first-hand in Toronto. Decades after ignoring advice to bury power lines rather than supporting them with telephone poles due to the risk of infrastructure freezing and doing major damage to local power distribution, Toronto suffered the costly consequences.

    On the Texas side, here's the advice Texas ignored from, go figure, a snowstorm from ten years ago, where Texas was warned through an official report that there's a severe risk of the power grid going down for an extended period of time, if the grid wasn't upgraded to be more weather-resilient. 

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/texas-was-warned-a-decade-ago-its-grid-was-unprepared-for-cold-1.1564941


    So once in a century is more like last decade? Huh, sounds about right from the GOP POV. We've got a lot of this century left...

    Edit: Interesting to note that the first occurrence was in 1989, then 2011 and now 2021. If that isn't a sign of climate change, then I don't know what is. At this rate, should be another occurrence in about 5 years. Buckle up Texas!
    Of course it’s a sign of climate change.  Do you really think at this point that the planet is saveable?  Sorry, way to many fucking people on this earth...and humans are to stupid to quit breeding...even many animals know not to over breed...seems their instincts tells them to many of them...then there will not be enough food.  If they get that concept...and humans don’t...

    Maybe climate change and this virus is the beginning of a mass extinction even.  

    And so what if we go extinct.  Maybe the earth needs to sit for a few billion of years and hopefully a smarter species will evolve...


    Climate change aside, I don't see this world surviving more than a few hundred years at the rate we grow. There wont be enough resources when our population is tripled. That is likely to happen in the next 100 years. Some scientist think Earth is already at 70-80% capacity. 
    Check out the Earth Overshoot Day ("Earth Overshoot Day marks the date when humanity’s demand for ecological resources and services in a given year exceeds what Earth can regenerate in that year") here:


    As can be seen, last year was an improvement over the last several, likely due to COVID.  But the general trend is quite clear.  There is just no way humans can continue to consume resources at the rate we have been and expect to continue on as a viable, civilized species.  Our consumption will lead to massive die-off of many species, and in many cases extinction.  The earth will continue on, of course, and life will likely once again thrive rather than die off at the rate it is, but our species will probably check out earlier than we need to because of our consumption.

    I think if we want to reverse this trend, we would be better off educating and encouraging people to reduce consumption rather than berate and scold as some (not you) tend to do.  I'm can feel as cynical as the next guy, but I also know angst is not going to lead to positive change, so I try to be more encouraging and also try to do my little part to reduce consumption. 

    Unfortunately I don't think much will change until we are forced to. Everyone lives a life of excess. Many of us here travel to see Pearl Jam. Even Eddie has a house way too big with a basketball court inside. The more money we have, the more wasteful we are. Some people are better than others, but I don't think anyone is really exempt from contributing more than they truly need to. 
    Once fossil fuels are gone, and the rich can't heat and cool their multiple mansions, or fly private jets, and we can't take road tips for the weekend anymore, then we'll be forced to live a minimalist lifestyle. It won't be too late, but it will change life as we know it, and many probably wont survive. I'm fearing that time is closer than I used to think. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,417
    edited February 19
    In Austin. 90+ hours no heat no electricity, salvaging wood from the park to burn in the decorative fireplace to keep the apartment above freezing. Boil water advisory.  Stores out of food. Roads not drivable.  I grew up in the Midwest and this is unacceptable. This weather wouldn’t stop a thing there.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,804
    edited February 19
    static111 said:
    In Austin. 90+ hours no heat no electricity, salvaging wood from the park to burn in the decorative fireplace to keep the apartment above freezing. Boil water advisory.  Stores out of food. Roads not drivable.  I grew up in the Midwest and this is unacceptable. This weather wouldn’t stop a thing there.
    That's horrible. I can't imagine. I hope you get power soon.
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    It's a hopeless situation...
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,417
    edited February 19
    tbergs said:
    static111 said:
    In Austin. 90+ hours no heat no electricity, salvaging wood from the park to burn in the decorative fireplace to keep the apartment above freezing. Boil water advisory.  Stores out of food. Roads not drivable.  I grew up in the Midwest and this is unacceptable. This weather wouldn’t stop a thing there.
    That's horrible. I can't imagine. I hope you get power soon.
    This is probably up there with the worst disaster responses in the US of all time.  Thanks for the well wishes, I’m hoping for power to be restored soon as well.  Can’t even work so there is lost income pure disaster caused by profit over people
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,129
    edited February 19
    static111 said:
    In Austin. 90+ hours no heat no electricity, salvaging wood from the park to burn in the decorative fireplace to keep the apartment above freezing. Boil water advisory.  Stores out of food. Roads not drivable.  I grew up in the Midwest and this is unacceptable. This weather wouldn’t stop a thing there.
    Just out of curiosity, because I have seen you say it a couple times, what do you mean by “decorative fireplace”?  Different from a regular fireplace?
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,417
    edited February 19
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    In Austin. 90+ hours no heat no electricity, salvaging wood from the park to burn in the decorative fireplace to keep the apartment above freezing. Boil water advisory.  Stores out of food. Roads not drivable.  I grew up in the Midwest and this is unacceptable. This weather wouldn’t stop a thing there.
    Just out of curiosity, because I have seen you say it a couple times, what do you mean by “decorative fireplace”?  Different from a regular fireplace?
    Not meant to heat the apartment. Maybe for impressing dates.  T first night I got a fire going I discovered that it was covered in paint, so we had the windows open to get the smoke from the burning paint out.  It’s about the size to hold 3 logs and the heat radiates about 5 ft from the fire.  Ambient temp away from the fire rarely reaches above 41 degrees.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,640
    edited February 19
    static111 said:
    tbergs said:
    static111 said:
    In Austin. 90+ hours no heat no electricity, salvaging wood from the park to burn in the decorative fireplace to keep the apartment above freezing. Boil water advisory.  Stores out of food. Roads not drivable.  I grew up in the Midwest and this is unacceptable. This weather wouldn’t stop a thing there.
    That's horrible. I can't imagine. I hope you get power soon.
    This is probably up there with the worst disaster responses in the US of all time.  Thanks for the well wishes, I’m hoping for power to be restored soon as well.  Can’t even work so there is lost income pure disaster caused by profit over people
    no disrespect to your current situation, but i'd imagine new orleans katrina far outweighs this. 
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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain TexasPosts: 856
    edited February 19
    static111 said:
    In Austin. 90+ hours no heat no electricity, salvaging wood from the park to burn in the decorative fireplace to keep the apartment above freezing. Boil water advisory.  Stores out of food. Roads not drivable.  I grew up in the Midwest and this is unacceptable. This weather wouldn’t stop a thing there.
    I'm so sorry. Really hoping it gets better quickly. We had a lot of people get their power back in my area today. Hope the same for you and your family.

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