The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Telling her story to who? The media?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Biden needs to drop out.CM189191 said:did bernie drop out yet?
bernie needs to drop out
Tara Reade has been trying to tell her story since it happened in 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant for Joe Biden. She told part of her story-- about how Biden would put his hands on her shoulders and run his fingers up and down her neck-- in the spring of 2019 after Lucy Flores accused Biden of kissing the top of her head and smelling her hair inappropriately. But Reade didn't tell her full story. As Ryan Grim reveals at The Intercept, Reade asked for help from Time's Up, but the organization said it could not support her because a case taking on Biden would jeopardize their non-profit status. Tara is finally telling the story she's been trying to tell for decades. While there were no witnesses to Biden's alleged sexual assault of Tara Reade, her brother and close friend, both of whom I've spoken to, recall Reade telling them about it at the time
Description of the sexual assault (not kissing children, or massaging from behind -- but SEXUAL ASSAULT by Joe Biden):
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story
Sounds like Joe Biden felt he had the right to - grab women, by the pussy?
I don't know how they do things in Sweden, but there is a court system here (see also: checks and balances).
She can testify or be deposed. She can put her story on legal record and compel Biden to respond.
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Biden needs to drop out.CM189191 said:
Telling her story to who? The media?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Biden needs to drop out.CM189191 said:did bernie drop out yet?
bernie needs to drop out
Tara Reade has been trying to tell her story since it happened in 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant for Joe Biden. She told part of her story-- about how Biden would put his hands on her shoulders and run his fingers up and down her neck-- in the spring of 2019 after Lucy Flores accused Biden of kissing the top of her head and smelling her hair inappropriately. But Reade didn't tell her full story. As Ryan Grim reveals at The Intercept, Reade asked for help from Time's Up, but the organization said it could not support her because a case taking on Biden would jeopardize their non-profit status. Tara is finally telling the story she's been trying to tell for decades. While there were no witnesses to Biden's alleged sexual assault of Tara Reade, her brother and close friend, both of whom I've spoken to, recall Reade telling them about it at the time
Description of the sexual assault (not kissing children, or massaging from behind -- but SEXUAL ASSAULT by Joe Biden):
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story
Sounds like Joe Biden felt he had the right to - grab women, by the pussy?
I don't know how they do things in Sweden, but there is a court system here (see also: checks and balances).
She can testify or be deposed. She can put her story on legal record and compel Biden to respond.
Did he yet?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I have to ask.If this same exact story, in the same exact situation came out about anyone else in either party that you don’t support, would you be this vigilant in defending? Would you victim blame? You should be seriously dig deep and be answering this question to yourselves.And again, I have no dog in this race. IM the clip clip horseshoe, both sides are bad in their own stubborn ways guy.0
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Spiritual_Chaos said:
Biden needs to drop out.CM189191 said:
Telling her story to who? The media?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Biden needs to drop out.CM189191 said:did bernie drop out yet?
bernie needs to drop out
Tara Reade has been trying to tell her story since it happened in 1993, when she was working as a staff assistant for Joe Biden. She told part of her story-- about how Biden would put his hands on her shoulders and run his fingers up and down her neck-- in the spring of 2019 after Lucy Flores accused Biden of kissing the top of her head and smelling her hair inappropriately. But Reade didn't tell her full story. As Ryan Grim reveals at The Intercept, Reade asked for help from Time's Up, but the organization said it could not support her because a case taking on Biden would jeopardize their non-profit status. Tara is finally telling the story she's been trying to tell for decades. While there were no witnesses to Biden's alleged sexual assault of Tara Reade, her brother and close friend, both of whom I've spoken to, recall Reade telling them about it at the time
Description of the sexual assault (not kissing children, or massaging from behind -- but SEXUAL ASSAULT by Joe Biden):
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story
Sounds like Joe Biden felt he had the right to - grab women, by the pussy?
I don't know how they do things in Sweden, but there is a court system here (see also: checks and balances).
She can testify or be deposed. She can put her story on legal record and compel Biden to respond.
Did he yet?Standard of proof and takes three basic forms:
"clear and convincing evidence," an intermediate standard
"beyond a reasonable doubt," the standard used in criminal trials
"preponderance of the evidence," the standard used in most civil cases
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Again, my viewpoint is that both sides contribute to the problem and could be doing a better job. If you think the dems are saints that is your choice and I'm sure they are very glad to have sunk their claws into you. Scientists are all over the board on this thing so instead of jumping to conclusions lets just see how it plays out, we are not open for business yet. I choose not to live my life based on what ifs.Lerxst1992 said:JW269453 said:
I was simply putting emphasis on the words our and us. Our being supporters of a particular party and us being all citizens. The same Congress made up of members from the 2 parties that can’t seem to work together very effectively? That is my issue. I said I didn’t know that exercising my right voided me of having an opinion on the matter. I was not implying that you didn’t think I had the right not to vote. Would you call out a fan who didn’t agree with a call made during a sporting event because they aren’t the ones playing? I don’t have a problem communicating with people who have a different viewpoint, if mine is not welcome just let me know and there will be no hard feelings.mrussel1 said:
Were you replying to my post? Because I don't understand where the "us" is coming from.JW269453 said:
I was under the impression that it is my right to vote if I choose, I didn’t know that exercising my right voided me of having an opinion. Until I see the win at all cost for “our” side mentality stop, I find it hard to believe either side has “us” in their best interests. I’m sorry, but I think we are better than having a system that caters to only half of the people. Not that extreme if you think about it. I wish I had the answer on how to achieve this, but putting those in charge to the task would be a good start.mrussel1 said:
How does anyone that doesn't vote have a reasonable right to complain about something? Who is the perfect candidate that you are awaiting? Is it Jesus, Ghandi or someone with whom you agree with 100% of the time?JW269453 said:
I stand in the green, but it should be labeled "when you two idiots figure it out, we will be ready"mickeyrat said:
And are you part of the 50% that are or aren't represented by Congress?
Last, nowhere did I say you didn't have the right not to vote. I said what reasonable right do you have to complain when you don't participate in the process?One party’s fundamental mantra is to maximize the wealth of billionaires. To put economy ahead of lives. To make unrealistic claims and not believe in science.
How exactly is the other party supposed to work with that? Why should they concede fundamentally on what is beneficial for the public?
Should you be expected to “work together effectively” if the other side is extreme. Let’s say terrorists as an example.
Scientists are telling republicans we are 30 to 45 days from peak infection rate. Trumps very own ID specialist said at his very own press briefing we need to prepare for this to be a seasonal crisis. Republicans respond by saying we want to be open for business by Easter. How is that not terrorism?
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Are we not to look deeper and ask questions? Was Blasey-Ford taken on her word, at face value, when the allegations came to light? Did we not investigate the allegations against Bill Clinton? What about Weinstein or any of the other perps of the #metoo movement? Why should we believe a podcast reportedon by a Pakistani news agency?nicknyr15 said:I have to ask.If this same exact story, in the same exact situation came out about anyone else in either party that you don’t support, would you be this vigilant in defending? Would you victim blame? You should be seriously dig deep and be answering this question to yourselves.And again, I have no dog in this race. IM the clip clip horseshoe, both sides are bad in their own stubborn ways guy.
I saw it on social media so it must be true. And in the infamous words of a repub house member during the impeachment hearings, was you there?
And yes, I certainly would take what has been reported thus far with a grain of salt regardless of political party or affiliation because it doesn't come across as a legitimate way to register your complaint, particularly if you've been trying to "tell your story since 1993."
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I guess we should only take women seriously when they don't threaten the magical blue utopia. <-- This opinion is coming from another clip clop horseshoe wearing radical so it should be easily dismissed.nicknyr15 said:I have to ask.If this same exact story, in the same exact situation came out about anyone else in either party that you don’t support, would you be this vigilant in defending? Would you victim blame? You should be seriously dig deep and be answering this question to yourselves.And again, I have no dog in this race. IM the clip clip horseshoe, both sides are bad in their own stubborn ways guy.
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If only our government had some way to keep power in check, a way to keep things in balance.JW269453 said:
Again, my viewpoint is that both sides contribute to the problem and could be doing a better job. If you think the dems are saints that is your choice and I'm sure they are very glad to have sunk their claws into you. Scientists are all over the board on this thing so instead of jumping to conclusions lets just see how it plays out, we are not open for business yet. I choose not to live my life based on what ifs.Lerxst1992 said:JW269453 said:
I was simply putting emphasis on the words our and us. Our being supporters of a particular party and us being all citizens. The same Congress made up of members from the 2 parties that can’t seem to work together very effectively? That is my issue. I said I didn’t know that exercising my right voided me of having an opinion on the matter. I was not implying that you didn’t think I had the right not to vote. Would you call out a fan who didn’t agree with a call made during a sporting event because they aren’t the ones playing? I don’t have a problem communicating with people who have a different viewpoint, if mine is not welcome just let me know and there will be no hard feelings.mrussel1 said:
Were you replying to my post? Because I don't understand where the "us" is coming from.JW269453 said:
I was under the impression that it is my right to vote if I choose, I didn’t know that exercising my right voided me of having an opinion. Until I see the win at all cost for “our” side mentality stop, I find it hard to believe either side has “us” in their best interests. I’m sorry, but I think we are better than having a system that caters to only half of the people. Not that extreme if you think about it. I wish I had the answer on how to achieve this, but putting those in charge to the task would be a good start.mrussel1 said:
How does anyone that doesn't vote have a reasonable right to complain about something? Who is the perfect candidate that you are awaiting? Is it Jesus, Ghandi or someone with whom you agree with 100% of the time?JW269453 said:
I stand in the green, but it should be labeled "when you two idiots figure it out, we will be ready"mickeyrat said:
And are you part of the 50% that are or aren't represented by Congress?
Last, nowhere did I say you didn't have the right not to vote. I said what reasonable right do you have to complain when you don't participate in the process?One party’s fundamental mantra is to maximize the wealth of billionaires. To put economy ahead of lives. To make unrealistic claims and not believe in science.
How exactly is the other party supposed to work with that? Why should they concede fundamentally on what is beneficial for the public?
Should you be expected to “work together effectively” if the other side is extreme. Let’s say terrorists as an example.
Scientists are telling republicans we are 30 to 45 days from peak infection rate. Trumps very own ID specialist said at his very own press briefing we need to prepare for this to be a seasonal crisis. Republicans respond by saying we want to be open for business by Easter. How is that not terrorism?0 -
I'm not telling you to stop posting and STFU, I'm asking you for an intellectual argument regarding the criticism when you are not participating in teh system at all. I presume that includes at your local/municipal, state and federal level. And I'm in agreement that the lack of working across the aisle is frustrating (that's how I interpret your statements), which is why I've supported both Biden and Pete, both of whom have pledged to work on bipartisan solutions. And we saw a major one last night.JW269453 said:
I was simply putting emphasis on the words our and us. Our being supporters of a particular party and us being all citizens. The same Congress made up of members from the 2 parties that can’t seem to work together very effectively? That is my issue. I said I didn’t know that exercising my right voided me of having an opinion on the matter. I was not implying that you didn’t think I had the right not to vote. Would you call out a fan who didn’t agree with a call made during a sporting event because they aren’t the ones playing? I don’t have a problem communicating with people who have a different viewpoint, if mine is not welcome just let me know and there will be no hard feelings.mrussel1 said:
Were you replying to my post? Because I don't understand where the "us" is coming from.JW269453 said:
I was under the impression that it is my right to vote if I choose, I didn’t know that exercising my right voided me of having an opinion. Until I see the win at all cost for “our” side mentality stop, I find it hard to believe either side has “us” in their best interests. I’m sorry, but I think we are better than having a system that caters to only half of the people. Not that extreme if you think about it. I wish I had the answer on how to achieve this, but putting those in charge to the task would be a good start.mrussel1 said:
How does anyone that doesn't vote have a reasonable right to complain about something? Who is the perfect candidate that you are awaiting? Is it Jesus, Ghandi or someone with whom you agree with 100% of the time?JW269453 said:
I stand in the green, but it should be labeled "when you two idiots figure it out, we will be ready"mickeyrat said:
And are you part of the 50% that are or aren't represented by Congress?
Last, nowhere did I say you didn't have the right not to vote. I said what reasonable right do you have to complain when you don't participate in the process?
So if Biden is pledging to work with R's, why the hesitation to vote for him when that seems to be a point of pain for you?0 -
You mean the guy hiding in his sleeping bag pretending there are no such things as bears? Nah, I wouldn't put my life in that guys hands.Spiritual_Chaos said:Isn't it pretty much the Britney Spears "we should support our president" factor.
If a bear was attacking our tent, I wouldn't disparage the one guy in the tent with a gun we all have to put our faith to. Whether we like to or not.0 -
Rising exclusive: Joe Biden accuser Tara Reade speaks out
Former staffer for Joe Biden Tara Reade recounts her experience from the 1990s with then-Senator Joe Biden including inappropriate touching, and her denial of legal resources from the #MeToo organization Time's Up.
https://youtu.be/ZmVUQ7ii3_4"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.I SAW PEARL JAM0
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With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Joe Biden To Bernie Sanders: ‘We’ve Had Enough Debates’
https://youtu.be/aLEOqR_HTqk"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Anyone seen Jacob Wohl lately?Spiritual_Chaos said:Rising exclusive: Joe Biden accuser Tara Reade speaks out
Former staffer for Joe Biden Tara Reade recounts her experience from the 1990s with then-Senator Joe Biden including inappropriate touching, and her denial of legal resources from the #MeToo organization Time's Up.https://youtu.be/ZmVUQ7ii3_4
Let's see the receipts lady. Testify, be deposed. Enough with the media, put up or shut up.
While we're at it, let's see all her travel, bank, phone and text records for the last couple years.
Prove you haven't been put up to this stunt by some low-life GOP operative.0 -
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.0 -
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.Falling down,...not staying down0 -
Like Kavanaugh was smeared?Kat said:
Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
no, it's nothing like thatSpiritual_Chaos said:
Like Kavanaugh was smeared?Kat said:
Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.
in fact it's completely different0
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