The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Smartest thing you said all daySpiritual_Chaos said:nvm0 -
I can't for the life of me understand why people are re-arguing the old tale of Joe Biden being a creepy neck sniffer when we have waaayyyyy bigger serious election issues that could bring us four more years of Trump. I can't even stand the thought if November being delayed. Not one day. I will drive every old person in my precinct with a mask on to the handicapped drive up voting station if I have to. This is scarier to me than covid, an economic collapse -- that Trump keeps himself in office by conveniently declaring marshal law come the fall. The scoundrels in the Republican party will use this to their advantage, it's the only thing we can count on. I don't see how it can go any other way.0
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We had elections in 1864 and throughout WWII. I don't think the lockdown will last even into the summer regardless. I'm not super worried about a cancelled election. The House would never allow such a thing and I really don't think the Senate would either.what dreams said:I can't for the life of me understand why people are re-arguing the old tale of Joe Biden being a creepy neck sniffer when we have waaayyyyy bigger serious election issues that could bring us four more years of Trump. I can't even stand the thought if November being delayed. Not one day. I will drive every old person in my precinct with a mask on to the handicapped drive up voting station if I have to. This is scarier to me than covid, an economic collapse -- that Trump keeps himself in office by conveniently declaring marshal law come the fall. The scoundrels in the Republican party will use this to their advantage, it's the only thing we can count on. I don't see how it can go any other way.0 -
Your pointless attitude problems. zzz.CM189191 said:
Smartest thing you said all daySpiritual_Chaos said:nvm"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I can’t believe people don’t think Trump will roast Biden. I’m worried for the debates. Trump might be a reprobate but he has charisma and a level of confidence much higher than it should be. Biden better pick a great VP.Scio me nihil scire
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I understand what you mean. I'm sorry, I'm not necessarily buying it. If you were sexually assaulted, why wouldn't you quit, at the least? I believe she stayed on quite a while and according to the previous story, she only quit because she was asked to serve drinks, leading to a fight with a staff. So being asked to serve drinks is all you can stand, but not being raped? And then she comes out in 2019 and only tells the most innocuous part? But now a year later it's rape.Spiritual_Chaos said:
;Maybe I am connecting it all wrong, but it says:mrussel1 said:
I read that as in 1993. Are you saying she didn't feel 'safe' in 2019 doing that?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Paragraph #2mrussel1 said:
The paragraphs and accusation that you linked to.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is about inappropriate touching?mrussel1 said:
Yes that's about 'inappropriate touching'. Accusing someone of sexual assault is a statutory crime, requiring jail time and registration as a sex offender. There's an ocean between touching someone's neck and sexual assault.Spiritual_Chaos said:
It's touched on in paragraph 2 and 6.mrussel1 said:
That doesn't explain why in 2019 she told the Union that it was inappropriate touching, not mentioning sexual assault.Spiritual_Chaos said:
This is brought up in the article:mrussel1 said:
Why do we think that in 2019 she accused Biden of 'inappropriate touching' when he allegedly touched the back of his neck in 1993? And now in 2020, she has a new accusation of sexual assault. Doesn't that strike you as unusual?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sorry, must have missed your post in the whirlwind of Biden defending.mrussel1 said:
Why aren't you answering my question? Is she accusing him of assault?Spiritual_Chaos said:CM189191 said:
Anyone seen Jacob Wohl lately?Spiritual_Chaos said:Rising exclusive: Joe Biden accuser Tara Reade speaks out
Former staffer for Joe Biden Tara Reade recounts her experience from the 1990s with then-Senator Joe Biden including inappropriate touching, and her denial of legal resources from the #MeToo organization Time's Up.
https://youtu.be/ZmVUQ7ii3_4
Let's see the receipts lady. Testify, be deposed. Enough with the media, put up or shut up.
While we're at it, let's see all her travel, bank, phone and text records for the last couple years.
Prove you haven't been put up to this stunt by some low-life GOP operative.Kat said:
Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.Halifax2TheMax said:
Did Kavanaugh’s accuser reluctantly testify under oath in televised hearings? Did you watch those hearings? Did she come across as believable? Has Sleepy “woke” Joe’s accuser been deposed under oath, given a sworn statement or otherwise filed criminal charges? Was Kavanaugh smeared?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Like Kavanaugh was smeared?Kat said:
Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.Joe Biden: When a woman alleges sexual assault, presume she is telling the truth
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-when-a-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-presume-she-is-telling-the-truth/2018/09/17/7718c532-badd-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html
Yes.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/
And here is the interview where the question of sexual assault or not is answered. Some damn fine Meryl Streep level acting just to smear a good man who has never touched anyone inappropriate.
Don't know anything more than that.
But do you remember when Chris took her friends back to her old home in Crystal Lake? And Shelly brought his hockeymask to scare people with? And not even her old boyfriend knows why she left that place? Then somewhere in act 2 she tells him the full truth about being attacked by a deformed man in the woods a few years prior?
Why didn't Chris tell Rick the full truth from the beginning?
I have not walked in Chris shoes. So I do not know. But I do know that she finally had to confront her past, and confront the man who attacked her - now wearing Shellys hockeymask.
Paragraåh #6
After she saw an episode of the ABC show “The View,” in which most of the panelists stood up for Biden and attacked Flores as politically motivated, Reade decided that she had no choice but to come forward and support Flores. She gave an interview to a local reporter, describing several instances in which Biden had behaved similarly toward her, inappropriately touching her during her early-’90s tenure in his Senate office. In that first interview, she decided to tell a piece of the story, she said, that matched what had happened to Flores
The View was not on the air in 1993.0 -
Who says you have to debate? And why would we think the debate will move numbers for very long, if at all? It never happened in the D primary.static111 said:I can’t believe people don’t think Trump will roast Biden. I’m worried for the debates. Trump might be a reprobate but he has charisma and a level of confidence much higher than it should be. Biden better pick a great VP.0 -
I'm concerned about turnout. I'm concerned about all sorts of shady shit going on just to get people on the down ballot. I'm concerned about trying to hold a nominating convention in July with Sanders refusing to concede. It's not 1864 when only the white, male, landed gentry could vote. People during WWII weren't trying depose a charlatan FDR. This is absolutely something the parties need to get serious about.mrussel1 said:
We had elections in 1864 and throughout WWII. I don't think the lockdown will last even into the summer regardless. I'm not super worried about a cancelled election. The House would never allow such a thing and I really don't think the Senate would either.what dreams said:I can't for the life of me understand why people are re-arguing the old tale of Joe Biden being a creepy neck sniffer when we have waaayyyyy bigger serious election issues that could bring us four more years of Trump. I can't even stand the thought if November being delayed. Not one day. I will drive every old person in my precinct with a mask on to the handicapped drive up voting station if I have to. This is scarier to me than covid, an economic collapse -- that Trump keeps himself in office by conveniently declaring marshal law come the fall. The scoundrels in the Republican party will use this to their advantage, it's the only thing we can count on. I don't see how it can go any other way.0 -
So we expect people like undecided swing voters to just blindly come out of the woodwork and support Biden with no public appearances or Debates? When was the last time there were no debates.? Not to mention The Donald isn’t gonna keep the muzzle on for long. It’s only a matter of time before he and Hannity etc start the grinding of Biden. I hope Biden can take the heat.mrussel1 said:
Who says you have to debate? And why would we think the debate will move numbers for very long, if at all? It never happened in the D primary.static111 said:I can’t believe people don’t think Trump will roast Biden. I’m worried for the debates. Trump might be a reprobate but he has charisma and a level of confidence much higher than it should be. Biden better pick a great VP.Scio me nihil scire
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72 I think. But I personally think they're useless and have been very critical of them and the format on these pages. . The skills needed to effectively debate are useless in real world of being a president. It's simply a zinger contest.static111 said:
So we expect people like undecided swing voters to just blindly come out of the woodwork and support Biden with no public appearances or Debates? When was the last time there were no debates.? Not to mention The Donald isn’t gonna keep the muzzle on for long. It’s only a matter of time before he and Hannity etc start the grinding of Biden. I hope Biden can take the heat.mrussel1 said:
Who says you have to debate? And why would we think the debate will move numbers for very long, if at all? It never happened in the D primary.static111 said:I can’t believe people don’t think Trump will roast Biden. I’m worried for the debates. Trump might be a reprobate but he has charisma and a level of confidence much higher than it should be. Biden better pick a great VP.0 -
I'd much prefer a sit down with a real journalist.0
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You'll get over itSpiritual_Chaos said:
Your pointless attitude problems. zzz.CM189191 said:
Smartest thing you said all daySpiritual_Chaos said:nvm0 -
Agreed. Everything Trump says is a lie. Biden has nothing to gain by debating Trump. Biden should just give interviews and press releases: 'Here's why Trump it's a moron and here's my plan for XYZ'. Don't give Trump the opportunity to respond with soundbites in realtime.mrussel1 said:
72 I think. But I personally think they're useless and have been very critical of them and the format on these pages. . The skills needed to effectively debate are useless in real world of being a president. It's simply a zinger contest.static111 said:
So we expect people like undecided swing voters to just blindly come out of the woodwork and support Biden with no public appearances or Debates? When was the last time there were no debates.? Not to mention The Donald isn’t gonna keep the muzzle on for long. It’s only a matter of time before he and Hannity etc start the grinding of Biden. I hope Biden can take the heat.mrussel1 said:
Who says you have to debate? And why would we think the debate will move numbers for very long, if at all? It never happened in the D primary.static111 said:I can’t believe people don’t think Trump will roast Biden. I’m worried for the debates. Trump might be a reprobate but he has charisma and a level of confidence much higher than it should be. Biden better pick a great VP.0 -
This comes of as things the old white dudes (including Biden) could have said during that Anita Hill hearing...mrussel1 said:
I understand what you mean. I'm sorry, I'm not necessarily buying it. If you were sexually assaulted, why wouldn't you quit, at the least? I believe she stayed on quite a while and according to the previous story, she only quit because she was asked to serve drinks, leading to a fight with a staff. So being asked to serve drinks is all you can stand, but not being raped? And then she comes out in 2019 and only tells the most innocuous part? But now a year later it's rape.Spiritual_Chaos said:
;Maybe I am connecting it all wrong, but it says:mrussel1 said:
I read that as in 1993. Are you saying she didn't feel 'safe' in 2019 doing that?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Paragraph #2mrussel1 said:
The paragraphs and accusation that you linked to.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is about inappropriate touching?mrussel1 said:
Yes that's about 'inappropriate touching'. Accusing someone of sexual assault is a statutory crime, requiring jail time and registration as a sex offender. There's an ocean between touching someone's neck and sexual assault.Spiritual_Chaos said:
It's touched on in paragraph 2 and 6.mrussel1 said:
That doesn't explain why in 2019 she told the Union that it was inappropriate touching, not mentioning sexual assault.Spiritual_Chaos said:
This is brought up in the article:mrussel1 said:
Why do we think that in 2019 she accused Biden of 'inappropriate touching' when he allegedly touched the back of his neck in 1993? And now in 2020, she has a new accusation of sexual assault. Doesn't that strike you as unusual?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sorry, must have missed your post in the whirlwind of Biden defending.mrussel1 said:
Why aren't you answering my question? Is she accusing him of assault?Spiritual_Chaos said:CM189191 said:
Anyone seen Jacob Wohl lately?Spiritual_Chaos said:Rising exclusive: Joe Biden accuser Tara Reade speaks out
Former staffer for Joe Biden Tara Reade recounts her experience from the 1990s with then-Senator Joe Biden including inappropriate touching, and her denial of legal resources from the #MeToo organization Time's Up.https://youtu.be/ZmVUQ7ii3_4
Let's see the receipts lady. Testify, be deposed. Enough with the media, put up or shut up.
While we're at it, let's see all her travel, bank, phone and text records for the last couple years.
Prove you haven't been put up to this stunt by some low-life GOP operative.Kat said:
Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.Halifax2TheMax said:
Did Kavanaugh’s accuser reluctantly testify under oath in televised hearings? Did you watch those hearings? Did she come across as believable? Has Sleepy “woke” Joe’s accuser been deposed under oath, given a sworn statement or otherwise filed criminal charges? Was Kavanaugh smeared?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Like Kavanaugh was smeared?Kat said:
Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.Joe Biden: When a woman alleges sexual assault, presume she is telling the truth
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-when-a-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-presume-she-is-telling-the-truth/2018/09/17/7718c532-badd-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html
Yes.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/
And here is the interview where the question of sexual assault or not is answered. Some damn fine Meryl Streep level acting just to smear a good man who has never touched anyone inappropriate.
Don't know anything more than that.
But do you remember when Chris took her friends back to her old home in Crystal Lake? And Shelly brought his hockeymask to scare people with? And not even her old boyfriend knows why she left that place? Then somewhere in act 2 she tells him the full truth about being attacked by a deformed man in the woods a few years prior?
Why didn't Chris tell Rick the full truth from the beginning?
I have not walked in Chris shoes. So I do not know. But I do know that she finally had to confront her past, and confront the man who attacked her - now wearing Shellys hockeymask.
Paragraåh #6
After she saw an episode of the ABC show “The View,” in which most of the panelists stood up for Biden and attacked Flores as politically motivated, Reade decided that she had no choice but to come forward and support Flores. She gave an interview to a local reporter, describing several instances in which Biden had behaved similarly toward her, inappropriately touching her during her early-’90s tenure in his Senate office. In that first interview, she decided to tell a piece of the story, she said, that matched what had happened to Flores
The View was not on the air in 1993.
Questioning why sexual assault survivors don't deal with their experiences, in this one way you think they should?
Can you really not see why someone could experience something, but still stay at the job? Are you really not on the level to understand that? Come on man.
I have a relative who stayed on a job for years, being psychologically tormented by her boss. Broken down year after year. WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST LEAVE?! NO MORE CHRISTMAS CARDS IF YOU GONNA SHOW THAT LACK OF BACKBONE MISS!
More on this from yahoo:
Reade’s accusation has opened up discourse on social media about why the mainstream media is ignoring the story. “I don’t understand why the extremely serious sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden are not getting significant attention outside of left media,” tweeted Vox Senior Correspondent Zack Beauchamp.
There were no witnesses to Reade’s assault, but she told The Intercept that she’d spoken to a close friend, as well as her brother, at the time of the alleged assault, and both have confirmed this with The Intercept. Reade said Thursday morning on Rising on Hill TV Live that she’s waited so long to speak publicly about what happened because she was afraid of retaliation, and also because back then she “didn’t have the framework” to understand what had happened to her.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/joe-biden-faces-sexual-assault-211641946.html
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Spiritual_Chaos said:
This comes of as things the old white dudes (including Biden) could have said during that Anita Hill hearing...mrussel1 said:
I understand what you mean. I'm sorry, I'm not necessarily buying it. If you were sexually assaulted, why wouldn't you quit, at the least? I believe she stayed on quite a while and according to the previous story, she only quit because she was asked to serve drinks, leading to a fight with a staff. So being asked to serve drinks is all you can stand, but not being raped? And then she comes out in 2019 and only tells the most innocuous part? But now a year later it's rape.Spiritual_Chaos said:
;Maybe I am connecting it all wrong, but it says:mrussel1 said:
I read that as in 1993. Are you saying she didn't feel 'safe' in 2019 doing that?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Paragraph #2mrussel1 said:
The paragraphs and accusation that you linked to.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is about inappropriate touching?mrussel1 said:
Yes that's about 'inappropriate touching'. Accusing someone of sexual assault is a statutory crime, requiring jail time and registration as a sex offender. There's an ocean between touching someone's neck and sexual assault.Spiritual_Chaos said:
It's touched on in paragraph 2 and 6.mrussel1 said:
That doesn't explain why in 2019 she told the Union that it was inappropriate touching, not mentioning sexual assault.Spiritual_Chaos said:
This is brought up in the article:mrussel1 said:
Why do we think that in 2019 she accused Biden of 'inappropriate touching' when he allegedly touched the back of his neck in 1993? And now in 2020, she has a new accusation of sexual assault. Doesn't that strike you as unusual?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sorry, must have missed your post in the whirlwind of Biden defending.mrussel1 said:
Why aren't you answering my question? Is she accusing him of assault?Spiritual_Chaos said:CM189191 said:
Anyone seen Jacob Wohl lately?Spiritual_Chaos said:Rising exclusive: Joe Biden accuser Tara Reade speaks out
Former staffer for Joe Biden Tara Reade recounts her experience from the 1990s with then-Senator Joe Biden including inappropriate touching, and her denial of legal resources from the #MeToo organization Time's Up.https://youtu.be/ZmVUQ7ii3_4
Let's see the receipts lady. Testify, be deposed. Enough with the media, put up or shut up.
While we're at it, let's see all her travel, bank, phone and text records for the last couple years.
Prove you haven't been put up to this stunt by some low-life GOP operative.Kat said:
Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.Halifax2TheMax said:
Did Kavanaugh’s accuser reluctantly testify under oath in televised hearings? Did you watch those hearings? Did she come across as believable? Has Sleepy “woke” Joe’s accuser been deposed under oath, given a sworn statement or otherwise filed criminal charges? Was Kavanaugh smeared?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Like Kavanaugh was smeared?Kat said:
Smeariously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign.mrussel1 said:
So wait, the article in the Intercept yesterday said he sexually assaulted her, which was different than the charge in 2019 when she said he touched the back if her neck. So what does this allegation say?Spiritual_Chaos said:
With Weinstein producing, they will be sure to get some oscar nominations.dankind said:Maybe Woody Allen can direct the Joe Biden biopic.Joe Biden: When a woman alleges sexual assault, presume she is telling the truth
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-when-a-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-presume-she-is-telling-the-truth/2018/09/17/7718c532-badd-11e8-a8aa-860695e7f3fc_story.html
Yes.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/
And here is the interview where the question of sexual assault or not is answered. Some damn fine Meryl Streep level acting just to smear a good man who has never touched anyone inappropriate.
Don't know anything more than that.
But do you remember when Chris took her friends back to her old home in Crystal Lake? And Shelly brought his hockeymask to scare people with? And not even her old boyfriend knows why she left that place? Then somewhere in act 2 she tells him the full truth about being attacked by a deformed man in the woods a few years prior?
Why didn't Chris tell Rick the full truth from the beginning?
I have not walked in Chris shoes. So I do not know. But I do know that she finally had to confront her past, and confront the man who attacked her - now wearing Shellys hockeymask.
Paragraåh #6
After she saw an episode of the ABC show “The View,” in which most of the panelists stood up for Biden and attacked Flores as politically motivated, Reade decided that she had no choice but to come forward and support Flores. She gave an interview to a local reporter, describing several instances in which Biden had behaved similarly toward her, inappropriately touching her during her early-’90s tenure in his Senate office. In that first interview, she decided to tell a piece of the story, she said, that matched what had happened to Flores
The View was not on the air in 1993.
Questioning why sexual assault survivors don't deal with their experiences, in this one way you think they should?
Can you really not see why someone could experience something, but still stay at the job? Are you really not on the level to understand that? Come on man.
I have a relative who stayed on a job for years, being psychologically tormented by her boss. Broken down year after year. WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST LEAVE?! NO MORE CHRISTMAS CARDS IF YOU GONNA SHOW THAT LACK OF BACKBONE MISS!
More on this from yahoo:
Reade’s accusation has opened up discourse on social media about why the mainstream media is ignoring the story. “I don’t understand why the extremely serious sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden are not getting significant attention outside of left media,” tweeted Vox Senior Correspondent Zack Beauchamp.
There were no witnesses to Reade’s assault, but she told The Intercept that she’d spoken to a close friend, as well as her brother, at the time of the alleged assault, and both have confirmed this with The Intercept. Reade said Thursday morning on Rising on Hill TV Live that she’s waited so long to speak publicly about what happened because she was afraid of retaliation, and also because back then she “didn’t have the framework” to understand what had happened to her.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/joe-biden-faces-sexual-assault-211641946.htmlSpecial counsel Robert Mueller accuses opponents of offering women money to make ‘false claims’ about himhttps://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/30/mueller-accuses-opponents-of-offering-money-to-make-false-claims-about-him.html
The incredibly shoddy plot to smear Robert Mueller, explained
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/30/18044110/robert-mueller-jacob-wohl-jack-burkman-surefire0 -
She is not accusing Biden of barely "touching her neck", but I get what you and your twitter-friend are doing.CM189191 said:
Some women also wear short skirts.
Might be hard for some to comprehend, but in neither case it takes away from the possibility of them having been raped.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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