The Democratic Presidential Debates

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.

Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

🙃

I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.

100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution.  Public only. 

well the point was for the "higher" education , that's on the student be it a State institution or a private one. the community colleges can be publically funded.

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.

Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

🙃

I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.

100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution.  Public only. 

well the point was for the "higher" education , that's on the student be it a State institution or a private one. the community colleges can be publically funded.

So is Biden advocating only 2 years of education?  

CM189191

wndowpayne said:

benjs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1239280175826731010?s=20

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1239280176594288643?s=20

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1239280177324134404?s=20

This is fantastic. It's seeming more and more like Sanders knows he's not going to win, but wants to get commitments from the Biden campaign to include more progressive policies before he drops out. This is the right time to use this leverage, and arguably the USA will never be more receptive of M4A than they would be right now.

Agree..Sanders knows he cant win but is putting the screws to Biden to get his ideas in there.

......some revolution......

Now will Bernie drop out and support Biden finally? 

No more debates are currently scheduled

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.

Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

🙃

I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.

100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution.  Public only. 

well the point was for the "higher" education , that's on the student be it a State institution or a private one. the community colleges can be publically funded.

So is Biden advocating only 2 years of education?  

not to my knowlege. You'll note I initially said I liked what Obama had in mind. Not thats what Joe would do

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.

Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

🙃

I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.

100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution.  Public only. 

well the point was for the "higher" education , that's on the student be it a State institution or a private one. the community colleges can be publically funded.

So is Biden advocating only 2 years of education?  

not to my knowlege. You'll note I initially said I liked what Obama had in mind. Not thats what Joe would do

The point I was trying to make was that I'm okay with free education if:
1. There's a income cut
2. If for a four year degree, the first two years are community and the last two are public, not private institutions.  

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Biden is alive on a bit of a technicality.  It’s an important choice (assuming he has a chance to beat God’s Chosen One).  For me Warren is the one most ready to be president.  Not to mention a potential draw for the Bernie Bros.

Technicality?  What does that mean?

He’s a walking corpse.  I think both running mates are more like than normal to become President in less than four years.

Ledbetterman10

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Biden is alive on a bit of a technicality.  It’s an important choice (assuming he has a chance to beat God’s Chosen One).  For me Warren is the one most ready to be president.  Not to mention a potential draw for the Bernie Bros.

Technicality?  What does that mean?

He’s a walking corpse.  I think both running mates are more like than normal to become President in less than four years.

Yeah I think Biden's running-mate might be the most scrutinized in history...just based on his age. 

Hi!

Ohio Gov. wants primary delayed

Ledbetterman10

I was all for Sanders fighting to the end, and I really dislike the notion of people suggesting he should just get out of Biden's way and concede. But...with this pandemic making going out to vote risky, the delegate math (and polls of upcoming primaries) firmly in Biden's favor, and Biden making concessions that he'd be willing to adopt some of Sanders' policies, it might be the right time for him to drop out. 

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.

Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

🙃

I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.

100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution.  Public only. 

well the point was for the "higher" education , that's on the student be it a State institution or a private one. the community colleges can be publically funded.

So is Biden advocating only 2 years of education?  

not to my knowlege. You'll note I initially said I liked what Obama had in mind. Not thats what Joe would do

The point I was trying to make was that I'm okay with free education if:
1. There's a income cut
2. If for a four year degree, the first two years are community and the last two are public, not private institutions.  

There should be some requirements for what type of degrees are included

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

I was all for Sanders fighting to the end, and I really dislike the notion of people suggesting he should just get out of Biden's way and concede. But...with this pandemic making going out to vote risky, the delegate math (and polls of upcoming primaries) firmly in Biden's favor, and Biden making concessions that he'd be willing to adopt some of Sanders' policies, it might be the right time for him to drop out. 

Plus he continues to fund raise off people that can ill afford it. 

mrussel1

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Biden is alive on a bit of a technicality.  It’s an important choice (assuming he has a chance to beat God’s Chosen One).  For me Warren is the one most ready to be president.  Not to mention a potential draw for the Bernie Bros.

Technicality?  What does that mean?

He’s a walking corpse.  I think both running mates are more like than normal to become President in less than four years.

We must have different definitions of 'technicality'.  Your statement is also wrong, considering all of the health data that Biden has released.  

JimmyV

I understand the need but I do not like the precedent being set by delaying elections.

Lerxst1992

JimmyV said:

I understand the need but I do not like the precedent being set by delaying elections.

Imagine if it was November and trump was doing just that 

An interesting counter to that would be for pelosi to say fine, your term is over. Step aside.

mickeyrat

Hi! said:

Ohio Gov. wants primary delayed

no word yet here if its been ordered by a judge. I dont know why he is taking it to court when the SOS could order it delayed. If falls under that office.

unless it was to guard against a suit by one of the campaigns who I doubt would protest

benjs

mickeyrat said:

Hi! said:

Ohio Gov. wants primary delayed

no word yet here if its been ordered by a judge. I dont know why he is taking it to court when the SOS could order it delayed. If falls under that office.

unless it was to guard against a suit by one of the campaigns who I doubt would protest

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought primaries fall within the jurisdiction of the party exclusively? If that's true, does a court of law even have any influence over this?

cincybearcat

benjs said:

mickeyrat said:

Hi! said:

Ohio Gov. wants primary delayed

no word yet here if its been ordered by a judge. I dont know why he is taking it to court when the SOS could order it delayed. If falls under that office.

unless it was to guard against a suit by one of the campaigns who I doubt would protest

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought primaries fall within the jurisdiction of the party exclusively? If that's true, does a court of law even have any influence over this?

There are more things on the ballet then the primary 

mrussel1

benjs said:

mickeyrat said:

Hi! said:

Ohio Gov. wants primary delayed

no word yet here if its been ordered by a judge. I dont know why he is taking it to court when the SOS could order it delayed. If falls under that office.

unless it was to guard against a suit by one of the campaigns who I doubt would protest

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought primaries fall within the jurisdiction of the party exclusively? If that's true, does a court of law even have any influence over this?

They are facilitated by the Secretary of State, generally.  

mickeyrat

best info I have found locally....

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/dewine-postpones-in-person-voting-for-primary-until-june-2/

JimmyV

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

I understand the need but I do not like the precedent being set by delaying elections.

Imagine if it was November and trump was doing just that 

An interesting counter to that would be for pelosi to say fine, your term is over. Step aside.

I've been saying for awhile that it is less than 100% we will even have an election in the fall. Sounds crazy but so does almost every other thing Trump has done.