The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:






    This is fantastic. It's seeming more and more like Sanders knows he's not going to win, but wants to get commitments from the Biden campaign to include more progressive policies before he drops out. This is the right time to use this leverage, and arguably the USA will never be more receptive of M4A than they would be right now.
    1. I'm okay with the 125k number for 'free college or university' but I want to see more details and parameters around in demand degrees, and the like.  I'd also want the first two years to be community college.  

    2. I need to read the bankruptcy reform rules from Warren.  This is something that's very sensitive in the credit world.  If you go back to being able to discharge student debt as easily as revolving debt, you will see student lending tighten up severely, reducing the number of people that can attend college (above that 125k line, assuming that bill goes).  
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Hi! said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Joe commits to picking a woman as vp. 
    Amy
    Tulsi 
    Harris
    Abrams
    ?

    Amy
    Harris
    or
    Warren

    Duckworth, I forgot Duckworth
    Is she eligible? She was born in Thailand, I think, but her father was in army or something.
    Otherwise she would be an excellent choice.
    apparently the Senate has a whole website dedicated to this : https://www.senate.gov/senators/Foreign_born.htm

    Yes : Born to American parents abroad

    I'm sure it would be challenged bc the GOP are asses
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Joe commits to picking a woman as vp. 
    Amy
    Tulsi 
    Harris
    Abrams
    ?

    Amy
    Harris
    or
    Warren

    Duckworth, I forgot Duckworth
    Is she eligible? She was born in Thailand, I think, but her father was in army or something.
    Otherwise she would be an excellent choice.
    apparently the Senate has a whole website dedicated to this : https://www.senate.gov/senators/Foreign_born.htm

    Yes : Born to American parents abroad

    I'm sure it would be challenged bc the GOP are asses
    Like McCain...
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    F Me In The Brain said:


    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Joe commits to picking a woman as vp. 
    Amy
    Tulsi 
    Harris
    Abrams
    ?

    Amy
    Harris
    or
    Warren


    Agree, here.  Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
    Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+. 
    I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
    my list was really in particular order

    They are all more qualified than the current dumpster fire
  • Hi!
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Hi! said:
    dignin said:
    Hi! said:
    Joe commits to picking a woman as vp. 
    Amy
    Tulsi 
    Harris
    Abrams
    ?

    Tulsi, haha.
    I like her. She actually never said anything bad about Joe and seemed complimentary when asked, so I figured they could work well together.
    I like her too. And she's pretty moderate (even appears on Fox News sometimes), and a military veteran so maybe she can pull in some independents. And, she's relatively unknown despite her "presidential campaign" so she isn't liked or loathed like some of the other candidates. 

    That said, it won't be her. 

    I just hope it's not Warren or Harris, because I can't stand either of them. Klobuchar, Gillibrand, or even Hillary would be good. It definitely won't be Hillary, but if she didn't already run in 2016, she'd be the perfect running-mate for Biden. 
    I agree. 

    Tulsi gets hammered for her “present” vote, but I actually believe she was where a lot of Americans were on the issue at the time. Right or wrong, if the ultimate goal is to get rid of Baffoon, I believe her stance would be appealing to a lot of moderates, independents, people who just want to get back to normal. 

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  • F Me In The Brain
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    CM189191 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:


    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Joe commits to picking a woman as vp. 
    Amy
    Tulsi 
    Harris
    Abrams
    ?

    Amy
    Harris
    or
    Warren


    Agree, here.  Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
    Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+. 
    I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
    my list was really in particular order

    They are all more qualified than the current dumpster fire

    100% agree
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden is alive on a bit of a technicality.  It’s an important choice (assuming he has a chance to beat God’s Chosen One).  For me Warren is the one most ready to be president.  Not to mention a potential draw for the Bernie Bros.
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  • mrussel1
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    OnWis97 said:
    Biden is alive on a bit of a technicality.  It’s an important choice (assuming he has a chance to beat God’s Chosen One).  For me Warren is the one most ready to be president.  Not to mention a potential draw for the Bernie Bros.
    Technicality?  What does that mean?
  • cincybearcat
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    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    cincybearcat said:
    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
    I thought I heard Biden say his plan to raise the capital gains tax by income would raise $800 (maybe $880 billion?) billion to pay for it.
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  • tbergs
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    cincybearcat said:
    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
    There's been various mentions of options as this plan has been modified and kicked around the last several years. This sounds like a mix of several ideas and plans that have been proposed, but mayble most closely related to Hillary's. This article provides some pretty good details on how it might get paid .

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/23/18714615/bernie-sanders-free-college-for-all-2020-student-loan-debt
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited March 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
    Works well for other countries. 

    Time to let your ball room days start, baby.
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  • CM189191
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    cincybearcat said:
    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
    Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

    Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

    Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

    🙃
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359
    F Me In The Brain said:


    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Joe commits to picking a woman as vp. 
    Amy
    Tulsi 
    Harris
    Abrams
    ?

    Amy
    Harris
    or
    Warren


    Agree, here.  Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
    Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+. 
    I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
    if Amy, then Mn gov can appoint Franken as replacement til elected.......
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mickeyrat said:
    F Me In The Brain said:


    CM189191 said:
    Hi! said:
    Joe commits to picking a woman as vp. 
    Amy
    Tulsi 
    Harris
    Abrams
    ?

    Amy
    Harris
    or
    Warren


    Agree, here.  Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
    Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+. 
    I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
    if Amy, then Mn gov can appoint Franken as replacement til elected.......
    I'm okay with this
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359
    CM189191 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
    Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

    Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

    Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

    🙃
    I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

    CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

    NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
    Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

    Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

    Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

    🙃
    I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

    CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

    NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.
    100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution.  Public only. 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
    Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

    Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

    Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

    🙃
    I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

    CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

    NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.
    100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution.  Public only. 

    Agreed.  All prisons should be publicly owned institutions.  No private prisons.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Free college under $125k?  How to pay for it?  Any details?  without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
    Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years. 

    Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.

    Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?

    🙃
    I'd agree to Obama's plan.  Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with  revamped student loan system.

    CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.

    NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.
    100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution.  Public only. 

    Agreed.  All prisons should be publicly owned institutions.  No private prisons.
    fully agree here too
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:






    This is fantastic. It's seeming more and more like Sanders knows he's not going to win, but wants to get commitments from the Biden campaign to include more progressive policies before he drops out. This is the right time to use this leverage, and arguably the USA will never be more receptive of M4A than they would be right now.

    Agree..Sanders knows he cant win but is putting the screws to Biden to get his ideas in there.
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