The Democratic Presidential Debates

Gern Blansten

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten said:

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

I could think of about 50 billion reasons he would think that. 

Frankly, I think he's even more out of touch with common people than Trump is. If nothing else, Trump can at least put on a façade and trick people into thinking he's championing them. Bloomberg has no hope. I think he's less electable in a general than Biden for sure, and maybe, just maybe, even Sanders. 

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Here's an interesting article by Dreher that discusses the aversion that the far left wing of the queer community have against Pete.  It's another interesting read to stimulate conversation.  
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gays-who-hate-pete-buttigieg/

Some of these people on the extreme ends of the political spectrum are just wackos. I'm sure most reasonable gay people feel that his political success further normalizes being gay, and they probably appreciate that. 

Yes!  And that's the point!  The Civil Rights movement was about the AA community participating fully in the American dream.  I thought the gay movement was the same.  Now I don't expect people to be homogeneous, but don't trash the guy for wanting a partner, a kid, a picket fence.  That's his choice and now it's available to him.  So what if being gay is just one part of his identity, not his whole identity.  

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

I could think of about 50 billion reasons he would think that. 

Frankly, I think he's even more out of touch with common people than Trump is. If nothing else, Trump can at least put on a façade and trick people into thinking he's championing them. Bloomberg has no hope. I think he's less electable in a general than Biden for sure, and maybe, just maybe, even Sanders. 

I would not count him out...primarly because of all those reasons you mentioned. However if he is not immensely better next week, then yeah...focus your money on whoever is the nominee. He should've been better equipped to handle that onslaught last night. He has some of the best people in politics working for him. 

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

Maybe since they had a VP and are currently running the same guy that sniff and touches girls/women inappropriately he felt it was a safe place?

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

I could think of about 50 billion reasons he would think that. 

Frankly, I think he's even more out of touch with common people than Trump is. If nothing else, Trump can at least put on a façade and trick people into thinking he's championing them. Bloomberg has no hope. I think he's less electable in a general than Biden for sure, and maybe, just maybe, even Sanders. 

I would not count him out...primarly because of all those reasons you mentioned. However if he is not immensely better next week, then yeah...focus your money on whoever is the nominee. He should've been better equipped to handle that onslaught last night. He has some of the best people in politics working for him. 

He should bankroll Pete.  

The Juggler

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

I could think of about 50 billion reasons he would think that. 

Frankly, I think he's even more out of touch with common people than Trump is. If nothing else, Trump can at least put on a façade and trick people into thinking he's championing them. Bloomberg has no hope. I think he's less electable in a general than Biden for sure, and maybe, just maybe, even Sanders. 

I would not count him out...primarly because of all those reasons you mentioned. However if he is not immensely better next week, then yeah...focus your money on whoever is the nominee. He should've been better equipped to handle that onslaught last night. He has some of the best people in politics working for him. 

He should bankroll Pete.  

Problem is time is running out. I think we're headed for a contested convention.

Aaaand of course Bernie was the only one who wanted to just hand the nomination to the person with the most delegates even if he/she didn't meet the threshold. Opposite position he held four years ago.

Ledbetterman10

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

I could think of about 50 billion reasons he would think that. 

Frankly, I think he's even more out of touch with common people than Trump is. If nothing else, Trump can at least put on a façade and trick people into thinking he's championing them. Bloomberg has no hope. I think he's less electable in a general than Biden for sure, and maybe, just maybe, even Sanders. 

I would not count him out...primarly because of all those reasons you mentioned. However if he is not immensely better next week, then yeah...focus your money on whoever is the nominee. He should've been better equipped to handle that onslaught last night. He has some of the best people in politics working for him. 

Well that's another thing, since he has an endless supply of money, will he even drop out if he's far behind in delegates? Or will be stick around hoping for a brokered convention and a shot at the nomination that way?

He reminds me a bit of Hillary in that I feel she could have been a fine president, but she was a crappy candidate. Bloomberg's probably the same. I'm sure he could run the country just fine, but connecting with people might be tough. Trump's the complete opposite: great candidate that can connect with people and rile them up, but a crappy president. 

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

I could think of about 50 billion reasons he would think that. 

Frankly, I think he's even more out of touch with common people than Trump is. If nothing else, Trump can at least put on a façade and trick people into thinking he's championing them. Bloomberg has no hope. I think he's less electable in a general than Biden for sure, and maybe, just maybe, even Sanders. 

I would not count him out...primarly because of all those reasons you mentioned. However if he is not immensely better next week, then yeah...focus your money on whoever is the nominee. He should've been better equipped to handle that onslaught last night. He has some of the best people in politics working for him. 

Well that's another thing, since he has an endless supply of money, will he even drop out if he's far behind in delegates? Or will be stick around hoping for a brokered convention and a shot at the nomination that way?

He reminds me a bit of Hillary in that I feel she could have been a fine president, but she was a crappy candidate. Bloomberg's probably the same. I'm sure he could run the country just fine, but connecting with people might be tough. Trump's the complete opposite: great candidate that can connect with people and rile them up, but a crappy president. 

I think the calm, cool, collected approach can work for him....his problem was he just had no answers. That, to me, is inexcusable. I get that he is rusty (been over a decade since he debated and hasn't done any townhals), but come on.

He's banking everything on Super Tuesday. I would be shocked if he stayed in if he does a lot worse than he anticipates. 

Ledbetterman10

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Bentleyspop said:

  

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1230347968194084871?s=19

hilarious....she fucking destroyed him

Honestly I wasn't aware of Bloomberg's skeletons....what the fuck made him think he could get beyond those in the party that forced out Al Franken?

I could think of about 50 billion reasons he would think that. 

Frankly, I think he's even more out of touch with common people than Trump is. If nothing else, Trump can at least put on a façade and trick people into thinking he's championing them. Bloomberg has no hope. I think he's less electable in a general than Biden for sure, and maybe, just maybe, even Sanders. 

I would not count him out...primarly because of all those reasons you mentioned. However if he is not immensely better next week, then yeah...focus your money on whoever is the nominee. He should've been better equipped to handle that onslaught last night. He has some of the best people in politics working for him. 

Well that's another thing, since he has an endless supply of money, will he even drop out if he's far behind in delegates? Or will be stick around hoping for a brokered convention and a shot at the nomination that way?

He reminds me a bit of Hillary in that I feel she could have been a fine president, but she was a crappy candidate. Bloomberg's probably the same. I'm sure he could run the country just fine, but connecting with people might be tough. Trump's the complete opposite: great candidate that can connect with people and rile them up, but a crappy president. 

I think the calm, cool, collected approach can work for him....his problem was he just had no answers. That, to me, is inexcusable. I get that he is rusty (been over a decade since he debated and hasn't done any townhals), but come on.

He's banking everything on Super Tuesday. I would be shocked if he stayed in if he does a lot worse than he anticipates. 

Yeah his rust, coupled with the other candidates being at this for almost a year, was a recipe for disaster. 

brianlux

The Juggler said:

For those of us who don't care for a revolution as much as we care about simply getting rid of Donald Trump, last night was....less than ideal.

Amy...I've liked her, but it's time to hang 'em up. Let her supporters gravitate towards a moderate with a better chance.

Pete...The calmest person on the stage...but came across too mean spirited, especially towards Amy.

Joe...Solid debate performance. But should've gone after Bernie more. Overshadowed by the Liz's angry performance.

Angry Liz...Did she join Bernie's campaign? I understand she hates billionaires, and she certainly bloodied up Mike but....in order for her to gain traction, she needed to take on the front runner, who just happens to be the only guy left of her. What an odd performance. It's like she is conceding the race to Bernie and wants to just make his path easier.

Mike...How was he this unprepared? Expectations were low but they had to have prepped him for all the shit the left/Trump was throwing at him over the last week. Wouldn't have been easy, but he could've quickly acknowledged poor behavior in the past, that he learned from it and is sorry---and then pivoted to attacking Trump (to his defense, he did try to go after Trump more so than the others, which is the whole point of the 2020 campaign). Better 2nd hour....nice shot at Bernie but he has to be immensely better next week.

Bernie...One of the two winners from last night. Not because of any of the talk about all the things he actually will not be able to do as president since there is no way the dems will gain 20+ senate seats, but because nobody really came after him---which makes no sense because the guy is the front runner, yet everyone else chose to spend their time going after Bloomberg.

At the end of the day, there was a lot of talk about polices that have zero chance of happening and not nearly enough time devoted to removing the president from office which is WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE RUNNING IN THE FIRST PLACE. So fucking frustrating.

I don't think much has changed. Sanders might be stronger, Bloomberg might be weaker. Overall, the republicans loved what they saw and Trump's chances improved a bit. 


Ugh.

Excellent summation, Juggler.  Very much as how I saw it all go down as well.

Ledbetterman10

Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....

https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1230515129877434368

brianlux

Here's an interesting thought.  This, I fully admit, is hypothetical, but I like to get these thoughts down anyway:

There seems to be a wide spread feeling among Democratic voters that this year's Democratic primary is very frustrating.  Other than the die hard fans in each camp, many of us do not feel strongly about any of the front running candidates.  Most of us moderately to strongly dislike certain aspects of all or most of the candidates and many of us strongly dislike some of them altogether.  Yet, when we were talking about Andrew Yang, I heard very little negative feedback about him.  And that's not just here, that is in general.  He seems well liked and well likeable.  So why is he out of the race?  I believe it is money.  Sadly, in America, money wins the game.  (Bloomberg may well prove to be the exception.) 

So my wild assed hypothesis is this:  If every registered Democrat in America had made a one time donation of $10 to Andrew Yang's campaign, I believe he would be leading the pack.  True, he did not do well in the last debate he was in, but there were circumstances that contributed to that:  he was mostly ignored by the panel and given little time, he was exhausted from a crazy hard schedule trying to raise many and he also had to make more appearances than the others to get some exposure, and I have read that his mic was cut at times during the debate. 

The man is well liked by a broad spectrum of people.  If only, in a more perfect world.  If only.

cincybearcat

Ledbetterman10 said:

Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....

https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1230515129877434368

That was hilarious actually

Spiritual_Chaos

maybe people doesnt go after bernie because they know they wont win over his base. their percantage gains will come from their moderate rivals?

Ledbetterman10

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....

https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1230515129877434368

That was hilarious actually

I'll give ya "somewhat funny," but not "hilarious." Either way, to have such a miserable debate yesterday, cherry-pick this moment, and have your staff create a Trumpian meme out of it just isn't the best look. 

Ledbetterman10

I just think the Dems would be well-served to have his money, but better off without him in the race. Like if he was backing Biden rather than running himself, that would be a good thing for the Dems.

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

I just think the Dems would be well-served to have his money, but better off without him in the race. Like if he was backing Biden rather than running himself, that would be a good thing for the Dems.

Biden is the one person in the race that would be completely run over by Trump in debates. 

He is KISS on the second farewell tour

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Here's an interesting thought.  This, I fully admit, is hypothetical, but I like to get these thoughts down anyway:

There seems to be a wide spread feeling among Democratic voters that this year's Democratic primary is very frustrating.  Other than the die hard fans in each camp, many of us do not feel strongly about any of the front running candidates.  Most of us moderately to strongly dislike certain aspects of all or most of the candidates and many of us strongly dislike some of them altogether.  Yet, when we were talking about Andrew Yang, I heard very little negative feedback about him.  And that's not just here, that is in general.  He seems well liked and well likeable.  So why is he out of the race?  I believe it is money.  Sadly, in America, money wins the game.  (Bloomberg may well prove to be the exception.) 

So my wild assed hypothesis is this:  If every registered Democrat in America had made a one time donation of $10 to Andrew Yang's campaign, I believe he would be leading the pack.  True, he did not do well in the last debate he was in, but there were circumstances that contributed to that:  he was mostly ignored by the panel and given little time, he was exhausted from a crazy hard schedule trying to raise many and he also had to make more appearances than the others to get some exposure, and I have read that his mic was cut at times during the debate. 

The man is well liked by a broad spectrum of people.  If only, in a more perfect world.  If only.

I think people are panicking because of the (perceived or real) desperation to make sure Trump loses. 

Halifax2TheMax

Bloomy ought to run indie. Siphons more votes from repubs as his “qualities” appeal more to the deplorable part of that repub/Indy spectrum.