Ticketmaster Verified Resale, Dynamic Pricing, etc.

Lerxst1992

Should mention that in the tour that led to this discussion- Tool - the 2nd sold out LA show had extremely reasonably priced lower level tickets the day before the show after the band released a fresh supply of tickets. This was after most lowers were $400+ after the show originally sold out.

When multiple shows are played and ticket supply is not limited to a private club, the market has a chance to adjust. And fans didn't need to make their buying decisions in 1998.

dudeman

So, unless you don't have to plan ahead with regard to child care, travel, or time off work, you can wait until just before the show and get a reasonably priced ticket. Maybe.

Otherwise, if you have to make arrangements well ahead of the show, be prepared to pay ridiculous prices for tickets. 

Got it. 

pjl44

Lerxst1992 said:

Should mention that in the tour that led to this discussion- Tool - the 2nd sold out LA show had extremely reasonably priced lower level tickets the day before the show after the band released a fresh supply of tickets. This was after most lowers were $400+ after the show originally sold out.

When multiple shows are played and ticket supply is not limited to a private club, the market has a chance to adjust. And fans didn't need to make their buying decisions in 1998.

The Ten Club ticketing situation is only a problem for you or people in your situation. It's not an objective problem so no one cares. The band is happy and the fans sitting in those seats are happy. No one is losing sleep over the guys who want to buy their way up front and can't. 

benjs

dudeman said:

So, unless you don't have to plan ahead with regard to child care, travel, or time off work, you can wait until just before the show and get a reasonably priced ticket. Maybe.

Otherwise, if you have to make arrangements well ahead of the show, be prepared to pay ridiculous prices for tickets. 

Got it. 

So, unless you can be online at a specific time on a specific day and can win the Ticketmaster ticket purchasing opportunity and have access to funds right then and there, you're obligated to pay "ridiculous prices" while a band is obligated to deny themselves a piece of that pie because the scalpers have earned that privilege. Got it.

When supply can't meet demand, suppliers raise prices. If the suppliers don't raise the prices, the scalpers do. This has been happening for years when bands price their tickets under market value. In either case, the cumulative amount of money spent on the concerts are likely in the same ballpark. I'm actually so much less okay with scalpers making that profit and me getting into a show for less because I've got a good set of trigger fingers (which I do), than I am paying market rates and more revenue going back to the artists and venues and yes - even Ticketmaster. 

dudeman

The difference for me is that I have never bought tickets from a scalper, nor have I ever purchased tickets with the intention of selling them for profit.

 This new system denies the consumer of a direct transaction without someone, or some company shoving their way into the position of middleman. No additional value is gained for the consumer and in my case, if denied the opportunity to not deal with a scalper, individual or corporate, I just won't go to shows. No money from me for concessions or merch. The band, venue, TM and promoter get nothing.

I fully understand the new system and why it is what it is. I just don't like it and won't contribute to it.

Poncier

Lerxst1992 said:

Should mention that in the tour that led to this discussion- Tool - the 2nd sold out LA show had extremely reasonably priced lower level tickets the day before the show after the band released a fresh supply of tickets. This was after most lowers were $400+ after the show originally sold out.

When multiple shows are played and ticket supply is not limited to a private club, the market has a chance to adjust. And fans didn't need to make their buying decisions in 1998.

Right, for those who can decide to go to the show the day before and are smart enough to check for production releases, the system can work. For 95% of fans who need to make plans further in advance and/or aren't privy to the fact that production releases happen, the current system bends them over. (to remove excess cash from their wallet, what were you thinking I meant?)

Lerxst1992

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Should mention that in the tour that led to this discussion- Tool - the 2nd sold out LA show had extremely reasonably priced lower level tickets the day before the show after the band released a fresh supply of tickets. This was after most lowers were $400+ after the show originally sold out.

When multiple shows are played and ticket supply is not limited to a private club, the market has a chance to adjust. And fans didn't need to make their buying decisions in 1998.

The Ten Club ticketing situation is only a problem for you or people in your situation. It's not an objective problem so no one cares. The band is happy and the fans sitting in those seats are happy. No one is losing sleep over the guys who want to buy their way up front and can't. 

I only care about myself getting the best seats each and every  tour, which drives up prices for everyone else by limiting supply. And certainly I  dont care about someone else's right to an opinion or to speak.

More face value Tool tickets released today for tonight's show. Again.

Really its a novel and cool concept making tickets available to the public at face value to a sold out show.

Zod

Isn't it common for their to be ticket drops to concerts on the day of?  That's always been one of the top rules in getting tickets to a show:

1) If the band has a fan club, joint it to get advance tickets

2) If the tickets from the fan club suck, don't buy them

3) Try all the presales

4) If the presales suck, try the general sale

5) Make sure you try for over an hour on the general sale.  Quite often they dump more tickets an hour or two into it.   I've gotten amazing side stage seats from drops like that.

6) If none of that worked, bookmark the event page and keep checking.  Tickets randomly drop.

7) There are always ticket drops the week of, and the day of a show.  Left over comp tickets, side stage tickets that were originally blocked off with concerns of obstructed view... etc....  Most of those last minute ticket drops are great tickets.

That's what I've always done.  I've had amazing tickets to most of the shows I've gone too.   Until PJ brought out GA pits, 10c tickets (Even with seniority back to '98) tended to be the worst tickets I had to shows.  Always had better tickets for other concerts.

I completely empathize with bands capturing the revenue scalpers were taking.  I do know for a fact it's resulting in me going to less shows.   Where it used to be the travel was the most expensive part of going to a show, it's now the tickets.   Or at best it's the same.  It makes going to concerts crazy expensive.  Unless it's my favourite band, it's superhard plunking down that money to see a band I've already seen 3 to 5 times already.

pjl44

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Should mention that in the tour that led to this discussion- Tool - the 2nd sold out LA show had extremely reasonably priced lower level tickets the day before the show after the band released a fresh supply of tickets. This was after most lowers were $400+ after the show originally sold out.

When multiple shows are played and ticket supply is not limited to a private club, the market has a chance to adjust. And fans didn't need to make their buying decisions in 1998.

The Ten Club ticketing situation is only a problem for you or people in your situation. It's not an objective problem so no one cares. The band is happy and the fans sitting in those seats are happy. No one is losing sleep over the guys who want to buy their way up front and can't. 

I only care about myself getting the best seats each and every  tour, which drives up prices for everyone else by limiting supply. And certainly I  dont care about someone else's right to an opinion or to speak.

More face value Tool tickets released today for tonight's show. Again.

Really its a novel and cool concept making tickets available to the public at face value to a sold out show.

Why in the world would I care where someone else sits at an arena rock concert? "Won't someone think of the neglected rich who can't buy their way up front for this one band?" Maybe start a 501(c)(3) and advocate?

Poncier

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Should mention that in the tour that led to this discussion- Tool - the 2nd sold out LA show had extremely reasonably priced lower level tickets the day before the show after the band released a fresh supply of tickets. This was after most lowers were $400+ after the show originally sold out.

When multiple shows are played and ticket supply is not limited to a private club, the market has a chance to adjust. And fans didn't need to make their buying decisions in 1998.

The Ten Club ticketing situation is only a problem for you or people in your situation. It's not an objective problem so no one cares. The band is happy and the fans sitting in those seats are happy. No one is losing sleep over the guys who want to buy their way up front and can't. 

Really its a novel and cool concept making tickets available to the public at face value to a sold out show.

Nothing novel about it. Production releases, seats held back by some combination of band/promoter/venue for band guests, VIPs and such. (And sometimes once the stage is erected they realize some seats they thought would be blocked aren't so they can now sell those) Usually they don't use everything they hold and once they know what they aren't using they just miraculously pop up for sale on TM. And these are always good to great seats. Happens for almost every show (including PJ), has always been the case. Just a matter of knowing about it (which most of the public don't) and looking at the right time.
It's how I get a lot of my tickets. If I don't get anything I'm satisfied with during an on sale then I just monitor the show for a release, and pay particular attention the last 2 weeks or so. Sometimes it doesn't happen till day of show, but if you're diligent in checking you will find something the vast majority of the time.

Lerxst1992

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Should mention that in the tour that led to this discussion- Tool - the 2nd sold out LA show had extremely reasonably priced lower level tickets the day before the show after the band released a fresh supply of tickets. This was after most lowers were $400+ after the show originally sold out.

When multiple shows are played and ticket supply is not limited to a private club, the market has a chance to adjust. And fans didn't need to make their buying decisions in 1998.

The Ten Club ticketing situation is only a problem for you or people in your situation. It's not an objective problem so no one cares. The band is happy and the fans sitting in those seats are happy. No one is losing sleep over the guys who want to buy their way up front and can't. 

I only care about myself getting the best seats each and every  tour, which drives up prices for everyone else by limiting supply. And certainly I  dont care about someone else's right to an opinion or to speak.

More face value Tool tickets released today for tonight's show. Again.

Really its a novel and cool concept making tickets available to the public at face value to a sold out show.

Why in the world would I care where someone else sits at an arena rock concert? "Won't someone think of the neglected rich who can't buy their way up front for this one band?" Maybe start a 501(c)(3) and advocate?

 I'm a ticket snob, but dont need front ten rows. Dont mind it but dont need it.  I'm ok with sitting lower level. Even the first couple of rows in the balcony 

This topic originated because Tool was getting alot of heat when the majority of this tour's tickets sold out immediately.   I think their system is fairer than a private sale. I'm not looking to set up a nonprofit, just expressing that opinion on a forum. All fans should get a reasonable chance at tickets and limiting supply to the market drives up prices except for a select few. 

Lerxst1992

Zod said:

Isn't it common for their to be ticket drops to concerts on the day of?  That's always been one of the top rules in getting tickets to a show:

1) If the band has a fan club, joint it to get advance tickets

2) If the tickets from the fan club suck, don't buy them

3) Try all the presales

4) If the presales suck, try the general sale

5) Make sure you try for over an hour on the general sale.  Quite often they dump more tickets an hour or two into it.   I've gotten amazing side stage seats from drops like that.

6) If none of that worked, bookmark the event page and keep checking.  Tickets randomly drop.

7) There are always ticket drops the week of, and the day of a show.  Left over comp tickets, side stage tickets that were originally blocked off with concerns of obstructed view... etc....  Most of those last minute ticket drops are great tickets.

That's what I've always done.  I've had amazing tickets to most of the shows I've gone too.   Until PJ brought out GA pits, 10c tickets (Even with seniority back to '98) tended to be the worst tickets I had to shows.  Always had better tickets for other concerts.

I completely empathize with bands capturing the revenue scalpers were taking.  I do know for a fact it's resulting in me going to less shows.   Where it used to be the travel was the most expensive part of going to a show, it's now the tickets.   Or at best it's the same.  It makes going to concerts crazy expensive.  Unless it's my favourite band, it's superhard plunking down that money to see a band I've already seen 3 to 5 times already.

My experience has been that ticket drops are common except for the exclusive fan model. In NY I have never been lucky enough to see decent PJ seats drop the week of the show.

Regarding your point 2) that's impossible under the 10c model as seats are not disclosed at time of purchase. That's why I didnt join back in the day. But when I heard of the GA option that seemed a fair disclosure at time of purchase so I finally joined.

You have lots of excellent buying advice, but the last couple times NY was lucky to host PJ, I saw nothing under $500 lower level front of stage IIRC. And certainly no ticket drops.

They did drop tix for at Fenway but unfortunately that went to my spam and I didnt find out until it was too late. Oh well.

Poncier

Ticketmaster/Live Nation just topped themselves with their dynamic price bullshit.
Black Crowes tix go on sale. The face value for some good seats is $135.00. I click on 3 seats on the map have them "carted" showing $135.00 price, click "Next" and the next confirmation page loads with the tickets having a face value now of $152.50.

I'd like one of our resident Ticketmaster apologists to defend this practice.

pjl44

Poncier said:

Ticketmaster/Live Nation just topped themselves with their dynamic price bullshit.
Black Crowes tix go on sale. The face value for some good seats is $135.00. I click on 3 seats on the map have them "carted" showing $135.00 price, click "Next" and the next confirmation page loads with the tickets having a face value now of $152.50.

I'd like one of our resident Ticketmaster apologists to defend this practice.

I can't defend that. That's supremely fucked up if you carted them at one price and it jumps. For the record, I definitely saw those tickets go from 135 to 152.50 via searching.

pjsteelerfan

pjl44 said:

Poncier said:

Ticketmaster/Live Nation just topped themselves with their dynamic price bullshit.
Black Crowes tix go on sale. The face value for some good seats is $135.00. I click on 3 seats on the map have them "carted" showing $135.00 price, click "Next" and the next confirmation page loads with the tickets having a face value now of $152.50.

I'd like one of our resident Ticketmaster apologists to defend this practice.

I can't defend that. That's supremely fucked up if you carted them at one price and it jumps. For the record, I definitely saw those tickets go from 135 to 152.50 via searching.

Is that $135 and then $152.50 once you add in all the convenience fees?

pjl44

Also just now saw Sec 2 Row K go from a 152.50 Standard Ticket to a 337.50 Official Platinum Ticket

Lol

pjl44

pjsteelerfan said:

pjl44 said:

Poncier said:

Ticketmaster/Live Nation just topped themselves with their dynamic price bullshit.
Black Crowes tix go on sale. The face value for some good seats is $135.00. I click on 3 seats on the map have them "carted" showing $135.00 price, click "Next" and the next confirmation page loads with the tickets having a face value now of $152.50.

I'd like one of our resident Ticketmaster apologists to defend this practice.

I can't defend that. That's supremely fucked up if you carted them at one price and it jumps. For the record, I definitely saw those tickets go from 135 to 152.50 via searching.

Is that $135 and then $152.50 once you add in all the convenience fees?

No...that was before fees. I carted both of them and after fees they went from 160 to 180.

Poncier

pjsteelerfan said:

pjl44 said:

Poncier said:

Ticketmaster/Live Nation just topped themselves with their dynamic price bullshit.
Black Crowes tix go on sale. The face value for some good seats is $135.00. I click on 3 seats on the map have them "carted" showing $135.00 price, click "Next" and the next confirmation page loads with the tickets having a face value now of $152.50.

I'd like one of our resident Ticketmaster apologists to defend this practice.

I can't defend that. That's supremely fucked up if you carted them at one price and it jumps. For the record, I definitely saw those tickets go from 135 to 152.50 via searching.

Is that $135 and then $152.50 once you add in all the convenience fees?

No that was the face, the fees were listed separately ($28.50 a seat)

Poncier

pjl44 said:

Also just now saw Sec 2 Row K go from a 152.50 Standard Ticket to a 337.50 Official Platinum Ticket

Lol

Saw that as well. And that 2K was $135.00 earlier.

pjl44

Poncier said:

pjl44 said:

Also just now saw Sec 2 Row K go from a 152.50 Standard Ticket to a 337.50 Official Platinum Ticket

Lol

Saw that as well. And that 2K was $135.00 earlier.

It's crazy to watch in real time