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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2019
    U.S.A.
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    As apposed to the gangstas, druggies or people with face tattoos that cannot get good jobs and blame everything (including the poor decisions they have made) on lack of privilege?

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    Canada
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    As apposed to the gangstas, druggies or people with face tattoos that cannot get good jobs and blame everything (including the poor decisions they have made) on lack of privilege?

    There are so many jobs that people with face tattoos can get now.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    U.S.A.
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    As apposed to the gangstas, druggies or people with face tattoos that cannot get good jobs and blame everything (including the poor decisions they have made) on lack of privilege?

    There are so many jobs that people with face tattoos can get now.
    The circuses and telemarketing agencies can only hire so many...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    U.S.A.
    PJ_Soul said:
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    Oh, okay, 3rd category: selfish jerks. Although they could arguable fall under the moron category too, since they fail to understand that a healthy society overall, where some aren't suffering due to an inequitable healthcare system (human rights violation) is good for them. I don't, however, include those who simply want to know the details of a smooth transition. That would suggest to me that they support universal healthcare, but just want a transition to it to be as painless as possible.
    Are you using universal healthcare synonymously with Medicare 4 all/ single payer?  Or are you saying that everyone should have healthcare but there are different options to achieve universal?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    Canada
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    As apposed to the gangstas, druggies or people with face tattoos that cannot get good jobs and blame everything (including the poor decisions they have made) on lack of privilege?

    There are so many jobs that people with face tattoos can get now.
    The circuses and telemarketing agencies can only hire so many...
    No, there a lot more jobs than that. I'm not advocating for people to do that, just saying that doing it isn't necessarily life-ruining anymore. Those people have far more options than they used to, because far more people are open minded about it now.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    U.S.A.
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    As apposed to the gangstas, druggies or people with face tattoos that cannot get good jobs and blame everything (including the poor decisions they have made) on lack of privilege?

    There are so many jobs that people with face tattoos can get now.
    The circuses and telemarketing agencies can only hire so many...
    No, there a lot more jobs than that. I'm not advocating for people to do that, just saying that doing it isn't necessarily life-ruining anymore. Those people have far more options than they used to, because far more people are open minded about it now.
    I bet there are...But I am still willing to bet the job market for people with face tattoos is a bit less broad than for people without...but I digress.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    Canada
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    As apposed to the gangstas, druggies or people with face tattoos that cannot get good jobs and blame everything (including the poor decisions they have made) on lack of privilege?

    There are so many jobs that people with face tattoos can get now.
    The circuses and telemarketing agencies can only hire so many...
    No, there a lot more jobs than that. I'm not advocating for people to do that, just saying that doing it isn't necessarily life-ruining anymore. Those people have far more options than they used to, because far more people are open minded about it now.
    I bet there are...But I am still willing to bet the job market for people with face tattoos is a bit less broad than for people without...but I digress.
    Yes, of course it's less broad... but honestly, people who are deciding to get face tattoos aren't likely too interested in traditional career anyway, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    U.S.A.
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    As apposed to the gangstas, druggies or people with face tattoos that cannot get good jobs and blame everything (including the poor decisions they have made) on lack of privilege?

    There are so many jobs that people with face tattoos can get now.
    The circuses and telemarketing agencies can only hire so many...
    No, there a lot more jobs than that. I'm not advocating for people to do that, just saying that doing it isn't necessarily life-ruining anymore. Those people have far more options than they used to, because far more people are open minded about it now.
    I bet there are...But I am still willing to bet the job market for people with face tattoos is a bit less broad than for people without...but I digress.
    Yes, of course it's less broad... but honestly, people who are deciding to get face tattoos aren't likely too interested in traditional career anyway, lol.
    Ha, most likely not.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited July 2019
    Canada
    Swedish ambassador to the US:
    "It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

    Swedish ambassador to the US again:
    She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
     - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

    HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

    Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

    Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Canada
    Swedish ambassador to the US:
    "It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

    Swedish ambassador to the US again:
    She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
     - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

    HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

    Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

    Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 
    Who cares about this jagoff
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Canada
    As for face tats...who cares.  There decision, live by the decision...I would never hire a moron that tatted up their face and neck...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited July 2019
    Canada
    Swedish ambassador to the US:
    "It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

    Swedish ambassador to the US again:
    She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
     - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

    HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

    Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

    Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 
    Who cares about this jagoff
    Jag gör det. Verkar som att amerikanska politiker inte är mycket att hänga i julgranen. Jag önskar att jag var stjärnan som satt i toppen.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    U.S.A.
    Swedish ambassador to the US:
    "It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

    Swedish ambassador to the US again:
    She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
     - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

    HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

    Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

    Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 
    Who cares about this jagoff
    Jag gör det. Verkar som att amerikanska politiker inte är mycket att hänga i julgranen. Jag önskar att jag var stjärnan som satt i toppen.
     You want a tree up your butt? Am I reading this right?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    U.S.A.
    Swedish ambassador to the US:
    "It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

    Swedish ambassador to the US again:
    She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
     - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

    HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

    Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

    Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 
    Maybe they just think the system is stupid.  I think that's probably closer to accurate.  However it's not like I've never run into a Swede yapping their trap about America without understanding the system. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    Anywhere other than planet earth
    Swedish ambassador to the US:
    "It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

    Swedish ambassador to the US again:
    She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
     - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

    HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

    Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

    Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 
    Who cares about this jagoff
    Jag gör det. Verkar som att amerikanska politiker inte är mycket att hänga i julgranen. Jag önskar att jag var stjärnan som satt i toppen.
    Translation:
    I do it. Looks like American politicians are not much to hang out in the Christmas tree. I wish I was the star who sat at the top.

    Huh?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Canada
    PJPOWER said:
    I'm at my third holiday week of 5 payed (little more $$$ than when working). We get that every ear, If i manage to leave my sofa and slip, break a leg, I go to my doctor and get that taken care of, for free. So I think I'm staying in Sweden :-)

    Oh, yes, we keep that damn rapper in custody, he wont get a chance to skip his sentence. He can't pay his way out of here as in the US :-)
    The only way you get “free” healthcare is if you do not pay taxes and still get it (even though you are mooching off others at that point), and from what I understand, Sweden taxes are pretty high.  Also, I was thinking, I have the option where I work to work less days throughout the year.  I choose not to because working more days increases my yearly income.  I guarantee companies factor in how many days you work into your overall yearly income.  Are you sure you are not getting scammed with a lower overall yearly income due to those “payed vacation days”?  
    If the data in the article below is accurate, and he makes a good case, if Sweden was a US state, it would be comparable with Kentucky in regards to disposable income:
    https://mises.org/wire/when-it-comes-household-income-sweden-and-germany-rank-kentucky

    You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.
    Whats is it like to know everything?  Because when it comes to taxes that Canadians pay, you have no fuckin clue, and you have no clue about Canada.  I could care a less how much you pay for health insurance.  Do not like how much you pay, then work toward a better system.  Jesus, you need to buy better Cannabis...you act like you know everything, when in fact you have NO fuckin clue how Canada works...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Canada
    PJPOWER said:
    I'm at my third holiday week of 5 payed (little more $$$ than when working). We get that every ear, If i manage to leave my sofa and slip, break a leg, I go to my doctor and get that taken care of, for free. So I think I'm staying in Sweden :-)

    Oh, yes, we keep that damn rapper in custody, he wont get a chance to skip his sentence. He can't pay his way out of here as in the US :-)
    The only way you get “free” healthcare is if you do not pay taxes and still get it (even though you are mooching off others at that point), and from what I understand, Sweden taxes are pretty high.  Also, I was thinking, I have the option where I work to work less days throughout the year.  I choose not to because working more days increases my yearly income.  I guarantee companies factor in how many days you work into your overall yearly income.  Are you sure you are not getting scammed with a lower overall yearly income due to those “payed vacation days”?  
    If the data in the article below is accurate, and he makes a good case, if Sweden was a US state, it would be comparable with Kentucky in regards to disposable income:
    https://mises.org/wire/when-it-comes-household-income-sweden-and-germany-rank-kentucky

    You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.
    Except we do not view taking care of our fellow countrymen who for whatever reason are down on their luck.  As a matter of fact, I am confident if a referendum were held today on expanding healthcare to include Pharma, Dental and Vision, I think it would stand a chance of passing...also, healthcare is not a social program its a human right...


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited July 2019
    Canada
    mrussel1 said:
    Swedish ambassador to the US:
    "It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

    Swedish ambassador to the US again:
    She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
     - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

    HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

    Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

    Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 
    Maybe they just think the system is stupid.  I think that's probably closer to accurate.  However it's not like I've never run into a Swede yapping their trap about America without understanding the system. 
    So you think the swedish ambassador have to have a new meeting with them about us not having a bail system, because they "think its stupid"? 

    Doesn't make they sound any better

    - We don't have a bail system
    - We think that is stupid
    - Well, okey?
    - We are america!
    - Okey?

    The cliche of american ignorance. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    Canada
    Daniel Suneson decides to indict in Stockholm on Thursday the three Americans. The suspicions are assault of the normal degree.

    "I believe that what has happened is a crime, despite the objections of emergency protection and provocation," the prosecutor said in a press release.

    - In order to reach that decision, I have, among other things, reviewed the films that were in the investigation. Worth noting is that I have had a larger material to judge than previously available on the internet. In addition to filmed material, there is also support for the plaintiff's information through testimony.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited July 2019
    Canada
    PJPOWER said:

    You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.


    We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

    Also look at your health care prices you ignorant little person:



    And look at you living  a bunch of years shorter:



    But being egoistic and selfish and not caring about other people I guess is the US most important trait. You are living the stereotype. 

    And yes, again - In sweden you can hunt, and own rifles - we have 70% forrest. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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