Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

mrussel1

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Swedish ambassador to the US:
"It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

Swedish ambassador to the US again:
She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
 - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 

Maybe they just think the system is stupid.  I think that's probably closer to accurate.  However it's not like I've never run into a Swede yapping their trap about America without understanding the system. 

So you think the swedish ambassador have to have a new meeting with them about us not having a bail system, because they "think its stupid"? 

Doesn't make they sound any better

- We don't have a bail system
- We think that is stupid
- Well, okey?
- We are america!
- Okey?

The cliche of american ignorance. 

So Americans thinking or disagreeing with a Swedish system is ignorance but a Swede taking a swipe and insulting every piece of an American system is not? Please explain that hypocritical stance.  

eddiec

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

benjs

eddiec said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

I agree with your stance here. America also has a huge amount of cultural diversity within the country from coast to coast. I'd also expect that a good chunk of Canada's 'out of country' travel is directly to the States. 

benjs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

Also look at your health care prices you ignorant little person:



And look at you living  a bunch of years shorter:



But being egoistic and selfish and not caring about other people I guess is the US most important trait. You are living the stereotype. 

And yes, again - In sweden you can hunt, and own rifles - we have 70% forrest. 

I wanted to share three points I made when you last posted a graph about spending on medications per country, because I feel it fairly applies to your Total health expenditures per capita, and also to add another point.

1) When I see graphs showing multiple countries' life expectancies, biased headlines on top of them are not a good indicator for a fairly drawn figure. Can you please share your sources so that I know these aren't from swedenrox.com?
2) Pricing of medications and costs and prices of care itself obviously are going to look very different in a country with a private insurance model versus a further socialized model (where governments go to great lengths to put policies to keep costs down). I'd want to know the direct patient spending per country (i.e. keep in the prices people pay for health insurance, but remove the portion of expenses being covered by the insurers) 
3) The more esoteric the drug, the higher its cost can be (typical supply and demand economics). Logic would suggest that the larger your population, the greater your odds of encountering esoteric ailments and needing those esoteric drugs, which means the data should be normalized across countries for fair comparisons, or should be restricted to specific standard pharmaceuticals and procedures
4) Logistically, distributing meds across a large country like the US carries a larger cost than distributing over a smaller area like Sweden. Not sure what's going on with Switzerland from looking at the data
5) The extremely powerful American pharmaceutical lobby is a force to be reckoned with, and is likely an inhibitor of change
6) As mrussel added, the US are leaders in pharmaceutical research and that costs money which often comes from the profits going to American medication producers from predominantly American sales from products 

I'll say it again - beware of infographics - especially ones with biased captions and which also claim to distil complicated realities to single values and don't even have a source provided. These should not be trusted.

mrussel1

U.S.A.

benjs said:

eddiec said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

I agree with your stance here. America also has a huge amount of cultural diversity within the country from coast to coast. I'd also expect that a good chunk of Canada's 'out of country' travel is directly to the States. 

Agreed, and likewise a good amount of US 'international' travel is to Canada, Mexico, DR, and other countries within the hemisphere.  For me to take my wife and 3 kids over to Europe is daunting.  We haven't been in years because of the hassle, the cost, etc.  Someone going from Stockholm to Oslo is about the same amount of time for me to get to NYC or Charlotte, NC.  That's a 'regional' trip for us. 

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

Meltdown99 said:

PJPOWER said:

WhyNotSweden said:

I'm at my third holiday week of 5 payed (little more $$$ than when working). We get that every ear, If i manage to leave my sofa and slip, break a leg, I go to my doctor and get that taken care of, for free. So I think I'm staying in Sweden :-)

Oh, yes, we keep that damn rapper in custody, he wont get a chance to skip his sentence. He can't pay his way out of here as in the US :-)

The only way you get “free” healthcare is if you do not pay taxes and still get it (even though you are mooching off others at that point), and from what I understand, Sweden taxes are pretty high.  Also, I was thinking, I have the option where I work to work less days throughout the year.  I choose not to because working more days increases my yearly income.  I guarantee companies factor in how many days you work into your overall yearly income.  Are you sure you are not getting scammed with a lower overall yearly income due to those “payed vacation days”?  
If the data in the article below is accurate, and he makes a good case, if Sweden was a US state, it would be comparable with Kentucky in regards to disposable income:
https://mises.org/wire/when-it-comes-household-income-sweden-and-germany-rank-kentucky

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

Whats is it like to know everything?  Because when it comes to taxes that Canadians pay, you have no fuckin clue, and you have no clue about Canada.  I could care a less how much you pay for health insurance.  Do not like how much you pay, then work toward a better system.  Jesus, you need to buy better Cannabis...you act like you know everything, when in fact you have NO fuckin clue how Canada works...

Remind me where I mentioned Canada?  Maybe you need better cannabis?

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

Also look at your health care prices you ignorant little person:



And look at you living  a bunch of years shorter:



But being egoistic and selfish and not caring about other people I guess is the US most important trait. You are living the stereotype. 

And yes, again - In sweden you can hunt, and own rifles - we have 70% forrest. 

And you are just being flat out ignorant and obviously didn’t read where Sweden is better compared to Kentucky (population wise and finance wise).  Thanks for playing though...
And yes, I totally plan on hunting moose in Sweden some day.  I’ll give the taxidermist your number so you will have something to hang on your wall.
Way to site your sources, btw...I thought Sweden’s education system was better than that...
Stereotypical Swedey, rude and bitter.

mickeyrat

benjs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

Also look at your health care prices you ignorant little person:



And look at you living  a bunch of years shorter:



But being egoistic and selfish and not caring about other people I guess is the US most important trait. You are living the stereotype. 

And yes, again - In sweden you can hunt, and own rifles - we have 70% forrest. 

I wanted to share three points I made when you last posted a graph about spending on medications per country, because I feel it fairly applies to your Total health expenditures per capita, and also to add another point.

1) When I see graphs showing multiple countries' life expectancies, biased headlines on top of them are not a good indicator for a fairly drawn figure. Can you please share your sources so that I know these aren't from swedenrox.com?
2) Pricing of medications and costs and prices of care itself obviously are going to look very different in a country with a private insurance model versus a further socialized model (where governments go to great lengths to put policies to keep costs down). I'd want to know the direct patient spending per country (i.e. keep in the prices people pay for health insurance, but remove the portion of expenses being covered by the insurers) 
3) The more esoteric the drug, the higher its cost can be (typical supply and demand economics). Logic would suggest that the larger your population, the greater your odds of encountering esoteric ailments and needing those esoteric drugs, which means the data should be normalized across countries for fair comparisons, or should be restricted to specific standard pharmaceuticals and procedures
4) Logistically, distributing meds across a large country like the US carries a larger cost than distributing over a smaller area like Sweden. Not sure what's going on with Switzerland from looking at the data
5) The extremely powerful American pharmaceutical lobby is a force to be reckoned with, and is likely an inhibitor of change
6) As mrussel added, the US are leaders in pharmaceutical research and that costs money which often comes from the profits going to American medication producers from predominantly American sales from products 

I'll say it again - beware of infographics - especially ones with biased captions and which also claim to distil complicated realities to single values and don't even have a source provided. These should not be trusted.

and a fair portion of the top 10 are based overseas........

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

benjs said:

eddiec said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

I agree with your stance here. America also has a huge amount of cultural diversity within the country from coast to coast. I'd also expect that a good chunk of Canada's 'out of country' travel is directly to the States. 

Exactly, I would much rather travel within country these days than abroad (mainly due to disliking airports).  We have so much to see here; The Grand Canyon, Yellowstone.  If I feel like flying, I can always go to Alaska or Hawaii without a passport.  Why would I want to visit the rude Swedes?  
Maybe to go moose hunting..,but I can do that in the US too.

cincybearcat

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Swedish ambassador to the US:
"It was clear from the very beginning, that there were a bunch of misunderstandings about how our judicial system works."

Swedish ambassador to the US again:
She (the swedish ambassador to the US) has flown back to Washington where, among other things, she will meet congressmen who demand the release of the American rapper.
 - We understand that there are still misunderstandings. The focus will probably be on the issue of bail, says Olofsdotter to Kulturnytt.

HAHA. So American congressmen are #freeASAP:ing for the media attention and the attention of the black vote(?) but didn't care to know basic fundamental things about the swedish judicial system when they first started tweeting and NOW STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORK. But still feel the need to yap for attention.

Fucking cable-news-politicans in the US. Funny. 

Embarrassing. The cliche of american ignorance. 

Maybe they just think the system is stupid.  I think that's probably closer to accurate.  However it's not like I've never run into a Swede yapping their trap about America without understanding the system. 

So you think the swedish ambassador have to have a new meeting with them about us not having a bail system, because they "think its stupid"? 

Doesn't make they sound any better

- We don't have a bail system
- We think that is stupid
- Well, okey?
- We are america!
- Okey?

The cliche of american ignorance. 

This is really rather ironic since you've built your brand around here based on all the US stuff you think is stupid.  Cliche Swedish ignorance? Arrogance?  All of the above?

And you have still completely missed the point of all of this.

Meltdown99

Canada

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJPOWER said:

WhyNotSweden said:

I'm at my third holiday week of 5 payed (little more $$$ than when working). We get that every ear, If i manage to leave my sofa and slip, break a leg, I go to my doctor and get that taken care of, for free. So I think I'm staying in Sweden :-)

Oh, yes, we keep that damn rapper in custody, he wont get a chance to skip his sentence. He can't pay his way out of here as in the US :-)

The only way you get “free” healthcare is if you do not pay taxes and still get it (even though you are mooching off others at that point), and from what I understand, Sweden taxes are pretty high.  Also, I was thinking, I have the option where I work to work less days throughout the year.  I choose not to because working more days increases my yearly income.  I guarantee companies factor in how many days you work into your overall yearly income.  Are you sure you are not getting scammed with a lower overall yearly income due to those “payed vacation days”?  
If the data in the article below is accurate, and he makes a good case, if Sweden was a US state, it would be comparable with Kentucky in regards to disposable income:
https://mises.org/wire/when-it-comes-household-income-sweden-and-germany-rank-kentucky

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

Whats is it like to know everything?  Because when it comes to taxes that Canadians pay, you have no fuckin clue, and you have no clue about Canada.  I could care a less how much you pay for health insurance.  Do not like how much you pay, then work toward a better system.  Jesus, you need to buy better Cannabis...you act like you know everything, when in fact you have NO fuckin clue how Canada works...

Remind me where I mentioned Canada?  Maybe you need better cannabis?

I never said you said Canada.  Don't be be be ignorant.  If you had actually paid attention you'd realize any citizen of any country who has universal health care does not consider it a burden...but you are just like flapping your gums about how great and responsible you are...

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

Meltdown99 said:

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJPOWER said:

WhyNotSweden said:

I'm at my third holiday week of 5 payed (little more $$$ than when working). We get that every ear, If i manage to leave my sofa and slip, break a leg, I go to my doctor and get that taken care of, for free. So I think I'm staying in Sweden :-)

Oh, yes, we keep that damn rapper in custody, he wont get a chance to skip his sentence. He can't pay his way out of here as in the US :-)

The only way you get “free” healthcare is if you do not pay taxes and still get it (even though you are mooching off others at that point), and from what I understand, Sweden taxes are pretty high.  Also, I was thinking, I have the option where I work to work less days throughout the year.  I choose not to because working more days increases my yearly income.  I guarantee companies factor in how many days you work into your overall yearly income.  Are you sure you are not getting scammed with a lower overall yearly income due to those “payed vacation days”?  
If the data in the article below is accurate, and he makes a good case, if Sweden was a US state, it would be comparable with Kentucky in regards to disposable income:
https://mises.org/wire/when-it-comes-household-income-sweden-and-germany-rank-kentucky

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

Whats is it like to know everything?  Because when it comes to taxes that Canadians pay, you have no fuckin clue, and you have no clue about Canada.  I could care a less how much you pay for health insurance.  Do not like how much you pay, then work toward a better system.  Jesus, you need to buy better Cannabis...you act like you know everything, when in fact you have NO fuckin clue how Canada works...

Remind me where I mentioned Canada?  Maybe you need better cannabis?

I never said you said Canada.  Don't be be be ignorant.  If you had actually paid attention you'd realize any citizen of any country who has universal health care does not consider it a burden...but you are just like flapping your gums about how great and responsible you are...

Whatever dude, didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers...I wasn’t attacking universal healthcare, anyway, just the notion that it is “free”.  Stop “being being being” ignorant, lol.

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

Also look at your health care prices you ignorant little person:



And look at you living  a bunch of years shorter:



But being egoistic and selfish and not caring about other people I guess is the US most important trait. You are living the stereotype. 

And yes, again - In sweden you can hunt, and own rifles - we have 70% forrest. 

And you are just being flat out ignorant and obviously didn’t read where Sweden is better compared to Kentucky (population wise and finance wise).  Thanks for playing though...
And yes, I totally plan on hunting moose in Sweden some day.  I’ll give the taxidermist your number so you will have something to hang on your wall.
Way to site your sources, btw...I thought Sweden’s education system was better than that...
Stereotypical Swedey, rude and bitter.

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

eddiec said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

I agree with your stance here. America also has a huge amount of cultural diversity within the country from coast to coast. I'd also expect that a good chunk of Canada's 'out of country' travel is directly to the States. 

Exactly, I would much rather travel within country these days than abroad (mainly due to disliking airports).  We have so much to see here; The Grand Canyon, Yellowstone.  If I feel like flying, I can always go to Alaska or Hawaii without a passport.  Why would I want to visit the rude Swedes?  
Maybe to go moose hunting..,but I can do that in the US too.

You were the one bringing up "travelling the world". And you fell flat on your face. And now you're backpedaling which is a lot of fun to witness.

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

eddiec said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

I agree with your stance here. America also has a huge amount of cultural diversity within the country from coast to coast. I'd also expect that a good chunk of Canada's 'out of country' travel is directly to the States. 

Exactly, I would much rather travel within country these days than abroad (mainly due to disliking airports).  We have so much to see here; The Grand Canyon, Yellowstone.  If I feel like flying, I can always go to Alaska or Hawaii without a passport.  Why would I want to visit the rude Swedes?  
Maybe to go moose hunting..,but I can do that in the US too.

You were the one bringing up "travelling the world". And you fell flat on your face. And now you're backpedaling which is a lot of fun to witness.

Whatever you say, Kentucky Chaos.

cincybearcat

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

eddiec said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

I agree with your stance here. America also has a huge amount of cultural diversity within the country from coast to coast. I'd also expect that a good chunk of Canada's 'out of country' travel is directly to the States. 

Exactly, I would much rather travel within country these days than abroad (mainly due to disliking airports).  We have so much to see here; The Grand Canyon, Yellowstone.  If I feel like flying, I can always go to Alaska or Hawaii without a passport.  Why would I want to visit the rude Swedes?  
Maybe to go moose hunting..,but I can do that in the US too.

You were the one bringing up "travelling the world". And you fell flat on your face. And now you're backpedaling which is a lot of fun to witness.

You do realize that if you live in the US you have a wide range of options for travel and never leave the country right?  I mean, I know in sweden you get to choose between which town full of white people you want to walk to, but here it can take an airplane to go from one place to the next and the topography, climate, culture, and people are all different. It's amazing. 

It is also much cheaper for someone in europe to travel to other countries...and due to size they can obviously hit many.  I wish travel was cheaper.  I've been to europe each of the last 2 years...but due to cost, going to have to take a break I think.  

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

eddiec said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

I agree with your stance here. America also has a huge amount of cultural diversity within the country from coast to coast. I'd also expect that a good chunk of Canada's 'out of country' travel is directly to the States. 

Exactly, I would much rather travel within country these days than abroad (mainly due to disliking airports).  We have so much to see here; The Grand Canyon, Yellowstone.  If I feel like flying, I can always go to Alaska or Hawaii without a passport.  Why would I want to visit the rude Swedes?  
Maybe to go moose hunting..,but I can do that in the US too.

You were the one bringing up "travelling the world". And you fell flat on your face. And now you're backpedaling which is a lot of fun to witness.

You do realize that if you live in the US you have a wide range of options for travel and never leave the country right? 

You do realize uninformed @PJPOWER was the one who used "travelling the world" right?

@PJPOWER "You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation."

So here you have again, to show how ignorant he is:



And lets add this again also, because it fits the thread:

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

In Sweden:

https://twitter.com/OlofsdotterK/status/1154542238409601026

In the USA:

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

benjs said:

eddiec said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.

We seem to travel the world more than you do - while not having an uniquely shitty health care system, but instead having one that all of the modern world has a variant off.

I'm actually surprised the US ranks that high in trips per year. However, there are several factors why Americans don't travel abroad as often as other countries. The insular mindset of many Americans aside, if you live in Europe and fly 2 1/2 hours in any direction, you can visit a plethora of countries. For many Americans, you can fly the same distance and not leave the country, and to cross the oceans you're looking at 7+ hours minimum. When you factor in the holiday time Americans receive, a week holiday flying to Europe is really 4-5 days of vacation time. I'd like to see a distance travelled added to that graph.

I travel to a lot of PJ shows in Europe with an Irish friend of mine. He is always shocked by the amount of Americans that fly over for the shows. There is definitely a distinct gap between Americans who travel abroad and those who don't. I don't know if it's more or less than other countries but I would suspect there is a greater divide in America than other countries, especially European ones.

I agree with your stance here. America also has a huge amount of cultural diversity within the country from coast to coast. I'd also expect that a good chunk of Canada's 'out of country' travel is directly to the States. 

Exactly, I would much rather travel within country these days than abroad (mainly due to disliking airports).  We have so much to see here; The Grand Canyon, Yellowstone.  If I feel like flying, I can always go to Alaska or Hawaii without a passport.  Why would I want to visit the rude Swedes?  
Maybe to go moose hunting..,but I can do that in the US too.

You were the one bringing up "travelling the world". And you fell flat on your face. And now you're backpedaling which is a lot of fun to witness.

You do realize that if you live in the US you have a wide range of options for travel and never leave the country right? 

You do realize uninformed @PJPOWER was the one who used "travelling the world" right?

@PJPOWER "You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation."

So here you have again, to show how ignorant he is:



And lets add this again also, because it fits the thread:

Still waiting on your site references...And it is still interesting that your graph shows that Americans take more trips than Swedes overall since you guys have way more vacation days. (international travel aside).  It kinda proves the main point that I was getting at.  Shouldn’t you guys be taking way more trips with all of those extra days?
But I doubt the people of Kentucky (a good state to compare with Sweden)can afford all of those fun trips either.
Remind me where I specifically said traveling the world meant international traveling?  US citizens can see a lot of the world while still traveling domestically (remember Hawaii and Alaska).  Hell, where I live, it is closer to fly to Jamaica than NYC or Seattle, so I see more “world”, staying in the US in many instances.
I forget how “small” you guys are (geographically of course):

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

PJPOWER said:

Remind me where I specifically said traveling the world meant international traveling?