Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2019
    U.S.A.
    WhyNotSweden said:
    I'm at my third holiday week of 5 payed (little more $$$ than when working). We get that every ear, If i manage to leave my sofa and slip, break a leg, I go to my doctor and get that taken care of, for free. So I think I'm staying in Sweden :-)

    Oh, yes, we keep that damn rapper in custody, he wont get a chance to skip his sentence. He can't pay his way out of here as in the US :-)
    The only way you get “free” healthcare is if you do not pay taxes and still get it (even though you are mooching off others at that point), and from what I understand, Sweden taxes are pretty high.  Also, I was thinking, I have the option where I work to work less days throughout the year.  I choose not to because working more days increases my yearly income.  I guarantee companies factor in how many days you work into your overall yearly income.  Are you sure you are not getting scammed with a lower overall yearly income due to those “payed vacation days”?  
    If the data in the article below is accurate, and he makes a good case, if Sweden was a US state, it would be comparable with Kentucky in regards to disposable income:
    https://mises.org/wire/when-it-comes-household-income-sweden-and-germany-rank-kentucky

    You may get a lot of vacation days, but can you afford to travel the world while you’re off or just to stay at home on your couch?  I don’t mind working a lot of days if it means I can enjoy the fruits of my labor when I’m on vacation.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Sweden
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    U.S.A.
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Sweden
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
    Carefully selected data though!
    I don't actually doubt the data, but I don't trust the Mises Institute to EVER give a complete data set, because that would undermine the entire undertaking.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2019
    U.S.A.
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
    Carefully selected data though!
    I don't actually doubt the data, but I don't trust the Mises Institute to EVER give a complete data set, because that would undermine the entire undertaking.
    I’m not going to debate the merits of the Mises, but feel free to comment on their proposed data/conclusion if you wish.  Thanks...
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    U.S.A.
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
    Carefully selected data though!
    I don't actually doubt the data, but I don't trust the Mises Institute to EVER give a complete data set, because that would undermine the entire undertaking.
    In which state do you live?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Sweden
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
    Carefully selected data though!
    I don't actually doubt the data, but I don't trust the Mises Institute to EVER give a complete data set, because that would undermine the entire undertaking.
    In which state do you live?
    Ohio, unfortunately.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    Sweden
    rgambs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
    Carefully selected data though!
    I don't actually doubt the data, but I don't trust the Mises Institute to EVER give a complete data set, because that would undermine the entire undertaking.
    In which state do you live?
    Ohio, unfortunately.
    move to sweden, they have the poupon
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    U.S.A.
    rgambs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
    Carefully selected data though!
    I don't actually doubt the data, but I don't trust the Mises Institute to EVER give a complete data set, because that would undermine the entire undertaking.
    In which state do you live?
    Ohio, unfortunately.
    Why “unfortunately”?  You still live in a state with much higher average income than Sweden ;)
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    U.S.A.
    rgambs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
    Carefully selected data though!
    I don't actually doubt the data, but I don't trust the Mises Institute to EVER give a complete data set, because that would undermine the entire undertaking.
    In which state do you live?
    Ohio, unfortunately.
    If your family makes over roughly 68k, you'd have a marginal income tax rate of about 60%. This excludes any local,  VAT, or capital gains tax.  I grew up in Cuyahoga, probably the most expensive county in Ohio,  and I know we didn't pay near that even with state and local added. 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Sweden
    rustneversleeps said:
    rgambs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    rgambs said:
    I wouldn't trust anything from Mises...
    That’s fine, but all the data is referenced to reputable sources.
    Carefully selected data though!
    I don't actually doubt the data, but I don't trust the Mises Institute to EVER give a complete data set, because that would undermine the entire undertaking.
    In which state do you live?
    Ohio, unfortunately.
    move to sweden, they have the poupon
    Awwww, how sweet!! My own personal Troll Doll's hair still stands up for me.  How heartwarming!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Canada
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    U.S.A.
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,531
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Canada
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    U.S.A.
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    How you get to universal (the economic philosophy) is where things go sideways politically.   Obamacare achieved almost universal care,  before it started getting stripped away.  
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Sweden
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    Thank you for continuing with nuance here, rgambs. Like you (assuming you weren't being sarcastic), I think there are legitimate asks from people who are against universal healthcare who are regularly written off as morons, brainwashed, or selfish but just want to understand and be assured of what their sacrifices/gains will be in this migration. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited July 2019
    Canada
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Where is this free healthcare at?  Healthcare is not free.  And who thinks healthcare does not raise your taxes, well then I got some Alaska swamp land to sell...
    Who said free healthcare?
    isnt that they way its described by certain candidates for potential policy upon election? the way members of the gop deride single payer or universal hc? the way certain media outlets describe it either for or against?
    Only morons think that is a literal term. Everyone else fully understands what is actually meant by "free" healthcare.
    So it's a good thing there aren't any morons out there with the right to vote. 
    Ha, doesn't matter to me - I obviously don't think anyone should be voting against universal healthcare anyway ... Frankly, I also think only morons or brainwashed people are against universal healthcare.
    Are you counting the highly privileged in with the brainwashed?
    People who think they work hard and earn everything...oh man, these people...
    Oh, okay, 3rd category: selfish jerks. Although they could arguable fall under the moron category too, since they fail to understand that a healthy society overall, where some aren't suffering due to an inequitable healthcare system (human rights violation) is good for them. I don't, however, include those who simply want to know the details of a smooth transition. That would suggest to me that they support universal healthcare, but just want a transition to it to be as painless as possible.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Anywhere other than planet earth
    cincybearcat said:
    Joking aside, there are many amazing places to live and I would enjoy living in Sweden most likely. That alcohol law though is legit a downer for me. It would be a real reason I would likely prefer many other places. 

    SC - I’m assuming that includes any beer that is over 3.5% too?
    "Joking aside"? Here?  You have to be joking.

    (Sorry- it's just my head in woozy summer heart!)
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