By RSD standards there are a TON of these things pressed. That’s awesome.
Lets not lose sight of the fact that this is for RSD. These red ones are a cool favor from the 10c
This isn’t RSD.
People skewing their reality to defend Pearl Jam rather feeding into the "limited edition collectors" bullshit frenzy than making as many fans as possible happy and getting the chance.
And in what way is the whole nature of RSD "limited"? The whole nature of RSD is to support and get people into record stores.
People really need to stop taking how things happen to be as a godgiven rule about how it must be.
You should explore why limited merchandise items constantly upset you so much. These items are as non-essential as non-essential gets. Why allow yourself to get so worked up over how many red records there are to go around?
I always wonder what would happen if they pressed say 5,000 of a release and didn’t use any of the exclusive or limited tags and see how they’d sell. I mean they can’t give away those 7” they pressed on color vinyl a few years ago I doubt they pressed 30,000 of them.
I thought that the RSD release of this title was a first run, meaning that this (at least the black vinyl) would be released at some point to all retailers and have a much larger run. I could be misremembering though.
I always think of RSD First as a loophole. It's bands (or their labels) saying that it might get regular release at some point. To prevent people from complaining if they decide to do another release down the road. Some bands plan a regular release before RSD (like new record is an RSD first, but will relrelease on this date 2 months later). Some bands never get around to rereleasing RSD first. Some bands realize it was a popular pressing and do a 2nd run after the fact I think of it as an out clause.
Technically there's an outclause for this. Doesn't mean their can't be another pressing down the road. Newbury Comics purple pressing or something.... lol
I never thought it about it this way, but this makes a lot of sense. Thanks for another perspective.
I say the following as constructive input vs. as complain-y whinging ...
Knock out two common Ten Club complaints with one Stone and offer this type of thing to Analog tier members only.
Would keep more people in the Analog tier (good for Ten Club) and would be a nice vinyl reward for those who stick with Analog. Press the same number of LPs as there are Analog tier members and if people don’t claim/purchase after a week then release a batch to the reg’ler folk in the Club. Don’t even need to do it every year. A keen rarity on vinyl once in a while would make the Analog tier even more appealing than it was with the Xmas 45.
To those who got one: If you spin it, I hope it’s great. If you sell it, let the market bear what it will. Y’all aren’t being immoral. Annoying perhaps, but not immoral.
I like this idea!!!
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By RSD standards there are a TON of these things pressed. That’s awesome.
Lets not lose sight of the fact that this is for RSD. These red ones are a cool favor from the 10c
This isn’t RSD.
People skewing their reality to defend Pearl Jam rather feeding into the "limited edition collectors" bullshit frenzy than making as many fans as possible happy and getting the chance.
And in what way is the whole nature of RSD "limited"? The whole nature of RSD is to support and get people into record stores.
People really need to stop taking how things happen to be as a godgiven rule about how it must be.
You should explore why limited merchandise items constantly upset you so much. These items are as non-essential as non-essential gets. Why allow yourself to get so worked up over how many red records there are to go around?
Why shouldn't I? In the bubble that is Pearl Jam and this board it is one thing that can be done better. So I will post about it.
Thank you.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I say the following as constructive input vs. as complain-y whinging ...
Knock out two common Ten Club complaints with one Stone and offer this type of thing to Analog tier members only.
Would keep more people in the Analog tier (good for Ten Club) and would be a nice vinyl reward for those who stick with Analog. Press the same number of LPs as there are Analog tier members and if people don’t claim/purchase after a week then release a batch to the reg’ler folk in the Club. Don’t even need to do it every year. A keen rarity on vinyl once in a while would make the Analog tier even more appealing than it was with the Xmas 45.
To those who got one: If you spin it, I hope it’s great. If you sell it, let the market bear what it will. Y’all aren’t being immoral. Annoying perhaps, but not immoral.
I like this idea!!!
Hmm. Not that bad of an idea. Have a regular version (own shop/other retailers) and press a version for analog members. Any stock left, not claimed put it out in the regular rotation, or put it in mystery boxes.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I just cancelled my order, jumped the gun without thinking and realized its $65 CAD with exchange and shipping. Hopefully someone who missed out can grab this if they add it back to the shop.
Im in the 10 club. Im told by them that on the 10th of every month there will be a newsletter. On the 9th of the month I know tomorrow will be the 10th. I anticipate. Bing, newsletter. "Limited edition of blah available" I log in, try to purchase blah. I get blah, sometimes I don't. If I do I say "SWEET!" If I don't I say "DARN!"
Any other story is a story of a victim or of an entitled human.
I thought that the RSD release of this title was a first run, meaning that this (at least the black vinyl) would be released at some point to all retailers and have a much larger run. I could be misremembering though.
I always think of RSD First as a loophole. It's bands (or their labels) saying that it might get regular release at some point. To prevent people from complaining if they decide to do another release down the road. Some bands plan a regular release before RSD (like new record is an RSD first, but will relrelease on this date 2 months later). Some bands never get around to rereleasing RSD first. Some bands realize it was a popular pressing and do a 2nd run after the fact I think of it as an out clause.
Technically there's an outclause for this. Doesn't mean their can't be another pressing down the road. Newbury Comics purple pressing or something.... lol
Have an example of a First Release not getting a wider release later?
I thought that the RSD release of this title was a first run, meaning that this (at least the black vinyl) would be released at some point to all retailers and have a much larger run. I could be misremembering though.
I always think of RSD First as a loophole. It's bands (or their labels) saying that it might get regular release at some point. To prevent people from complaining if they decide to do another release down the road. Some bands plan a regular release before RSD (like new record is an RSD first, but will relrelease on this date 2 months later). Some bands never get around to rereleasing RSD first. Some bands realize it was a popular pressing and do a 2nd run after the fact I think of it as an out clause.
Technically there's an outclause for this. Doesn't mean their can't be another pressing down the road. Newbury Comics purple pressing or something.... lol
Have an example of a First Release not getting a wider release later?
I dont think State of Love and Trust ever got released again
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I thought that the RSD release of this title was a first run, meaning that this (at least the black vinyl) would be released at some point to all retailers and have a much larger run. I could be misremembering though.
I always think of RSD First as a loophole. It's bands (or their labels) saying that it might get regular release at some point. To prevent people from complaining if they decide to do another release down the road. Some bands plan a regular release before RSD (like new record is an RSD first, but will relrelease on this date 2 months later). Some bands never get around to rereleasing RSD first. Some bands realize it was a popular pressing and do a 2nd run after the fact I think of it as an out clause.
Technically there's an outclause for this. Doesn't mean their can't be another pressing down the road. Newbury Comics purple pressing or something.... lol
Have an example of a First Release not getting a wider release later?
I dont think State of Love and Trust ever got released again
Forgive if I’m wrong but there was no indication this would be limited. I remember the newsletter stating that there would be a 10c edition. That’s all it said. Nothing about colored version or limited. I took that to mean they would be selling something that all 10c members would have the ability to purchase.
As said so many times on this forum for a band that claims to love vinyl they sure make it difficult for their fans to actually get vinyl copies of their releases. They didn’t just climb out from under a rock and can claim ignorance about the fact that all this limited crap just causes flippers to charge exorbitant prices for their stuff. Obviously it just doesn’t bother them because they can stop this. It’s very easy.
At the end of the day it’s best to remember that Pearl Jam / Ten Club are/is a business with the end goal to be profitable. Nothing wrong with that.
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I held off on pursuing the RSD version of this specifically because a 10c variant was promised, and I assumed (I realize now that it was an assumption) that they'd give everyone an opportunity and press as many as needed, like with the Vault releases. I was lucky/fast enough to grab one of the reds, but I feel bad for anyone who didn't. I generally think the club does a better job than a lot of people here give it credit for, but this was poorly done.
Forgive if I’m wrong but there was no indication this would be limited. I remember the newsletter stating that there would be a 10c edition. That’s all it said. Nothing about colored version or limited. I took that to mean they would be selling something that all 10c members would have the ability to purchase.
As said so many times on this forum for a band that claims to love vinyl they sure make it difficult for their fans to actually get vinyl copies of their releases. They didn’t just climb out from under a rock and can claim ignorance about the fact that all this limited crap just causes flippers to charge exorbitant prices for their stuff. Obviously it just doesn’t bother them because they can stop this. It’s very easy.
At the end of the day it’s best to remember that Pearl Jam / Ten Club are/is a business with the end goal to be profitable. Nothing wrong with that.
They could’ve been a lot more profitable if they had pressed more of these. Obviously there was a demand.
This was not poorly done! This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.
Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
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Im in the 10 club. Im told by them that on the 10th of every month there will be a newsletter. On the 9th of the month I know tomorrow will be the 10th. I anticipate. Bing, newsletter. "Limited edition of blah available" I log in, try to purchase blah. I get blah, sometimes I don't. If I do I say "SWEET!" If I don't I say "DARN!"
Any other story is a story of a victim or of an entitled human.
End of story.
You should make this post it’s own thread!
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They could’ve been a lot more profitable if they had pressed more of these. Obviously there was a demand.
To what extent? Pre-orders take forever, and still people complain they miss out. Manufacturing based on the number of 10 Club members wouldn't make sense, as not everyone would buy because of shipping, lack of interest, etc. The result would be stacks of merchandise sitting in their warehouse, which doesn't appear to be something they like to do. The 10 Club business is very clever in keeping most items as limited, so that fans have learned not to waver on purchasing. It must be an impulse buy, or they risk having the item sell out. For those that do,10 Club hosts a Lost Dogs section of the message board to allow fans who want an out of stock item to barter/buy from others, which is just one of the reasons people buy some of this merch, as trade bait.
Regarding the earlier post, I liked the idea of letting analog members get first crack at it. That would make sense for Analog, they can send out a promo code for vinyl items.
I thought that the RSD release of this title was a first run, meaning that this (at least the black vinyl) would be released at some point to all retailers and have a much larger run. I could be misremembering though.
I always think of RSD First as a loophole. It's bands (or their labels) saying that it might get regular release at some point. To prevent people from complaining if they decide to do another release down the road. Some bands plan a regular release before RSD (like new record is an RSD first, but will relrelease on this date 2 months later). Some bands never get around to rereleasing RSD first. Some bands realize it was a popular pressing and do a 2nd run after the fact I think of it as an out clause.
Technically there's an outclause for this. Doesn't mean their can't be another pressing down the road. Newbury Comics purple pressing or something.... lol
Have an example of a First Release not getting a wider release later?
The National - Boxer - Live in Brussels was released in the RSD First category. It was released on vinyl for RSD 2018 in a rainbow foil jacket & custom inner sleeve. There were 4500 copies (1500 for the UK and Ireland and 3000 for the US) pressed. It DID get a wider release later... but only on CD & digital files, not vinyl.
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Missed out on this but I bought a black copy on RSD so not too bothered. Allowing Analog members a 24hr window or something to buy this on first would have been nice because at the moment there is barely any perks of this membership. I'll keep an eye out for this on ebay etc but it would just be to add to my collection, the stupid thing is the majority of red pressings wont even get opened. Im thinking the majority of people that bought this already had the black so why would you open this. I know what a red record looks like and its not going to sound any better.
I was unable to get one before it sold out. If anyone bought a spare in order to help out someone who couldn't snag one, I would really appreciate a PM, thank you!
Update - a kind fellow fan already stepped up and offered help, thanks!!
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This was not poorly done! This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.
Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
My problem isn't with how it was dropped now, it was the poor messaging back in the spring. I realize that it wasn't actively misleading - I let my mind fill in the blanks - but I for one passed on the RSD version in reliance on the notion that as a 10 Club member I'd definitely be able to get a club version later. My assumption was that it would be handled like the Vaults - put up a preorder for a month and let any member who wants one sign up, then press 'em and send them around in the fall. I don't know why they wouldn't have done it that way now.
This was not poorly done! This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.
Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
My problem isn't with how it was dropped now, it was the poor messaging back in the spring. I realize that it wasn't actively misleading - I let my mind fill in the blanks - but I for one passed on the RSD version in reliance on the notion that as a 10 Club member I'd definitely be able to get a club version later. My assumption was that it would be handled like the Vaults - put up a preorder for a month and let any member who wants one sign up, then press 'em and send them around in the fall. I don't know why they wouldn't have done it that way now.
This was not poorly done! This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.
Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
As somebody who got one on this occasion I wholeheartedly disagree. Some on us have jobs or other commitments that dont allow us to be online at a precise time, particularly if not advertised in advance.
For a release of this kind, I would have like to have seen all members who wanted one a good opportunity to buy it.
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This was not poorly done! This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.
Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
As somebody who got one on this occasion I wholeheartedly disagree. Some on us have jobs or other commitments that dont allow us to be online at a precise time, particularly if not advertised in advance.
For a release of this kind, I would have like to have seen all members who wanted one a good opportunity to buy it.
A release of this kind? I mean...it’s a partial EP. it’s not like this is a reissue of Benaroya or LO2L, Lost Dogs, or even RVM. Just my opinion.
I always wonder what would happen if they pressed say 5,000 of a release and didn’t use any of the exclusive or limited tags and see how they’d sell. I mean they can’t give away those 7” they pressed on color vinyl a few years ago I doubt they pressed 30,000 of them.
Isn't that exactly what happened with the original run of the PJ20 deluxe that was sold in the shop?
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This was not poorly done! This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.
Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
As somebody who got one on this occasion I wholeheartedly disagree. Some on us have jobs or other commitments that dont allow us to be online at a precise time, particularly if not advertised in advance.
For a release of this kind, I would have like to have seen all members who wanted one a good opportunity to buy it.
A release of this kind? I mean...it’s a partial EP. it’s not like this is a reissue of Benaroya or LO2L, Lost Dogs, or even RVM. Just my opinion.
That's right, a release which we all knew about in advance that people want to buy. We can't all be glued to the internet 24/7.
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Fuck all these stupid comments about "stop whining" or "you should've known it would be on the 10th" or "there are bigger problems".
How about this: I like LISTENING to vinyl. Period. I think its a valid complaint that things like this are so limited. I missed the first run on RSD but wasn't that worried because the 10c said they would release a version. No big deal. Then the 10th rolls in and im at work, dont have a chance to check any emails or social media and when I get home see its on sale...GONE. That sucks imo. Why not take pre orders? I just dont get it. As others have stated it sucks even more for vinyl fans in way different time zones.
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Im in the 10 club.
Im told by them that on the 10th of every month there will be a newsletter.
On the 9th of the month I know tomorrow will be the 10th.
I anticipate.
Bing, newsletter.
"Limited edition of blah available"
I log in, try to purchase blah.
I get blah, sometimes I don't.
If I do I say "SWEET!"
If I don't I say "DARN!"
Any other story is a story of a victim or of an entitled human.
End of story.
Have an example of a First Release not getting a wider release later?
This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.
Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
It wasn't pressed to order but they still pressed a TON of these by variant vinyl standards. And an enormous amount for RSD standards.
This is not a Benny. Buy this on ebay for a small markup in a few months.
Regarding the earlier post, I liked the idea of letting analog members get first crack at it. That would make sense for Analog, they can send out a promo code for vinyl items.
It was released on vinyl for RSD 2018 in a rainbow foil jacket & custom inner sleeve.
There were 4500 copies (1500 for the UK and Ireland and 3000 for the US) pressed.
It DID get a wider release later...
but only on CD & digital files,
not vinyl.
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For a release of this kind, I would have like to have seen all members who wanted one a good opportunity to buy it.
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come on people. Be better.
There is no reason for a rockband to be anything else But as fair as possible. ”B-b-but this is RSD, What can little Pearl Jam do about i-i-it???”
Fucking go back to being mensch people instead of capitalist conditioned sheep.
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How about this: I like LISTENING to vinyl. Period. I think its a valid complaint that things like this are so limited. I missed the first run on RSD but wasn't that worried because the 10c said they would release a version. No big deal. Then the 10th rolls in and im at work, dont have a chance to check any emails or social media and when I get home see its on sale...GONE. That sucks imo. Why not take pre orders? I just dont get it. As others have stated it sucks even more for vinyl fans in way different time zones.