Jeffrey Epstein and Friends

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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,390
    mace1229 said:
    As much as I’d like to know, I think the names should stay sealed unless there’s enough to bring charges against them. Otherwise it just seems like uncollaborated gossip/slander they are releasing.
    Well tell that to the people with a daughter/granddaughters living next door to these pukes.  You are who you hang with.  I’m not trying to  be mean just trying to see if you can look at it from the parent of a child that may have already gone thru something like that.  What is your reasoning behind keeping the info quiet?  I get that it should be innocent until proven guilty but come on, these men knew what he was into and knew he could supply it to them if wanted.  You’re as guilty as if you’d done it yourself by not telling, not stopping it.  The red headed coach from penn state saw sandusky f*cking that boy…..get it, he was a boy….and that mother f*cking coward walked away and got a 2 million settlement as well.  Seriously imagine what he saw….yes he’s just as guilty. I would have bashed that old mans head in if I walked in on that.  The mere thought of what he did it’s just beyond disgusting.  I have no problem with gay, lesbian, trans, etc if you’re an adult.  These humans were children.  Children.  Obviously I vote to publicize it all.  If they were around Epstein they knew…that makes you guilty by association.  The crime is not telling, not protecting a child when you had the power to do so… f*ck them all. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    mace1229 said:
    As much as I’d like to know, I think the names should stay sealed unless there’s enough to bring charges against them. Otherwise it just seems like uncollaborated gossip/slander they are releasing.
    Well tell that to the people with a daughter/granddaughters living next door to these pukes.  You are who you hang with.  I’m not trying to  be mean just trying to see if you can look at it from the parent of a child that may have already gone thru something like that.  What is your reasoning behind keeping the info quiet?  I get that it should be innocent until proven guilty but come on, these men knew what he was into and knew he could supply it to them if wanted.  You’re as guilty as if you’d done it yourself by not telling, not stopping it.  The red headed coach from penn state saw sandusky f*cking that boy…..get it, he was a boy….and that mother f*cking coward walked away and got a 2 million settlement as well.  Seriously imagine what he saw….yes he’s just as guilty. I would have bashed that old mans head in if I walked in on that.  The mere thought of what he did it’s just beyond disgusting.  I have no problem with gay, lesbian, trans, etc if you’re an adult.  These humans were children.  Children.  Obviously I vote to publicize it all.  If they were around Epstein they knew…that makes you guilty by association.  The crime is not telling, not protecting a child when you had the power to do so… f*ck them all. 
    I get that, but I simply cannot get behind unsealing every single name in the file. there is no way that 100% of people he hung out with were into what he was into, or even knew about it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a "normal epstein group" and a "pedo epstein group", and if those mingled, they kept it under the table. 

    once you have that scarlet letter, there is no washing it off. it ruins lives. we need to be careful who it's painted on. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,390
    mace1229 said:
    As much as I’d like to know, I think the names should stay sealed unless there’s enough to bring charges against them. Otherwise it just seems like uncollaborated gossip/slander they are releasing.
    Well tell that to the people with a daughter/granddaughters living next door to these pukes.  You are who you hang with.  I’m not trying to  be mean just trying to see if you can look at it from the parent of a child that may have already gone thru something like that.  What is your reasoning behind keeping the info quiet?  I get that it should be innocent until proven guilty but come on, these men knew what he was into and knew he could supply it to them if wanted.  You’re as guilty as if you’d done it yourself by not telling, not stopping it.  The red headed coach from penn state saw sandusky f*cking that boy…..get it, he was a boy….and that mother f*cking coward walked away and got a 2 million settlement as well.  Seriously imagine what he saw….yes he’s just as guilty. I would have bashed that old mans head in if I walked in on that.  The mere thought of what he did it’s just beyond disgusting.  I have no problem with gay, lesbian, trans, etc if you’re an adult.  These humans were children.  Children.  Obviously I vote to publicize it all.  If they were around Epstein they knew…that makes you guilty by association.  The crime is not telling, not protecting a child when you had the power to do so… f*ck them all. 
    I get that, but I simply cannot get behind unsealing every single name in the file. there is no way that 100% of people he hung out with were into what he was into, or even knew about it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a "normal epstein group" and a "pedo epstein group", and if those mingled, they kept it under the table. 

    once you have that scarlet letter, there is no washing it off. it ruins lives. we need to be careful who it's painted on. 
    Ok as you can tell it’s a touchy subject with me.  Working in school administration you hear all the bad shit, and there’s a lot, I don’t care where you live some really bad stuff happens to kids and it wears on you heavily. But anyway, of course the rational side of me says you’re right. I guess secrets can still be secrets even in these advanced tech days.  If you had a suspicion though would you take your concerns to the authorities?  
    I just think if you spent time with him in his apartment, on his island, then you should be questioned.  There are laws now aren’t there that it’s a crime not to report something?  Obviously you’re right but it makes my skin crawl when I think of these people.  When are we ever going to start treating everyone humanly?  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    mace1229 said:
    As much as I’d like to know, I think the names should stay sealed unless there’s enough to bring charges against them. Otherwise it just seems like uncollaborated gossip/slander they are releasing.
    Well tell that to the people with a daughter/granddaughters living next door to these pukes.  You are who you hang with.  I’m not trying to  be mean just trying to see if you can look at it from the parent of a child that may have already gone thru something like that.  What is your reasoning behind keeping the info quiet?  I get that it should be innocent until proven guilty but come on, these men knew what he was into and knew he could supply it to them if wanted.  You’re as guilty as if you’d done it yourself by not telling, not stopping it.  The red headed coach from penn state saw sandusky f*cking that boy…..get it, he was a boy….and that mother f*cking coward walked away and got a 2 million settlement as well.  Seriously imagine what he saw….yes he’s just as guilty. I would have bashed that old mans head in if I walked in on that.  The mere thought of what he did it’s just beyond disgusting.  I have no problem with gay, lesbian, trans, etc if you’re an adult.  These humans were children.  Children.  Obviously I vote to publicize it all.  If they were around Epstein they knew…that makes you guilty by association.  The crime is not telling, not protecting a child when you had the power to do so… f*ck them all. 
    I get that, but I simply cannot get behind unsealing every single name in the file. there is no way that 100% of people he hung out with were into what he was into, or even knew about it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a "normal epstein group" and a "pedo epstein group", and if those mingled, they kept it under the table. 

    once you have that scarlet letter, there is no washing it off. it ruins lives. we need to be careful who it's painted on. 
    Ok as you can tell it’s a touchy subject with me.  Working in school administration you hear all the bad shit, and there’s a lot, I don’t care where you live some really bad stuff happens to kids and it wears on you heavily. But anyway, of course the rational side of me says you’re right. I guess secrets can still be secrets even in these advanced tech days.  If you had a suspicion though would you take your concerns to the authorities?  
    I just think if you spent time with him in his apartment, on his island, then you should be questioned.  There are laws now aren’t there that it’s a crime not to report something?  Obviously you’re right but it makes my skin crawl when I think of these people.  When are we ever going to start treating everyone humanly?  
    for sure, question them all you want. but keep it sealed unless they find something noteworthy. 

    treating everyone humanely will never happen unfortunately. someone always has something that someone else wants. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    static111 said:
    if she provided that she'd be Epsteined. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,853
    That we will never know is an injustice.
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,639
    static111 said:
    I wonder why 
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,390
    She’s not going to release a list because what they know may end up getting more charges filed against her which would guarantee her dying in prison.

    Plus, it’s not beyond someone on that list getting to her in prison.  A lifer will do anything for a lifetime of cigarettes (jails currency). 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,853
    She’s not going to release a list because what they know may end up getting more charges filed against her which would guarantee her dying in prison.

    Plus, it’s not beyond someone on that list getting to her in prison.  A lifer will do anything for a lifetime of cigarettes (jails currency). 
    Can't smoke in prison anymore now though?
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,390
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    She’s not going to release a list because what they know may end up getting more charges filed against her which would guarantee her dying in prison.

    Plus, it’s not beyond someone on that list getting to her in prison.  A lifer will do anything for a lifetime of cigarettes (jails currency). 
    Can't smoke in prison anymore now though?
    Holy crap that’s right!  My husband retired when they were just implementing restrictions but they could still smoke in the yard. He’s been out so long we weren’t even paying attention. He’s gonna get in touch with some guys to see how this went over.  Thanks for updating me…..I wonder what the currency is now…I’m curious. 

    He’s surprised it went through.  He said cigarettes calmed them down.  
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,853
    She’s not going to release a list because what they know may end up getting more charges filed against her which would guarantee her dying in prison.

    Plus, it’s not beyond someone on that list getting to her in prison.  A lifer will do anything for a lifetime of cigarettes (jails currency). 
    Can't smoke in prison anymore now though?
    Holy crap that’s right!  My husband retired when they were just implementing restrictions but they could still smoke in the yard. He’s been out so long we weren’t even paying attention. He’s gonna get in touch with some guys to see how this went over.  Thanks for updating me…..I wonder what the currency is now…I’m curious. 

    He’s surprised it went through.  He said cigarettes calmed them down.  
    Coffee, candy, ramen.  Those still hold as currency.  I'm sure they still sneak cigs or even Ecigs now.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,422
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    mickeyrat said:
    ah, fuck, fooled by an old link again. my bad. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,422
    mickeyrat said:
    ah, fuck, fooled by an old link again. my bad. 

    still, haven't seen anything on that front.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,422

     
    Lies, complaints and Larry Nassar: Takeaways from the records detailing Jeffrey Epstein's final days
    By Michael R. Sisak, Jake Offenhartz
    Today

    NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly four years after Jeffrey Epstein's death, thousands of pages of records obtained by The Associated Press are shedding new light on the financier’s time behind bars and a frantic response by federal corrections officials to his death.

    The documents, including emails between jail officials and psychological evaluations, offer a fuller picture of Epstein as he awaited trial on sex trafficking charges at the now-shuttered Metropolitan Correctionalnassar Center.

    Epstein killed himself at the federal jail in 2019. In the days and weeks that followed, corrections officials struggled to explain how such a high-profile detainee had managed to take his own life.

    The records show how he was moved from the jail’s general population to specialized housing and how he was briefly on suicide watch before being downgraded to psychiatric observation — his status when he killed himself.

    Here are takeaways from the more than 4,000 pages of documents:

    AN AGITATED INMATE

    Epstein was anxious and despondent during much of his time in jail, prompting concern from jail guards and psychological experts about his mental state. He complained often about jail life, including poor sleep, constipation, the color of his uniform and his treatment by other detainees. The noise from a broken toilet in his cell left him sitting in the corner with his hands over his ears, according to one psychologist.

    But despite his litany of complaints, Epstein insisted that he wouldn't take his own life. Even after he was discovered on his cell's floor with a strip of bedsheet around his neck and placed on suicide watch for 31 hours, he denied that he was contemplating suicide, which he said was against his Jewish religion. Plus, he added, he was a “coward” who didn’t like pain.

    “He described having a ‘wonderful life,’’” a psychological evaluation stated. “He said ‘it would be crazy’ to take his life. He furthered, ‘I would not do that to myself.’”

    A LETTER TO ANOTHER SEX OFFENDER

    Among the new revelations was an attempt by Epstein to reach out to another notorious pedophile: Larry Nassar, the USA Gymnastics team doctor convicted of sexually abusing scores of young athletes.

    A letter sent by Epstein to Nassar was found returned to sender in the jail’s mail room weeks after Epstein’s death. “It appeared he mailed it out and it was returned back to him,” the investigator who found the letter told a corrections official by email. “I am not sure if I should open it or should we hand it over to anyone?”

    The letter itself wasn't included among the documents turned over to the AP, which also don't indicate what became of the letter.

    FINAL PHONE CALL

    Epstein was found dead on the morning of Aug. 10, 2019. He had hanged himself with a bedsheet, according to the medical examiner. Hours earlier, he appears to have successfully deceived jail guards one last time by telling them he wanted to talk on the phone to his mother, who had been dead for 15 years.

    A correctional officer escorted Epstein to a shower area at around 7 p.m., where he was permitted to make a 15 minute “social call.” Reports later indicated that he had phoned his 30-year-old girlfriend.

    Weeks after his death, a jail warden questioned why an employee had failed to follow policy by allowing Epstein to make an unmonitored call.

    MUDDLED RESPONSE

    The documents shed light on the lurching response by the Bureau of Prisons in the critical hours of Epstein’s death.

    In one email, a prosecutor involved in Epstein’s criminal case complained to an agency lawyer that it was “frankly unbelievable” that the agency was issuing public news releases “before telling us basic information so that we can relay it to his attorneys who can relay it to his family.”

    In another email, the prosecutor wrote of getting “increasingly frantic calls” from Epstein’s lawyers.

    “We need to know as soon as possible the very basic facts, such as time and cause of death at the absolute minimum,” wrote the prosecutor, whose name was redacted. “It has now been hours since this was reported publicly,” the prosecutor wrote, adding that it was “extraordinary frustrating to have to tell them that we have less information than the press.”

    As news outlets began reporting details of the agency’s failings, a high-ranking federal prison official made the apparently baseless suggestion to the agency’s director that reporters must have been paying jail employees for information.

    THE AFTERMATH

    Epstein’s death touched off a wave of anger toward the Bureau of Prisons and questions about the operation of the Metropolitan Correctional Center. In an internal memo, officials blamed “seriously reduced staffing levels, improper or lack of training, and follow up and oversight” for the death.

    Two guards who were supposed to be watching Epstein on the night of his death were found to have falsified records, admitting to napping and browsing the internet instead of monitoring the high-profile inmate.

    The documents show other efforts to implement reforms, such as requiring jail captains to review footage ensuring that guards are completing their rounds every 30 minutes. Jail officials said they would allow psychological experts to play a larger role in determining how housing decisions are made.

    In some respects, the officials may have overcorrected. A memo sent to the Bureau of Prisons director shortly after Epstein’s death warned that wardens were “defaulting to leaving inmates on suicide watch longer than the psychologists have advised.”

    By 2021, the Metropolitan Correctional Center had closed down. An investigation by the Justice Department’s inspector general is still ongoing.

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    For more AP coverage of Jeffrey Epstein: https://apnews.com/hub/jeffrey-epstein


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,422

     
    Jeffrey Epstein victims settle sex trafficking lawsuit against JPMorgan for $290 million
    By Ken Sweet, Michelle Chapman
    Today

    JPMorgan Chase announced a tentative $290 million settlement Monday with the victims of Jeffrey Epstein who had accused the bank of being the financial conduit that allowed the financier to continue operating a sex trafficking operation.

    Epstein was arrested in 2019 on federal charges accusing him of paying underage girls for massages and then molesting them at his homes in Florida and New York. He was found dead in jail in August of that year, at age 66. A medical examiner ruled his death a suicide.

    The lawsuit filed in Manhattan federal court in November sought to hold JPMorgan financially liable for Epstein’s decades-long abuse of teenage girls and young women. A related lawsuit has been filed in the U.S. Virgin Islands.

    The proposed settlement comes roughly two weeks after JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon testified in a deposition for the case, where he denied knowing about Epstein and his crimes until the financier was arrested in 2019, according to a transcript of the videotaped deposition released last month.

    Nearly four years after Jeffrey Epstein's death, thousands of pages of records obtained by The Associated Press are shedding new light on the financier’s time behind bars. (June 2) (AP Video: David R. Martin)

    “We all now understand that Epstein’s behavior was monstrous, and we believe this settlement is in the best interest of all parties, especially the survivors, who suffered unimaginable abuse at the hands of this man,” JPMorgan Chase said in a written statement early Monday.

    The proposed settlement, which must still be approved by the judge in the case, totals $290 million, according to lead plaintiff attorney David Boies.

    According to the lawsuits, JPMorgan provided Epstein loans and regularly allowed him to withdraw large sums of cash from 1998 through August 2013 even though it was aware of his participation in sex trafficking. The anonymous victim in the suit, referred to as Jane Doe, said she was sexually abused by Epstein from 2006 and 2013.

    Also on Monday, a judge ruled in favor of making Doe's lawsuit into a class-action lawsuit for all victims of Epstein's sex crimes.

    “Money, which for far too long flowed with impunity between Jeffrey Epstein’s global sex trafficking enterprise and Wall Street’s leading banks, is decisively being used for good,” said Sigrid McCawley, an attorney for Jane Doe and other Epstein victims, in a prepared statement. "The settlements signal that financial institutions have an important role to play in spotting and shutting down sex trafficking.”

    The bank continued to count Epstein as a client despite the fact that he was arrested and pled guilty in 2008 to sex crimes in Florida.

    “Any association with him was a mistake and we regret it," the bank said in a prepared statement. "We would never have continued to do business with him if we believed he was using our bank in any way to help commit heinous crimes.”

    Both lawsuits were filed after New York state in November enacted a temporary law letting adult victims of sexual abuse to sue others for the abuse they suffered, even if the abuse occurred long ago.

    Lawsuits are still pending between the U.S. Virgin Islands and JPMorgan Chase, and the bank is still pursuing its lawsuit against JPMorgan former executive Jes Staley.

    The bank has denied the allegations and sued Staley, saying he hid Epstein’s crimes to keep him as a client. Staley left JPMorgan in 2013 to later become CEO of the British bank Barclays. Staley stepped down from that role in 2021 due to his prior relationship with Epstein.

    __________________________________________________

    AP Writer Michael Hill contributed to this report from Albany. AP Writer Larry Neumeister contributed from New York.


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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,130
    when is the list of names being released?
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  • JesseMcKJesseMcK Maine Posts: 40
    when is the list of names being released?
    As soon as Aaron Rodgers gives it the go-ahead.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,422
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,414

    ‘John Doe 36’

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,258
    No mater how this is perceived it’s still a disgusting vile issue that needs to be brought to light! This whole thing of “ If your rich elite can get away with anything has to stop” young girls were manipulated and abused oh and A Rodger’s can go and retire would be my wish for 24 I hope JKimmel takes his ass to court! 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,588
    23scidoo said:

    ‘John Doe 36’

    Want to see how both sides aren’t the same? 
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