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Jeffrey Epstein and Friends

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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 13,706
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,575
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
    i can't imagine every single person who's been on his plane or on his island has done the same sick things he did. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,966
    edited August 2020
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
    Everyone should hope the truth comes out.  But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side."  If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.

    That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.

    I don't wish them well...
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,356
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
    i can't imagine every single person who's been on his plane or on his island has done the same sick things he did. 
    Yes, but it has been public knowledge what kind of sicko Epstein was for a while now...Why would any of them even associate with him.  Does money trump pedophilia in those circles?  (I think I already know the answer to that)
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,575
    PJPOWER said:
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
    i can't imagine every single person who's been on his plane or on his island has done the same sick things he did. 
    Yes, but it has been public knowledge what kind of sicko Epstein was for a while now...Why would any of them even associate with him.  Does money trump pedophilia in those circles?  (I think I already know the answer to that)
    i'm sure it's entirely possible that back when these people actually associated with him that they didn't know anything about that. i mean, it was pretty recent too that michelle obama called harvey weinstein a wonderful person and good friend. i highly doubt that would have been said had she'd known anything. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,575
    OnWis97 said:
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
    Everyone should hope the truth comes out.  But it's funny on Facebook, etc. seeing the guarded optimism that it's "the other side."  If it's Clinton, a guy for whom I voted twice, then fuck him. He had his good and bad points as president (mostly good, IMHO) but being a good president, athlete, writer, beer-brewer, football coach, preacher, etc. does not make a you a good person. I hope any liberal, conservative, moderate, apolitical-type, etc. that committed/facilitated any sexual crimes gets what's coming to them.

    That all said, it's just amazing how huge sexual assault rings and long-lasting sexual-assaulters are able to just go on and on. The ability for large groups of people to turn their collective heads is frightening.

    I don't wish them well...
    people need to stop with this "well well well, look at the democrat/republican". nearly every single instance is anecdotal and has zero to do with the person's political leanings. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,356
    PJPOWER said:
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
    i can't imagine every single person who's been on his plane or on his island has done the same sick things he did. 
    Yes, but it has been public knowledge what kind of sicko Epstein was for a while now...Why would any of them even associate with him.  Does money trump pedophilia in those circles?  (I think I already know the answer to that)
    i'm sure it's entirely possible that back when these people actually associated with him that they didn't know anything about that. i mean, it was pretty recent too that michelle obama called harvey weinstein a wonderful person and good friend. i highly doubt that would have been said had she'd known anything. 
    I guess that’s all entirely possible.  It just seems like he was doing all of this in plain sight, thinking he was above the law, same with Weinstein.  You hear people say that everyone in Hollywood knew that’s how Weinstein was, but still went in for casting calls. I think the better explanation is that people are prone to looking the other way if they are benefiting from the sleezballs.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,575
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
    i can't imagine every single person who's been on his plane or on his island has done the same sick things he did. 
    Yes, but it has been public knowledge what kind of sicko Epstein was for a while now...Why would any of them even associate with him.  Does money trump pedophilia in those circles?  (I think I already know the answer to that)
    i'm sure it's entirely possible that back when these people actually associated with him that they didn't know anything about that. i mean, it was pretty recent too that michelle obama called harvey weinstein a wonderful person and good friend. i highly doubt that would have been said had she'd known anything. 
    I guess that’s all entirely possible.  It just seems like he was doing all of this in plain sight, thinking he was above the law, same with Weinstein.  You hear people say that everyone in Hollywood knew that’s how Weinstein was, but still went in for casting calls. I think the better explanation is that people are prone to looking the other way if they are benefiting from the sleezballs.
    i'm sure that's the case in some situations. but again, if the first lady announces to the world how awesome he is, and yet it's apparently common knowledge that he regularly rapes people, maybe it wasn't as common as everyone claimed. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 23,878
    These assholes get away with it because they're allowed to.

    Look how much our society deifies those with power and wealth.  Get there by whatever means, and STAY THERE.  Stay relevant, flaunt your shit, remain supposedly untouchable.

    Smaller scale - maybe larger too - it can be borne of willful blindness, true unawareness (a stretch, to me) or not wanting the stigma or shame of exposure.  So many reasons.

    What happened to good character?
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,058
    In the case of Weinstein, I think there’s the fantasy perception that Hollywood is a den of sex and debauchery and there are people that are honestly ok with that stuff being part of the hiring process. 
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,058
    edited September 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    I hope the truth comes out.  Would be very disappointed if Bill Gates is involved.  He is doing great things trying to advance society.  Unless a girl names him I will not assume the worst.
    i can't imagine every single person who's been on his plane or on his island has done the same sick things he did. 
    Yes, but it has been public knowledge what kind of sicko Epstein was for a while now...Why would any of them even associate with him.  Does money trump pedophilia in those circles?  (I think I already know the answer to that)

    Dirt. That’s the only conceivable answer. Whether the actual crime,  compliance or even just something fabricated.

    Even now, the powers that be are afraid to dig too deep into it all. Gotta get as many names rubbed out while the gettins good.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,196

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    DECEMBER 28, 2020, 3:25 PM

    Ghislaine Maxwell is denied bail by U.S. judge

    Jonathan Stempel

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Monday denied bail to Ghislaine Maxwell, citing the risk the British socialite might flee from charges she assisted in the late financier Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking of girls.

    FILE PHOTO: Audrey Strauss, Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York speaks alongside William F. Sweeney Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Office, at a news conference announcing charges against Ghislaine Maxwell for her role in the sexual exploitation and abuse of minor girls by Jeffrey Epstein in New York City, New York, U.S., July 2, 2020. REUTERS/Lucas Jackson/File Photo

    U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan in Manhattan said federal prosecutors persuaded her that Maxwell “poses a flight risk” despite her proposed $28.5 million bail package, and should remain jailed because “no conditions of release” reasonably assured she would appear in court.

    Lawyers for Maxwell did not immediately respond to requests for comment. A spokesman for Acting U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss in Manhattan declined to comment.

    Maxwell, 59, has pleaded not guilty to helping Epstein recruit and groom girls as young as 14 years old for sex in the mid-1990s, and not guilty to perjury for denying her involvement under oath.

    She has been jailed at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn following her July 2 arrest at her New Hampshire home, where prosecutors said she was hiding out.

    The proposed bail package included $22.5 million posted by Maxwell and her husband, as well as home confinement with electronic monitoring and 24-hour guard to ensure Maxwell remained safe and would not escape.

    Maxwell said she wanted to stay in New York to clear her name, while her lawyers objected to jail conditions including invasive searches and surveillance by flashlight-toting guards who woke her every 15 minutes to ensure she was still breathing.

    But Nathan, who rejected a $5 million bail package for Maxwell in July, said none of the new arguments had a “material bearing” on whether Maxwell was a flight risk.

    In opposing bail, prosecutors cited Maxwell’s abilities to hide her wealth and evade capture, and the prospect she might flee to France or the United Kingdom, where she holds citizenships and they said she might elude extradition.

    Maxwell faces up to 35 years in prison if convicted. Her trial is scheduled for July 12, 2021.

    Epstein, 66, killed himself in a Manhattan jail in August 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

    Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr criticized errors by jail personnel that he said contributed to Epstein’s death.

    Nathan described her “bottom line” conclusions in a two-page order. A longer opinion explaining her reasoning will be filed after lawyers for Maxwell and the government propose redactions to account for potentially confidential information.

    Reporting by Jonathan Stempel in New York; Editing by Leslie Adler and Richard Chang



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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    Is anyone following Ghislaines trial now?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,196
    no, other than hearing Prince Andrew isnt being brought into it.
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