Are you in favor of giving illegal immigrants free health care?

brianlux

hedonist said:

I kinda wish there were no categories, politics, etc...like a simple "yes or no" or "other", etc.  Lots of shit runs the gamut, you know?
  
"No, and I am a thinking person."  

Anyway, I can't imagine handing out free health care if the rest of us slobs have to (usually) pay through the nose for it straight, or via insurance.

And yes, mrussel, I agree with you.  Necessary and / or urgent care, of course.

I hadn't even considered that aspect.  I think it makes sense.  EVERYBODY should receive urgent care when needed.  Why that wasn't stated in the debates seems strange. 

But I took them saying "free health care" at face value.  Shit, a very big part of our budget has to be set aside for health care.  Very likely so for many or most of us.  Free?  No dice!

Meltdown99

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Meltdown99

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

I will not vote (not American)...but in Ontario, we held provincial election a year ago...the conservatives and NDP were neck in neck at one point...and the NDP wanted to make Ontario a sanctuary province...the conservatives won easily.

I live across from Detroit...no fucking way did I want freeloading Americans showing up at our hospitals looking for freebies...fuck that shit.  That is why we have photo ID health cards...

but visitors ARE seen under your system if neccessary, right?

I do not believe we would ever turn away a medical emergency.  But our hospitals have ATM machines, debit/credit card machines...so they do expect payment if you do not have a valid health card...but I absolutely am convinced that anyone who shows up will be looked at...

Dont you have a deal with other nations about the care?

I think that is How European countries do it atleast 

I should mention that Ontario has deals with Michigan hospitals for procedures that need treatment ASAP and there are no DR's in nearby that can help...for example;  I live across from Detroit and sometimes our hospital directs the ambulance to Detroit to ensure the patient gets treated properly, but the hospital needs to seek provincial approval before they transport you to Detroit...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

hedonist

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

THEY don't even know.  They talk out of their ass, especially at these first go-arounds.

Yeah, I may be just a bit cynical at this point.

brianlux

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

THEY don't even know.  They talk out of their ass, especially at these first go-arounds.

Yeah, I may be just a bit cynical at this point.

Sadly, many of us are a bit cynical about all this these days, Hedo.

Meltdown99

In Canada, once you are in and went through the appropriate channels they receive money and full healthcare (I believe only for a year from the federal government and then they go on the provincial plan).  

mrussel1

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

Are you asking at the border, as part of ICE detention, or if someone goes to the ER in Bethesda MD?  

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

Are you asking at the border, as part of ICE detention, or if someone goes to the ER in Bethesda MD?  

would assume since they ate in the system going through process, they are given work permits. so for some working full time , I would assume insurance benefits are asvailable like everyone else employed where ins is available.

Otherwise, I would guess basic care is a part of DHS budget or other appropriate dept.

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

Are you asking at the border, as part of ICE detention, or if someone goes to the ER in Bethesda MD?  

would assume since they ate in the system going through process, they are given work permits. so for some working full time , I would assume insurance benefits are asvailable like everyone else employed where ins is available.

Otherwise, I would guess basic care is a part of DHS budget or other appropriate dept.

If a person,  any person,  walks into a hospital needing immediate care,  there's a federal law requiring them to provide it.  Those costs are borne by the hospital and either eaten or absorbed by paying patients. 

If it's part of the border issue,  I think the DHS budget would pay that,  so tax dollars.  

This is my marginally educated guess. 

RoleModelsinBlood31

^^ not sure if it’s changed any, but here’s what I found:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/amp/

brianlux

So far, 95% who voted here (85% of who consider themselves moderate to liberal) have voted "no".  If I worked for the DNC I would go around and talk to the candidates who raised their hands "yes" on the topic and ask them to clarify their stance and also ask them how serious they are about winning the election in 2020.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

So far, 95% who voted here (85% of who consider themselves moderate to liberal) have voted "no".  If I worked for the DNC I would go around and talk to the candidates who raised their hands "yes" on the topic and ask them to clarify their stance and also ask them how serious they are about winning the election in 2020.

Giving free healthcare to illegal immigrants will be a losing issue and might get Trumpo 4 more years...

wndowpayne

I am an American born citizen and I dont get free health care..Im looking for the Hell no button..

wndowpayne

You  want free health care for all..legalize weed across the US.

wndowpayne

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

Are you asking at the border, as part of ICE detention, or if someone goes to the ER in Bethesda MD?  

would assume since they ate in the system going through process, they are given work permits. so for some working full time , I would assume insurance benefits are asvailable like everyone else employed where ins is available.

Otherwise, I would guess basic care is a part of DHS budget or other appropriate dept.

If a person,  any person,  walks into a hospital needing immediate care,  there's a federal law requiring them to provide it.  Those costs are borne by the hospital and either eaten or absorbed by paying patients. 

If it's part of the border issue,  I think the DHS budget would pay that,  so tax dollars.  

This is my marginally educated guess. 

  Pretty much true, I think.. I believe you simply check a box on your tax return (assuming you fill one out) that states you did or didnt have health insurance.Im not positive what the penalty is but pretty sure its less than you would pay if you had to pay a monthly plan yourself.

bootlegger10

If American citizens don't receive free health care then I struggle to see how illegal immigrants would get free health care. 

pjhawks

i didn't vote because it's a loaded question.  I think it depends on the situation.  you sure as shit can deny care in an emergency.  should they get free check ups and routine care though? of course not.  it's not a binary yes or no answer.

Ledbetterman10

pjhawks said:

it's a loaded question.  I think it depends on the situation. 

Wait, you're not going to just raise your hand yes or no like the candidates were expected to?

It was insane that this question was asked in this matter. I guess that's what comes from having so many candidates on stage. No time for actual answers. Like you said, there's nuances like emergencies vs. routine care, etc. to consider. But put as a "show of hands" question, they were all on the spot to raise their hands, or risk looking like big ole meanies, never a good look for a democrat. I bet at least one or two of those Dems probably want that one back and so they could not raise their hand, be asked why they didn't raise their hand, and then give an answer, like an actual debate should be. Show of hands? This isn't fucking gym class. "Show of hands. Kickball or dodgeball?" 

https://youtu.be/aMSmoNOZJ9Y

brianlux

pjhawks said:

i didn't vote because it's a loaded question.  I think it depends on the situation.  you sure as shit can deny care in an emergency.  should they get free check ups and routine care though? of course not.  it's not a binary yes or no answer.

I took what they said at face value:  "Health care" .  They didn't say "emergency care" which is a subset of health care.  The statement was simply said "Health care", and up went the hands.  If these people cannot discern a statement properly, I don't want them as my president (although, of course, I would take any of them over the current POTUS).  If they don't show a little more intelligence and critical thinking, they are all going to lose to someone who already has proven he is not very intelligent or critical in his thinking and managed to win anyway.  His boldness and strange charisma have A LOT of the people won over all ready.   We may end up in deep kaka.