Are you in favor of giving illegal immigrants free health care?

brianlux

Here's an anonymous poll to see how we think on this subject.  I don't like labels, and liberal to moderate to conservative is not simply black, grey and white so just go with one of the three because we cant have endless categories.  This poll was inspired by what mrussel1 said in the Dem Candidates thread:  "I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock... I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views."

Let's see if this poll verifies that notion.  (I'm guessing it will, but vote honestly because this is an anonymous poll.)

Again, the question is "Are you in favor of giving illegal immigrants free health care."

Meltdown99

I will not vote (not American)...but in Ontario, we held provincial election a year ago...the conservatives and NDP were neck in neck at one point...and the NDP wanted to make Ontario a sanctuary province...the conservatives won easily.

I live across from Detroit...no fucking way did I want freeloading Americans showing up at our hospitals looking for freebies...fuck that shit.  That is why we have photo ID health cards...

brianlux

I'll check in here this evening and see if we get more than one vote, lol.  Catch you all later. 

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

I'll check in here this evening and see if we get more than one vote, lol.  Catch you all later. 

I am not trying to derail your thread...just giving some personal insight.  

mickeyrat

define the concept please....

mickeyrat

Meltdown99 said:

I will not vote (not American)...but in Ontario, we held provincial election a year ago...the conservatives and NDP were neck in neck at one point...and the NDP wanted to make Ontario a sanctuary province...the conservatives won easily.

I live across from Detroit...no fucking way did I want freeloading Americans showing up at our hospitals looking for freebies...fuck that shit.  That is why we have photo ID health cards...

but visitors ARE seen under your system if neccessary, right?

Spiritual_Chaos

Americas relationship with illegal immigrants is pretty Strange. Looking from Where I am looking. 

Meltdown99

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

I will not vote (not American)...but in Ontario, we held provincial election a year ago...the conservatives and NDP were neck in neck at one point...and the NDP wanted to make Ontario a sanctuary province...the conservatives won easily.

I live across from Detroit...no fucking way did I want freeloading Americans showing up at our hospitals looking for freebies...fuck that shit.  That is why we have photo ID health cards...

but visitors ARE seen under your system if neccessary, right?

I do not believe we would ever turn away a medical emergency.  But our hospitals have ATM machines, debit/credit card machines...so they do expect payment if you do not have a valid health card...but I absolutely am convinced that anyone who shows up will be looked at...

Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

I will not vote (not American)...but in Ontario, we held provincial election a year ago...the conservatives and NDP were neck in neck at one point...and the NDP wanted to make Ontario a sanctuary province...the conservatives won easily.

I live across from Detroit...no fucking way did I want freeloading Americans showing up at our hospitals looking for freebies...fuck that shit.  That is why we have photo ID health cards...

but visitors ARE seen under your system if neccessary, right?

I do not believe we would ever turn away a medical emergency.  But our hospitals have ATM machines, debit/credit card machines...so they do expect payment if you do not have a valid health card...but I absolutely am convinced that anyone who shows up will be looked at...

Dont you have a deal with other nations about the care?

I think that is How European countries do it atleast 

Meltdown99

Canadians need coverage if they travel to the US, just in case...

I never goto the US without out of province health care coverage.  Better to be safe than a huge medical bill.

vaggar99

i favor all things illegal.

Jason P

I don't think any of the candidates truly have it on their agenda to follow this promise up.  It is just pandering ... although usually you pander to a group that can vote for you ... doesn't seem like a very wise strategy, but no candidate wants to get kicked out of the circle in the first debate.  This will come back to haunt the eventual democratic nomination (depending on what heat they first squared off in ... technically half of them can deny this promise)

mcgruff10

This could be one of the dumbest ideas ever.  Trump will crush this election if candidates press this issue. 

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

This could be one of the dumbest ideas ever.  Trump will crush this election if candidates press this issue. 

Sticking hot pokers in your eyes might be dumber, but otherwise, I agree!

brianlux

So far, the results are pretty clear hear.  But lets give it a few days and see. 

So far no conservatives have voted?  Remember, it's an anonymous poll.  No need to hesitate to vote.

mrussel1

I really, really, really hope everyone was thinking about emergency care when they raised their hands, not fixing your bum elbow.  The whole debate was just an unmitigated disaster for all Democrats.  

Meltdown99

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

I will not vote (not American)...but in Ontario, we held provincial election a year ago...the conservatives and NDP were neck in neck at one point...and the NDP wanted to make Ontario a sanctuary province...the conservatives won easily.

I live across from Detroit...no fucking way did I want freeloading Americans showing up at our hospitals looking for freebies...fuck that shit.  That is why we have photo ID health cards...

but visitors ARE seen under your system if neccessary, right?

I do not believe we would ever turn away a medical emergency.  But our hospitals have ATM machines, debit/credit card machines...so they do expect payment if you do not have a valid health card...but I absolutely am convinced that anyone who shows up will be looked at...

Dont you have a deal with other nations about the care?

I think that is How European countries do it atleast 

LOL.  No, we do not.  We are even advised to get extra insurance when we go to another province in Canada...

Meltdown99

mrussel1 said:

I really, really, really hope everyone was thinking about emergency care when they raised their hands, not fixing your bum elbow.  The whole debate was just an unmitigated disaster for all Democrats.  

I kinda think that is what they meant, but someone should have asked for clarity on the question...cats out of the bag now...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

I really, really, really hope everyone was thinking about emergency care when they raised their hands, not fixing your bum elbow.  The whole debate was just an unmitigated disaster for all Democrats.  

I kinda think that is what they meant, but someone should have asked for clarity on the question...cats out of the bag now...

If that was the case, clarification would have helped hugely.  Maybe someone working for DNC will think of that.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

I really, really, really hope everyone was thinking about emergency care when they raised their hands, not fixing your bum elbow.  The whole debate was just an unmitigated disaster for all Democrats.  

I kinda think that is what they meant, but someone should have asked for clarity on the question...cats out of the bag now...

If that was the case, clarification would have helped hugely.  Maybe someone working for DNC will think of that.

I am surprised the candidates have not clarified...

hedonist

I kinda wish there were no categories, politics, etc...like a simple "yes or no" or "other", etc.  Lots of shit runs the gamut, you know?
  
"No, and I am a thinking person."  

Anyway, I can't imagine handing out free health care if the rest of us slobs have to (usually) pay through the nose for it straight, or via insurance.

And yes, mrussel, I agree with you.  Necessary and / or urgent care, of course.

brianlux

hedonist said:

I kinda wish there were no categories, politics, etc...like a simple "yes or no" or "other", etc.  Lots of shit runs the gamut, you know?
  
"No, and I am a thinking person."  

Anyway, I can't imagine handing out free health care if the rest of us slobs have to (usually) pay through the nose for it straight, or via insurance.

And yes, mrussel, I agree with you.  Necessary and / or urgent care, of course.

I hadn't even considered that aspect.  I think it makes sense.  EVERYBODY should receive urgent care when needed.  Why that wasn't stated in the debates seems strange. 

But I took them saying "free health care" at face value.  Shit, a very big part of our budget has to be set aside for health care.  Very likely so for many or most of us.  Free?  No dice!

Meltdown99

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Meltdown99

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

I will not vote (not American)...but in Ontario, we held provincial election a year ago...the conservatives and NDP were neck in neck at one point...and the NDP wanted to make Ontario a sanctuary province...the conservatives won easily.

I live across from Detroit...no fucking way did I want freeloading Americans showing up at our hospitals looking for freebies...fuck that shit.  That is why we have photo ID health cards...

but visitors ARE seen under your system if neccessary, right?

I do not believe we would ever turn away a medical emergency.  But our hospitals have ATM machines, debit/credit card machines...so they do expect payment if you do not have a valid health card...but I absolutely am convinced that anyone who shows up will be looked at...

Dont you have a deal with other nations about the care?

I think that is How European countries do it atleast 

I should mention that Ontario has deals with Michigan hospitals for procedures that need treatment ASAP and there are no DR's in nearby that can help...for example;  I live across from Detroit and sometimes our hospital directs the ambulance to Detroit to ensure the patient gets treated properly, but the hospital needs to seek provincial approval before they transport you to Detroit...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

hedonist

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

THEY don't even know.  They talk out of their ass, especially at these first go-arounds.

Yeah, I may be just a bit cynical at this point.

brianlux

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

THEY don't even know.  They talk out of their ass, especially at these first go-arounds.

Yeah, I may be just a bit cynical at this point.

Sadly, many of us are a bit cynical about all this these days, Hedo.

Meltdown99

In Canada, once you are in and went through the appropriate channels they receive money and full healthcare (I believe only for a year from the federal government and then they go on the provincial plan).  

mrussel1

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

Are you asking at the border, as part of ICE detention, or if someone goes to the ER in Bethesda MD?  

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

Are you asking at the border, as part of ICE detention, or if someone goes to the ER in Bethesda MD?  

would assume since they ate in the system going through process, they are given work permits. so for some working full time , I would assume insurance benefits are asvailable like everyone else employed where ins is available.

Otherwise, I would guess basic care is a part of DHS budget or other appropriate dept.

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What about documented immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees?  Who pays their healthcare cost?

Good question.  Anybody know?

Are you asking at the border, as part of ICE detention, or if someone goes to the ER in Bethesda MD?  

would assume since they ate in the system going through process, they are given work permits. so for some working full time , I would assume insurance benefits are asvailable like everyone else employed where ins is available.

Otherwise, I would guess basic care is a part of DHS budget or other appropriate dept.

If a person,  any person,  walks into a hospital needing immediate care,  there's a federal law requiring them to provide it.  Those costs are borne by the hospital and either eaten or absorbed by paying patients. 

If it's part of the border issue,  I think the DHS budget would pay that,  so tax dollars.  

This is my marginally educated guess.