The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

As much as some of those folks losing their home is a real problem, the greater problem of course is the melting of tundra permafrost releasing carbon dioxide and methane which in turn accelerate global warming.  A vicious cycle that won't likely end in any of our lifetimes. We'll have to adapt or die and hopefully change by starting to do something to reduce our global impact.  Fat chance?  We'll see.

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

As much as some of those folks losing their home is a real problem, the greater problem of course is the melting of tundra permafrost releasing carbon dioxide and methane which in turn accelerate global warming.  A vicious cycle that won't likely end in any of our lifetimes. We'll have to adapt or die and hopefully change by starting to do something to reduce our global impact.  Fat chance?  We'll see.

agree but housing solutions for largely native populations who have been there since they first crossed the straight is important.

we are past the point of stopping or slowing the thaw of permafrost. we cant or wont do more to slow our carbon use in the first place and some of the alternatives have their own devasting impacts in extraction(lithium) much less whats as yet unknown on the end of life of that stuff.

we really need to be modeling what all that carbon and methane release looks like and find ways to adapt for that reality.

otherhand, this will be how mother nature reduces populations to more sustainable levels.

the planet will live on.  life, in various forms will as well. question is , how many humans will that include.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

It's not so much climate change as they were shitty houses to begin with.  I'm surprised the guy in the sod house isn't having more problems.  That is a really neat idea he learned from the ancestors of the area.

Over in the coal communities many of the houses were built pretty poorly too.  No insulation as they used coal to heat their houses which used to be cheap and abundant.

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

As much as some of those folks losing their home is a real problem, the greater problem of course is the melting of tundra permafrost releasing carbon dioxide and methane which in turn accelerate global warming.  A vicious cycle that won't likely end in any of our lifetimes. We'll have to adapt or die and hopefully change by starting to do something to reduce our global impact.  Fat chance?  We'll see.

agree but housing solutions for largely native populations who have been there since they first crossed the straight is important.

we are past the point of stopping or slowing the thaw of permafrost. we cant or wont do more to slow our carbon use in the first place and some of the alternatives have their own devasting impacts in extraction(lithium) much less whats as yet unknown on the end of life of that stuff.

we really need to be modeling what all that carbon and methane release looks like and find ways to adapt for that reality.

otherhand, this will be how mother nature reduces populations to more sustainable levels.

the planet will live on.  life, in various forms will as well. question is , how many humans will that include.

Agreed on all points.  Especially regarding native populations in Alaska.  They've been getting screwed one way or another since day one of outsiders taking over.

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

It's not so much climate change as they were shitty houses to begin with.  I'm surprised the guy in the sod house isn't having more problems.  That is a really neat idea he learned from the ancestors of the area.

Over in the coal communities many of the houses were built pretty poorly too.  No insulation as they used coal to heat their houses which used to be cheap and abundant.

It sounds like a lot of those houses were thrown up during the oil pipeline construction.  Sadly, housing for working stiff in industry have often been the shits.

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

As much as some of those folks losing their home is a real problem, the greater problem of course is the melting of tundra permafrost releasing carbon dioxide and methane which in turn accelerate global warming.  A vicious cycle that won't likely end in any of our lifetimes. We'll have to adapt or die and hopefully change by starting to do something to reduce our global impact.  Fat chance?  We'll see.

agree but housing solutions for largely native populations who have been there since they first crossed the straight is important.

we are past the point of stopping or slowing the thaw of permafrost. we cant or wont do more to slow our carbon use in the first place and some of the alternatives have their own devasting impacts in extraction(lithium) much less whats as yet unknown on the end of life of that stuff.

we really need to be modeling what all that carbon and methane release looks like and find ways to adapt for that reality.

otherhand, this will be how mother nature reduces populations to more sustainable levels.

the planet will live on.  life, in various forms will as well. question is , how many humans will that include.

Agreed on all points.  Especially regarding native populations in Alaska.  They've been getting screwed one way or another since day one of outsiders taking over.

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

It's not so much climate change as they were shitty houses to begin with.  I'm surprised the guy in the sod house isn't having more problems.  That is a really neat idea he learned from the ancestors of the area.

Over in the coal communities many of the houses were built pretty poorly too.  No insulation as they used coal to heat their houses which used to be cheap and abundant.

It sounds like a lot of those houses were thrown up during the oil pipeline construction.  Sadly, housing for working stiff in industry have often been the shits.

Yes that is why I mentioned the coal mining areas.  They threw those up too and people are still living in them.

Meltdown99

Ford goes all-in on electric vehicles with massive multibillion-dollar investment

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2021/09/27/ford-motor-company-all-electric-vehicles/5884985001/

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

As much as some of those folks losing their home is a real problem, the greater problem of course is the melting of tundra permafrost releasing carbon dioxide and methane which in turn accelerate global warming.  A vicious cycle that won't likely end in any of our lifetimes. We'll have to adapt or die and hopefully change by starting to do something to reduce our global impact.  Fat chance?  We'll see.

agree but housing solutions for largely native populations who have been there since they first crossed the straight is important.

we are past the point of stopping or slowing the thaw of permafrost. we cant or wont do more to slow our carbon use in the first place and some of the alternatives have their own devasting impacts in extraction(lithium) much less whats as yet unknown on the end of life of that stuff.

we really need to be modeling what all that carbon and methane release looks like and find ways to adapt for that reality.

otherhand, this will be how mother nature reduces populations to more sustainable levels.

the planet will live on.  life, in various forms will as well. question is , how many humans will that include.

Agreed on all points.  Especially regarding native populations in Alaska.  They've been getting screwed one way or another since day one of outsiders taking over.

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

It's not so much climate change as they were shitty houses to begin with.  I'm surprised the guy in the sod house isn't having more problems.  That is a really neat idea he learned from the ancestors of the area.

Over in the coal communities many of the houses were built pretty poorly too.  No insulation as they used coal to heat their houses which used to be cheap and abundant.

It sounds like a lot of those houses were thrown up during the oil pipeline construction.  Sadly, housing for working stiff in industry have often been the shits.

Yes that is why I mentioned the coal mining areas.  They threw those up too and people are still living in them.

Disgraceful.  Reminds me of Grapes of Wrath. 

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

As much as some of those folks losing their home is a real problem, the greater problem of course is the melting of tundra permafrost releasing carbon dioxide and methane which in turn accelerate global warming.  A vicious cycle that won't likely end in any of our lifetimes. We'll have to adapt or die and hopefully change by starting to do something to reduce our global impact.  Fat chance?  We'll see.

agree but housing solutions for largely native populations who have been there since they first crossed the straight is important.

we are past the point of stopping or slowing the thaw of permafrost. we cant or wont do more to slow our carbon use in the first place and some of the alternatives have their own devasting impacts in extraction(lithium) much less whats as yet unknown on the end of life of that stuff.

we really need to be modeling what all that carbon and methane release looks like and find ways to adapt for that reality.

otherhand, this will be how mother nature reduces populations to more sustainable levels.

the planet will live on.  life, in various forms will as well. question is , how many humans will that include.

Agreed on all points.  Especially regarding native populations in Alaska.  They've been getting screwed one way or another since day one of outsiders taking over.

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

 Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

 

It's not so much climate change as they were shitty houses to begin with.  I'm surprised the guy in the sod house isn't having more problems.  That is a really neat idea he learned from the ancestors of the area.

Over in the coal communities many of the houses were built pretty poorly too.  No insulation as they used coal to heat their houses which used to be cheap and abundant.

It sounds like a lot of those houses were thrown up during the oil pipeline construction.  Sadly, housing for working stiff in industry have often been the shits.

Yes that is why I mentioned the coal mining areas.  They threw those up too and people are still living in them.

Disgraceful.  Reminds me of Grapes of Wrath. 

Funny you mention that as it was during that time period when a bunch of towns were made in the coal boom.

Zod

Meltdown99 said:

Ford goes all-in on electric vehicles with massive multibillion-dollar investment

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2021/09/27/ford-motor-company-all-electric-vehicles/5884985001/

I hope they extend electrics to smaller trucks like the ranger or maverick.  Would love me an electric compact 4x4 truck

Meltdown99

OPEC: Oil will be world's No. 1 energy source for decades

https://www.ctvnews.ca/climate-and-environment/opec-oil-will-be-world-s-no-1-energy-source-for-decades-1.5603256?cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3A%7B%7Bcampaignname%7D%7D%3Atwitterpost%E2%80%8B&taid=615318e7b22f050001569d0d&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

tempo_n_groove

@brianlux
I understand you are getting some much needed rain?

Meltdown99

Zod said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ford goes all-in on electric vehicles with massive multibillion-dollar investment

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2021/09/27/ford-motor-company-all-electric-vehicles/5884985001/

I hope they extend electrics to smaller trucks like the ranger or maverick.  Would love me an electric compact 4x4 truck

I have no doubt they will.

This announcement is huge.  The only way we’ll ever see electric vehicles is if the big companies jump in head first…well Ford just did that.  

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

@brianlux
I understand you are getting some much needed rain?

Four tenths last night!  As little as that sounds, we'll take it!  That may not be enough to but out the big fires out here, but it does much to protect against new fires.   Happy, happy!

brianlux

Greta nails it:

"Build back better. Blah, blah, blah. Green economy. Blah blah blah. Net zero by 2050. Blah, blah, blah,” she said in a speech to the Youth4Climate summit in Milan, Italy, on Tuesday. “This is all we hear from our so-called leaders. Words that sound great but so far have not led to action. Our hopes and ambitions drown in their empty promises.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/28/blah-greta-thunberg-leaders-climate-crisis-co2-emissions

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Greta nails it:

"Build back better. Blah, blah, blah. Green economy. Blah blah blah. Net zero by 2050. Blah, blah, blah,” she said in a speech to the Youth4Climate summit in Milan, Italy, on Tuesday. “This is all we hear from our so-called leaders. Words that sound great but so far have not led to action. Our hopes and ambitions drown in their empty promises.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/28/blah-greta-thunberg-leaders-climate-crisis-co2-emissions

Perhaps you and her are looking for leaders in all the wrong places…politicians are not leaders, all politicians do is leach off others productivity.

Ford made an announcement yesterday investing 11 billion into electric car manufacturing and have promised that 40 percent of their vehicles will be electric by 2030…

HughFreakingDillon

so he's looking in the wrong place for a leader, our elected leaders, and you follow it up with a statement by a giant corporation (that has leeched off the taxpayer to the tune of hundreds of millions) as an example of leadership to look to? lol

static111

brianlux said:

Greta nails it:

"Build back better. Blah, blah, blah. Green economy. Blah blah blah. Net zero by 2050. Blah, blah, blah,” she said in a speech to the Youth4Climate summit in Milan, Italy, on Tuesday. “This is all we hear from our so-called leaders. Words that sound great but so far have not led to action. Our hopes and ambitions drown in their empty promises.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/28/blah-greta-thunberg-leaders-climate-crisis-co2-emissions

Can someone explain the Thunberg hype to me? What is she saying and doing that hasn't been said and done by tens of thousands of advocates and experts of all ages since forever (the 70's)?

HughFreakingDillon

static111 said:

brianlux said:

Greta nails it:

"Build back better. Blah, blah, blah. Green economy. Blah blah blah. Net zero by 2050. Blah, blah, blah,” she said in a speech to the Youth4Climate summit in Milan, Italy, on Tuesday. “This is all we hear from our so-called leaders. Words that sound great but so far have not led to action. Our hopes and ambitions drown in their empty promises.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/28/blah-greta-thunberg-leaders-climate-crisis-co2-emissions

Can someone explain the Thunberg hype to me? What is she saying and doing that hasn't been said and done by tens of thousands of advocates and experts of all ages since forever (the 70's)?

her age. it's admirable to be so passionate and globally aware at that age. 

static111

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

brianlux said:

Greta nails it:

"Build back better. Blah, blah, blah. Green economy. Blah blah blah. Net zero by 2050. Blah, blah, blah,” she said in a speech to the Youth4Climate summit in Milan, Italy, on Tuesday. “This is all we hear from our so-called leaders. Words that sound great but so far have not led to action. Our hopes and ambitions drown in their empty promises.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/28/blah-greta-thunberg-leaders-climate-crisis-co2-emissions

Can someone explain the Thunberg hype to me? What is she saying and doing that hasn't been said and done by tens of thousands of advocates and experts of all ages since forever (the 70's)?

her age. it's admirable to be so passionate and globally aware at that age. 

People her age have been passionate about this stuff since forever though.

HughFreakingDillon

yes, but probably more specifically this (and the age of social media, etc)

Thunberg's activism began by persuading her parents to adopt lifestyle choices that reduced their own carbon footprint. In August 2018, at age 15, she started spending her school days outside the Swedish Parliament to call for stronger action on climate change by holding up a sign reading Skolstrejk för klimatet (School strike for climate)