The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).
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brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:Deblasio the Mayor for NYC has stated that these events(recent torrential downpours of 5+ inches) are the norm now and they will do a better job of warning the people.
If anyone saw what happened in Jersey and NYC and this is the new normal?
Good luck everyone. You'll need flood insurance on higher ground.
Crazy.
This leads to a topic that we will probably all be considering something more or more in the near future, if not already: How to prepare for and react to the affects of climate change.
Pretty much anyone with a half way functional brain now recognizes that climate change is real (interesting and tragic how it took so long for that acceptance to happen), so now the question is, what are people doing in response to this new reality? My wife and I, for example, are having to face the reality that if we do not move, we will be sucking really bad air into our lungs for at least four months out of each year and during those months will also have to live with the anxiety of a the possibility of a devastating wildfire hitting our neighborhood.
But how many of us have the means to move and where are we going to move to anyway? All the "good" spots are going to be taken by the wealthiest among us and many among us cannot move due to one's employment situation. So if a person or family are not able to move, will they be able to protect themselves from catastrophe? Will they be able to attain or even afford fire, flood, or hurricane insurance? And if not, how will they recover if a fire, flood, or hurricane hits their home?And what will the widespread affect be of more and more people losing their home and or belongings and not having the ability to recover?This is why I insist that having a child in today's world makes little or no sense. I know that sounds off-topic, but I know a few people who are pregnant or planning on having a baby and I find mind self automatically concerned that these kids are being brought into a world will find it very, very difficult to navigate through life by the time they are adults.Yah. I live in BC, and the Island I live on is the least likely place to get smoke, because as long as the wind is blow from the west it's fresh air off the pacific. We tend to get smoke when the air gets stagnate or blows from a different direction. but usually that's temporary, so maybe a week or two of smoke is the worst we've seen.The challenge is the interior of our province has had multiple years of smoke filled summers. Cost of living is already getting pretty high here... I wonder what will happen of the population from the interior of our province attempts to migrate to the coast...I also agree on kids. My original reason was something else, but each passing day I'm kind of glad I didn't go that route. Not because kids are bad, but what's the world going to be like in 80 to 100 years. It doesn't seem great. Everything continues to get more crowded, and more polluted. Global warming is having bigger consequences. We don't seem anywhere close to achieving emission targets. We also import so much stuff from China and similar countries, where they do our manufacturing. So even though maybe we cleanup our air a bit, we're pretty culpable for countries like China are doing to the planet.sigh....0 -
Zod said:brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:Deblasio the Mayor for NYC has stated that these events(recent torrential downpours of 5+ inches) are the norm now and they will do a better job of warning the people.
If anyone saw what happened in Jersey and NYC and this is the new normal?
Good luck everyone. You'll need flood insurance on higher ground.
Crazy.
This leads to a topic that we will probably all be considering something more or more in the near future, if not already: How to prepare for and react to the affects of climate change.
Pretty much anyone with a half way functional brain now recognizes that climate change is real (interesting and tragic how it took so long for that acceptance to happen), so now the question is, what are people doing in response to this new reality? My wife and I, for example, are having to face the reality that if we do not move, we will be sucking really bad air into our lungs for at least four months out of each year and during those months will also have to live with the anxiety of a the possibility of a devastating wildfire hitting our neighborhood.
But how many of us have the means to move and where are we going to move to anyway? All the "good" spots are going to be taken by the wealthiest among us and many among us cannot move due to one's employment situation. So if a person or family are not able to move, will they be able to protect themselves from catastrophe? Will they be able to attain or even afford fire, flood, or hurricane insurance? And if not, how will they recover if a fire, flood, or hurricane hits their home?And what will the widespread affect be of more and more people losing their home and or belongings and not having the ability to recover?This is why I insist that having a child in today's world makes little or no sense. I know that sounds off-topic, but I know a few people who are pregnant or planning on having a baby and I find mind self automatically concerned that these kids are being brought into a world will find it very, very difficult to navigate through life by the time they are adults.Yah. I live in BC, and the Island I live on is the least likely place to get smoke, because as long as the wind is blow from the west it's fresh air off the pacific. We tend to get smoke when the air gets stagnate or blows from a different direction. but usually that's temporary, so maybe a week or two of smoke is the worst we've seen.The challenge is the interior of our province has had multiple years of smoke filled summers. Cost of living is already getting pretty high here... I wonder what will happen of the population from the interior of our province attempts to migrate to the coast...I also agree on kids. My original reason was something else, but each passing day I'm kind of glad I didn't go that route. Not because kids are bad, but what's the world going to be like in 80 to 100 years. It doesn't seem great. Everything continues to get more crowded, and more polluted. Global warming is having bigger consequences. We don't seem anywhere close to achieving emission targets. We also import so much stuff from China and similar countries, where they do our manufacturing. So even though maybe we cleanup our air a bit, we're pretty culpable for countries like China are doing to the planet.sigh....
Yeah, truthfully I think most kids are great. I know for a lot of people want kids, especially for women because it a strong natural urge to want to have a baby. And pre-industrial era, it made sense to have lots of kids. But now, in these modern times, there are very good reasons to not have kids, and there are plenty of opportunities to be a parent without having a kid. Adopting is one obvious choice. I know that can be complicated and very difficult in some places, but there are other options. I helped raise my nephews because their parents needed the help. It was a great "parenting" experience for me and them. Adults can also be Big Brother and Big Sisters. Lots of churches have opportunities to work with kids- and some that are not so religiously focused. The church I went to as a kid had this thing called "Teen Time". We had dinner as a group and fun activities. I wasn't much on religion but it was still fun and the only time I didn't like it was when my pet chicken died on the same day as Teen Time and guess what was served for dinner? Yep, true story!
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funny, i had this same idea this summer when manitoba was covered with BC wildfire smoke. I thought the same as Bill mentions here, if we have oil pipelines, why not water?brianlux said:
it seemed like such an obvious idea, I then started to doubt it. LOL. but there won't be enough (or any) profit in it, so it will have to be done by government.
and we wait......By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
funny, i had this same idea this summer when manitoba was covered with BC wildfire smoke. I thought the same as Bill mentions here, if we have oil pipelines, why not water?brianlux said:
it seemed like such an obvious idea, I then started to doubt it. LOL. but there won't be enough (or any) profit in it, so it will have to be done by government.
and we wait......
Good point... I'm afraid.
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+1brianlux said:As per the above last few posts, at what point do we say, "Enough! , from now on I'm voting for the strong environmental candidates? (In other words, Green Party or similar candidates.)I know, a lot of people are going to say, "But why do that? Why throw your vote away on a candidate that is going to lose anyway?"Perhaps the response to that could be, "Yes, true, as long as people keep voting for candidates that are not truly committed to improving environment, Green Party candidates and the like will lose and so will the environment, and so will we. You get what you vote for."And then the day will come when more and more people are dying due to extreme weather events, and when suburbs become unsustainable, and more and more parts of the oceans experience ecological collapse, and when food becomes more and more scarce, and when clean water becomes more difficult to obtain. How far off is all that? And will we wait until all that happens and then say, "Ah fuck! Why didn't we vote in candidates that are strong on environmental protection?"What are we waiting for?I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
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I told my girls on the weekend again to think really long and hard when they are older when they are of child bearing ages. I said it's not out of the realm of possibility that much of the summer in 30-40 years will be unbearably hot and you'll just spend your days rationing air conditioning because it will be in so much use the grids will probably go down repeatedly.
I fear for them.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water? Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.brianlux said:
build desalination plants, yes.
I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes? So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher? Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.
The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:
First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water? Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.brianlux said:
build desalination plants, yes.
I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes? So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher? Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.
The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?What makes me think? My brain and my willingness to use it. And because you are so sweet and kind and full of love, love, love. *Heart*Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.Oh no I don't! I was born here in 1951 and had nothing to do with my birth. Besides, the population at that time was about 28% of what it is today. AND I never reproduced. AND the whole friggin world is overpopulated, but you knew that. AND your part of the world has a greater density of population and relies on the food we export.So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?Sure it is. There are pipelines all over the place that carry toxic materials like gas and oil. At least this would be a clean pipeline.The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.
Agreed on desalinization. If Israel can do it, we can do it.Mother Nature doesn't need to cooperate. She is doing what she does which is to work hard to restore the balance of nature. That is why we have COVID and wildfires and hurricanes and floods, etc... We are the ones who need to cooperate by lowering our reproduction rate and living lighter on this earth that sustains us.
And therein lies the crux of the situation. Pipelines and desalinization are artificial solutions to human caused problems and until we learn to live in balance with nature, we will continue to have these problems. But I still think the water pipeline is a good idea because until we do that, we need water- plain and simple.And why are you so adverse to sharing in the first place? The west grows more food than we consume. Do you want us to stop sharing it? What about the technology that comes from California? Should we keep that to ourselves as well.
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this right here is the exact selfish garbage attitude that is going to keep us going down that path. like you only consume resources that are from the vicinity you live in. grow up.Meltdown99 said:
First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water? Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.brianlux said:
build desalination plants, yes.
I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes? So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher? Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.
The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I’m in Canada, why would I want to share our most precious resource with the us. Let’s get one thing straight, when US hospitals were dumping vaccines that were expired and your neighbour to North who could have used those vaccines and were begging for these vaccines your president said no..brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:
First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water? Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.brianlux said:
build desalination plants, yes.
I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes? So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher? Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.
The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?What makes me think? My brain and my willingness to use it. And because you are so sweet and kind and full of love, love, love. *Heart*Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.Oh no I don't! I was born here in 1951 and had nothing to do with my birth. Besides, the population at that time was about 28% of what it is today. AND I never reproduced. AND the whole friggin world is overpopulated, but you knew that. AND your part of the world has a greater density of population and relies on the food we export.So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?Sure it is. There are pipelines all over the place that carry toxic materials like gas and oil. At least this would be a clean pipeline.The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.
Agreed on desalinization. If Israel can do it, we can do it.Mother Nature doesn't need to cooperate. She is doing what she does which is to work hard to restore the balance of nature. That is why we have COVID and wildfires and hurricanes and floods, etc... We are the ones who need to cooperate by lowering our reproduction rate and living lighter on this earth that sustains us.
And therein lies the crux of the situation. Pipelines and desalinization are artificial solutions to human caused problems and until we learn to live in balance with nature, we will continue to have these problems. But I still think the water pipeline is a good idea because until we do that, we need water- plain and simple.And why are you so adverse to sharing in the first place? The west grows more food than we consume. Do you want us to stop sharing it? What about the technology that comes from California? Should we keep that to ourselves as well.Life is a 2 way street…your country couldn’t even share a life saving drug with their neighbours…
The US is a country that is selfish and only cares about themselves anymore…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
it must be harder to pipe water than we think…
hell Canada has plenty of water but we just can’t get clean drinking water to all indigenous communities. I understand the US has this problem as well…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:
I’m in Canada, why would I want to share our most precious resource with the us. Let’s get one thing straight, when US hospitals were dumping vaccines that were expired and your neighbour to North who could have used those vaccines and were begging for these vaccines your president said no..brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:
First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water? Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.brianlux said:
build desalination plants, yes.
I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes? So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher? Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.
The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?What makes me think? My brain and my willingness to use it. And because you are so sweet and kind and full of love, love, love. *Heart*Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.Oh no I don't! I was born here in 1951 and had nothing to do with my birth. Besides, the population at that time was about 28% of what it is today. AND I never reproduced. AND the whole friggin world is overpopulated, but you knew that. AND your part of the world has a greater density of population and relies on the food we export.So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?Sure it is. There are pipelines all over the place that carry toxic materials like gas and oil. At least this would be a clean pipeline.The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.
Agreed on desalinization. If Israel can do it, we can do it.Mother Nature doesn't need to cooperate. She is doing what she does which is to work hard to restore the balance of nature. That is why we have COVID and wildfires and hurricanes and floods, etc... We are the ones who need to cooperate by lowering our reproduction rate and living lighter on this earth that sustains us.
And therein lies the crux of the situation. Pipelines and desalinization are artificial solutions to human caused problems and until we learn to live in balance with nature, we will continue to have these problems. But I still think the water pipeline is a good idea because until we do that, we need water- plain and simple.And why are you so adverse to sharing in the first place? The west grows more food than we consume. Do you want us to stop sharing it? What about the technology that comes from California? Should we keep that to ourselves as well.Life is a 2 way street…your country couldn’t even share a life saving drug with their neighbours…
The US is a country that is selfish and only cares about themselves anymore…Well, dang! Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip either. I guess out here in the west we're screwed then. Can't blame a guy for trying!Meltdown99 said:it must be harder to pipe water than we think…
hell Canada has plenty of water but we just can’t get clean drinking water to all indigenous communities. I understand the US has this problem as well…
THAT is the damn straight shameful truth! Both countries pollute the rez. It's a crime!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
It's all good. We've hit the fall. It's raining again here. Everyone will forget about global warming again until next summer
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Zod said:It's all good. We've hit the fall. It's raining again here. Everyone will forget about global warming again until next summer
That's generally how it goes. Outta sight, outta mind!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
You know they will take it by force, right? Who needs to share.Meltdown99 said:
I’m in Canada, why would I want to share our most precious resource with the us. Let’s get one thing straight, when US hospitals were dumping vaccines that were expired and your neighbour to North who could have used those vaccines and were begging for these vaccines your president said no..brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:
First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water? Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.brianlux said:
build desalination plants, yes.
I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes? So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher? Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.
The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?What makes me think? My brain and my willingness to use it. And because you are so sweet and kind and full of love, love, love. *Heart*Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.Oh no I don't! I was born here in 1951 and had nothing to do with my birth. Besides, the population at that time was about 28% of what it is today. AND I never reproduced. AND the whole friggin world is overpopulated, but you knew that. AND your part of the world has a greater density of population and relies on the food we export.So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?Sure it is. There are pipelines all over the place that carry toxic materials like gas and oil. At least this would be a clean pipeline.The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.
Agreed on desalinization. If Israel can do it, we can do it.Mother Nature doesn't need to cooperate. She is doing what she does which is to work hard to restore the balance of nature. That is why we have COVID and wildfires and hurricanes and floods, etc... We are the ones who need to cooperate by lowering our reproduction rate and living lighter on this earth that sustains us.
And therein lies the crux of the situation. Pipelines and desalinization are artificial solutions to human caused problems and until we learn to live in balance with nature, we will continue to have these problems. But I still think the water pipeline is a good idea because until we do that, we need water- plain and simple.And why are you so adverse to sharing in the first place? The west grows more food than we consume. Do you want us to stop sharing it? What about the technology that comes from California? Should we keep that to ourselves as well.Life is a 2 way street…your country couldn’t even share a life saving drug with their neighbours…
The US is a country that is selfish and only cares about themselves anymore…I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle0 -
^ Canada pulled the same me first vaccine policy, too.I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle0 -
tish said:
You know they will take it by force, right? Who needs to share.Meltdown99 said:
I’m in Canada, why would I want to share our most precious resource with the us. Let’s get one thing straight, when US hospitals were dumping vaccines that were expired and your neighbour to North who could have used those vaccines and were begging for these vaccines your president said no..brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:
First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water? Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.brianlux said:
build desalination plants, yes.
I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes? So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher? Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.
The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?What makes me think? My brain and my willingness to use it. And because you are so sweet and kind and full of love, love, love. *Heart*Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate. You need to fix that.Oh no I don't! I was born here in 1951 and had nothing to do with my birth. Besides, the population at that time was about 28% of what it is today. AND I never reproduced. AND the whole friggin world is overpopulated, but you knew that. AND your part of the world has a greater density of population and relies on the food we export.So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?Sure it is. There are pipelines all over the place that carry toxic materials like gas and oil. At least this would be a clean pipeline.The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.
Agreed on desalinization. If Israel can do it, we can do it.Mother Nature doesn't need to cooperate. She is doing what she does which is to work hard to restore the balance of nature. That is why we have COVID and wildfires and hurricanes and floods, etc... We are the ones who need to cooperate by lowering our reproduction rate and living lighter on this earth that sustains us.
And therein lies the crux of the situation. Pipelines and desalinization are artificial solutions to human caused problems and until we learn to live in balance with nature, we will continue to have these problems. But I still think the water pipeline is a good idea because until we do that, we need water- plain and simple.And why are you so adverse to sharing in the first place? The west grows more food than we consume. Do you want us to stop sharing it? What about the technology that comes from California? Should we keep that to ourselves as well.Life is a 2 way street…your country couldn’t even share a life saving drug with their neighbours…
The US is a country that is selfish and only cares about themselves anymore…
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
OK about the water situation.
California for YEARS has been piping in water from the mountains. There is pipelines and reservoirs built already in place so yes, this has been done.
California had a law where you were not permitted to use "grey water" for your lawn and garden.
There was also a law forbidding a resident to harvest that water.
Not sure if these laws were ever changed or not.
Back to piping in the water.
The Kern River gets water from the mountains. LA gets water from the mountains. If anyone has been to LA or Palmdale/Lancaster or the high desert/Jawbone canyon, or off the 405 in Santa Clarita the moving of water is very visible.
The only problem I can see about transferring water from east to west is getting holding areas for it. Here in NY we don't have huge man made lakes or dry Washes to harness the water. We rely on lakes and such.
It still is an idea worth looking into further considering we will have more flooding it makes sense to have a place for the water to go.0
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