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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,235
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Why not?!  Great idea!

    First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?  Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate.  You need to fix that.

    build desalination plants, yes.

    I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes?  So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?  Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.

    The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.

    what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?
    What makes me think?  My brain and my willingness to use it.  And because you are so sweet and kind and full of love, love, love.  *Heart*
    Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate.  You need to fix that.
    Oh no I don't!  I was born here in 1951 and had nothing to do with my birth.  Besides, the population at that time was about 28% of what it is today.  AND I never reproduced.  AND the whole friggin world is overpopulated, but you knew that.  AND your part of the world has a greater density of population and relies on the food we export.
    So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?
    Sure it is.  There are pipelines all over the place that carry toxic materials like gas and oil.  At least this would be a clean pipeline.
    The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.
    Agreed on desalinization.  If Israel can do it, we can do it.
    Mother Nature doesn't need to cooperate.  She is doing what she does which is to work hard to restore the balance of nature.  That is why we have COVID and wildfires and hurricanes and floods, etc...  We are the ones who need to cooperate by lowering our reproduction rate and living lighter on this earth that sustains us. 
    And therein lies the crux of the situation.  Pipelines and desalinization are artificial solutions to human caused problems and until we learn to live in balance with nature, we will continue to have these problems.  But I still think the water pipeline is a good idea because until we do that, we need water- plain and simple. 

    And why are you so adverse to sharing in the first place?  The west grows more food than we consume.  Do you want us to stop sharing it?  What about the technology that comes from California?  Should we keep that to ourselves as well. 

    I’m in Canada, why would I want to share our most precious resource with the us.  Let’s get one thing straight, when US hospitals were dumping vaccines that were expired and your neighbour to North who could have used those vaccines and were begging for these vaccines your president said no..

    Life is a 2 way street…your country  couldn’t even share a life saving drug with their neighbours…

    The US is a country that is selfish and only cares about themselves anymore…
    /

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/275597/largers-donor-countries-of-aid-worldwide/


    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/09/covid-us-is-the-worlds-largest-donor-of-vaccines-data-shows.html

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    cutz said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Why not?!  Great idea!

    First you have to capture all that excess rain water, and what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?  Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate.  You need to fix that.

    build desalination plants, yes.

    I live in the Great Lakes region and I know their are treaties that govern who can take water out of the lakes?  So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?  Hoe long would it take for California to use up storm water from that storm.

    The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.

    what makes you think that those us in who have water want to share it with places that waste water?
    What makes me think?  My brain and my willingness to use it.  And because you are so sweet and kind and full of love, love, love.  *Heart*
    Have over populated their regions and continue to over populate.  You need to fix that.
    Oh no I don't!  I was born here in 1951 and had nothing to do with my birth.  Besides, the population at that time was about 28% of what it is today.  AND I never reproduced.  AND the whole friggin world is overpopulated, but you knew that.  AND your part of the world has a greater density of population and relies on the food we export.
    So it’s not so easy to just build a pipeline…and seriously Bill Maher?
    Sure it is.  There are pipelines all over the place that carry toxic materials like gas and oil.  At least this would be a clean pipeline.
    The only solution for California is desalinization plants…or for Mother Nature to co-operate.
    Agreed on desalinization.  If Israel can do it, we can do it.
    Mother Nature doesn't need to cooperate.  She is doing what she does which is to work hard to restore the balance of nature.  That is why we have COVID and wildfires and hurricanes and floods, etc...  We are the ones who need to cooperate by lowering our reproduction rate and living lighter on this earth that sustains us. 
    And therein lies the crux of the situation.  Pipelines and desalinization are artificial solutions to human caused problems and until we learn to live in balance with nature, we will continue to have these problems.  But I still think the water pipeline is a good idea because until we do that, we need water- plain and simple. 

    And why are you so adverse to sharing in the first place?  The west grows more food than we consume.  Do you want us to stop sharing it?  What about the technology that comes from California?  Should we keep that to ourselves as well. 

    I’m in Canada, why would I want to share our most precious resource with the us.  Let’s get one thing straight, when US hospitals were dumping vaccines that were expired and your neighbour to North who could have used those vaccines and were begging for these vaccines your president said no..

    Life is a 2 way street…your country  couldn’t even share a life saving drug with their neighbours…

    The US is a country that is selfish and only cares about themselves anymore…
    /

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/275597/largers-donor-countries-of-aid-worldwide/


    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/09/covid-us-is-the-worlds-largest-donor-of-vaccines-data-shows.html

    facts. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I'm surprised by some of the good folks here (who I often have agreed with on other subjects and to whom I hold no ill will at all) have a rather negative attitude about piping water to California- especially because it sounds like this is more about "screw you California" than it is about the feasibility of piping water.  And don't get me wrong- as a long-time native of this state, I have leveled many criticisms over the years for various things that have happened here. 
    One of the anti water piping criticisms is that the west is over-populated.  Well, yes it is, but that criticism seems like an ironic statement when you look at how the population of eastern America has gotten so sense that this region cannot supply enough food to feed itself and much of what supplements that supply comes from California.  You say, "No water for you!"  Should we reply. "Oh yeah?  Well then, no food for you!"  No!  I would not say that!  We need to work together.  Why is it so hard for us to be cooperative?  Is this they way of the world today? 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I've only seen one "screw california" post. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I've only seen one "screw california" post. 

    I was thinking at least a couple, but I might have misinterpreted one or two.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,879
    brianlux said:
    I'm surprised by some of the good folks here (who I often have agreed with on other subjects and to whom I hold no ill will at all) have a rather negative attitude about piping water to California- especially because it sounds like this is more about "screw you California" than it is about the feasibility of piping water.  And don't get me wrong- as a long-time native of this state, I have leveled many criticisms over the years for various things that have happened here. 
    One of the anti water piping criticisms is that the west is over-populated.  Well, yes it is, but that criticism seems like an ironic statement when you look at how the population of eastern America has gotten so sense that this region cannot supply enough food to feed itself and much of what supplements that supply comes from California.  You say, "No water for you!"  Should we reply. "Oh yeah?  Well then, no food for you!"  No!  I would not say that!  We need to work together.  Why is it so hard for us to be cooperative?  Is this they way of the world today? 

    Is the argument really let the water go down the sewer and into the ocean? Maher was talking about capturing the excess rain water wasted and not used. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm surprised by some of the good folks here (who I often have agreed with on other subjects and to whom I hold no ill will at all) have a rather negative attitude about piping water to California- especially because it sounds like this is more about "screw you California" than it is about the feasibility of piping water.  And don't get me wrong- as a long-time native of this state, I have leveled many criticisms over the years for various things that have happened here. 
    One of the anti water piping criticisms is that the west is over-populated.  Well, yes it is, but that criticism seems like an ironic statement when you look at how the population of eastern America has gotten so sense that this region cannot supply enough food to feed itself and much of what supplements that supply comes from California.  You say, "No water for you!"  Should we reply. "Oh yeah?  Well then, no food for you!"  No!  I would not say that!  We need to work together.  Why is it so hard for us to be cooperative?  Is this they way of the world today? 

    Is the argument really let the water go down the sewer and into the ocean? Maher was talking about capturing the excess rain water wasted and not used. 
    "capturing the excess rain water wasted and not used"

    Exactly.  And I don't think anyone expects this to happen with the snap of a finger.  It would be a big project, but doable.  I mean, if we could build a transcontinental railroad 152 years ago (17 years before the first automobile was patented) I'm sure we could build a water pipeline. 
    And contrary to the notion that this water would be "stolen" or taken for free, that's so unlikely.  I have no doubt the east coast would benefit financially from this.  I mean, think about it- when you buy bottled water in a grocery store, you are very likely paying more for it than you are for gasoline, especially in those wasteful 12oz/155ml bottles.  Water has value!  Like it or not, it's a commodity.
    And what about catch a basins system in cities where building and home owners and renters would be paid for the water captured?  You can bet entrepreneurs will be all over this, and anyone who can earn some money being involved in the process.  This whole notion of California "stealing" water is just silly.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/mcdonald-s-happy-meal-toys-to-go-green-globally-by-2025-1.5594896

    McDonald's Happy Meal toys to go green globally by 2025

    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Meltdown99 said:
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/mcdonald-s-happy-meal-toys-to-go-green-globally-by-2025-1.5594896

    McDonald's Happy Meal toys to go green globally by 2025


    Oh the irony!  :lol: 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm surprised by some of the good folks here (who I often have agreed with on other subjects and to whom I hold no ill will at all) have a rather negative attitude about piping water to California- especially because it sounds like this is more about "screw you California" than it is about the feasibility of piping water.  And don't get me wrong- as a long-time native of this state, I have leveled many criticisms over the years for various things that have happened here. 
    One of the anti water piping criticisms is that the west is over-populated.  Well, yes it is, but that criticism seems like an ironic statement when you look at how the population of eastern America has gotten so sense that this region cannot supply enough food to feed itself and much of what supplements that supply comes from California.  You say, "No water for you!"  Should we reply. "Oh yeah?  Well then, no food for you!"  No!  I would not say that!  We need to work together.  Why is it so hard for us to be cooperative?  Is this they way of the world today? 

    Is the argument really let the water go down the sewer and into the ocean? Maher was talking about capturing the excess rain water wasted and not used. 
    "capturing the excess rain water wasted and not used"

    Exactly.  And I don't think anyone expects this to happen with the snap of a finger.  It would be a big project, but doable.  I mean, if we could build a transcontinental railroad 152 years ago (17 years before the first automobile was patented) I'm sure we could build a water pipeline. 
    And contrary to the notion that this water would be "stolen" or taken for free, that's so unlikely.  I have no doubt the east coast would benefit financially from this.  I mean, think about it- when you buy bottled water in a grocery store, you are very likely paying more for it than you are for gasoline, especially in those wasteful 12oz/155ml bottles.  Water has value!  Like it or not, it's a commodity.
    And what about catch a basins system in cities where building and home owners and renters would be paid for the water captured?  You can bet entrepreneurs will be all over this, and anyone who can earn some money being involved in the process.  This whole notion of California "stealing" water is just silly.
    "hey, honey, jesus, our water reserve was stolen again". 

    imagine that world. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Australia's koalas are in trouble. The question is how much.




    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/mcdonald-s-happy-meal-toys-to-go-green-globally-by-2025-1.5594896

    McDonald's Happy Meal toys to go green globally by 2025


    Oh the irony!  :lol: 
    What irony…lmfao
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/mcdonald-s-happy-meal-toys-to-go-green-globally-by-2025-1.5594896

    McDonald's Happy Meal toys to go green globally by 2025


    Oh the irony!  :lol: 
    What irony…lmfao

    McDonald's gives a whole new meaning to that Kermit phrase, "It's not easy being green"!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    giving McDonald's credit for going green on their toys is like me being proud of recycling a coffee cup while tossing all my garbage in the river. come on. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    giving McDonald's credit for going green on their toys is like me being proud of recycling a coffee cup while tossing all my garbage in the river. come on. 

    Haha!  Well said!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/mcdonald-s-happy-meal-toys-to-go-green-globally-by-2025-1.5594896

    McDonald's Happy Meal toys to go green globally by 2025


    Oh the irony!  :lol: 
    What irony…lmfao

    McDonald's gives a whole new meaning to that Kermit phrase, "It's not easy being green"!
    I get it now.  Lol.

    i just wonder why 2025?  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I just thought the McDonald’s toy thing was interesting…I’m not to worried about McDonalds…they provide kids and young people a good first job..And in Ontario that’s a 14.00/hour job.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,372
    Meltdown99 said:
    I just thought the McDonald’s toy thing was interesting…I’m not to worried about McDonalds…they provide kids and young people a good first job..And in Ontario that’s a 14.00/hour job.
    Those are careers here now.  The whole living wage thing.  It's a step in the right direction.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    I just thought the McDonald’s toy thing was interesting…I’m not to worried about McDonalds…they provide kids and young people a good first job..And in Ontario that’s a 14.00/hour job.
    Those are careers here now.  The whole living wage thing.  It's a step in the right direction.
    Good point.  Minimum wage should be closer to 17/18 in Ontario…fuck it’s expensive here now…

    im glad I’m semi retired and own my home…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,412
     Housing in Alaska can’t survive climate change. This group is trying a new model.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/09/24/alaska-housing-climate-change/

     

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