“Seattle is Dying” KOMO Doc.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

It will not get any better, all these cities will continue to see the epidemic continue as the opioid crisis grows and as affordable living continues to be out of reach by many in these cities.

Not true. My city and province is actually now taking many effective steps to make things better.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

It will not get any better, all these cities will continue to see the epidemic continue as the opioid crisis grows and as affordable living continues to be out of reach by many in these cities.

Not true. My city and province is actually now taking many effective steps to make things better.

Then I am glad.  Do you know if they would share what they are doing that is working?  Other cities/provinces need to see what's working.

I still say the affordability issue needs to be addressed at the federal level...

And no way anyone will anyone ever convince that Vancouver or Toronto will ever be affordable again...unless everyone wants to live on top of each other...no thanks I like my space.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

It will not get any better, all these cities will continue to see the epidemic continue as the opioid crisis grows and as affordable living continues to be out of reach by many in these cities.

Not true. My city and province is actually now taking many effective steps to make things better.

Then I am glad.  Do you know if they would share what they are doing that is working?  Other cities/provinces need to see what's working.

I still say the affordability issue needs to be addressed at the federal level...

And no way anyone will anyone ever convince that Vancouver or Toronto will ever be affordable again...unless everyone wants to live on top of each other...no thanks I like my space.

Well it's in the news, so all other cities and provinces have to do is pay some attention.

I agree that regular housing affordability isn't going anywhere - there will have to be a major economic collapse for that to happen... and that's not impossible. I'm at the point where I'm actually hoping for one TBH.

But BC and Vancouver are doing things like changing zoning laws so that developers have to include some affordable rental accommodations in their plans and shit like that. Such things have just started with the new governments, so in infancy. But it's happening. Also, the province and city are building modular housing with supports built in for the homeless to live in for super cheap, shit like that. Also, hospitals are starting to open OD wards so that their ERs aren't overwhelmed by OD cases, and so that the addicts coming in are taken care of better, and offered help and support options while they're there instead of just being sent on their way when medically able to leave.

Meltdown99

My instincts tell me BC is no better off than any large city.  And you are right it's on the news.  Including the homeless who move into parks and leave their dirty needles everywhere, or Saanich BC where kids were using dirty needles as darts ... if that's progress...no thanks.  Not the place I'd live.

Report of kids using discarded needles as darts prompts warning from Saanich police
https://globalnews.ca/news/5073618/saanich-needle-darts/

Meltdown99

Vancouver fails to build any affordable market rental in 2018 for households making $30K to $50K
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-council-reforms-1.5081363?fbclid=IwAR0rGVLHEU9yoe0pxjK-h38j7HpOsn15vlo57tVDrbChkNU_c1fTK0oXlRM

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

My instincts tell me BC is no better off than any large city.  And you are right it's on the news.  Including the homeless who move into parks and leave their dirty needles everywhere, or Saanich BC where kids were using dirty needles as darts ... if that's progress...no thanks.  Not the place I'd live.

Report of kids using discarded needles as darts prompts warning from Saanich police
https://globalnews.ca/news/5073618/saanich-needle-darts/

I would never suggest BC doesn't have major problems. All I am saying is that BC is indeed finally starting to address them proactively. That is why I said these measures are still in their infancy. The BC Libs fucked the province up royally, and the NDP are only just starting to try and reverse some of that impact.

It is true, the middle income earners in Vancouver (like me) have yet to reap any benefits in this context, really, although some things have just started to be done to stop the most urgent problems for them too, such as arbitrary renovictions, and getting rid of the additional 2% allowable annual rent increase on top of inflation. As I have moaned about many times, Vancouver is mired in a housing affordability crisis. But by point was that steps are now being taken to try and start helping. The biggest benefits so far have been seen by those in poverty and the homeless, with the module housing projects I mentioned, new hospital services, etc.

tempo_n_groove

Go Beavers said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I have no idea where NYC is hiding all these homeless...

Sarcasm? I can’t always tell. 

Do you live here?  I read a report that there are 63,000 homeless in NYC alone!  I walk there everyday and I do not see 65000 people on the streets.

In reference there are 12000 homeless in Seattle and that is very visible.

I did just learn that NY houses most of the homeless and they just increased housing for them under Diblasio.  Literally just learned this.  I knew that the homeless would be gathered up during really cold nights and it is against the law/inhumane to be out there in the cold like that.

Someone just posted an article above on it too.  TY

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

Go Beavers said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I have no idea where NYC is hiding all these homeless...

Sarcasm? I can’t always tell. 

Do you live here?  I read a report that there are 63,000 homeless in NYC alone!  I walk there everyday and I do not see 65000 people on the streets.

In reference there are 12000 homeless in Seattle and that is very visible.

I did just learn that NY houses most of the homeless and they just increased housing for them under Diblasio.  Literally just learned this.  I knew that the homeless would be gathered up during really cold nights and it is against the law/inhumane to be out there in the cold like that.

Someone just posted an article above on it too.  TY

That must be the difference. NYC has enough shelters. Seattle must not. And Seattle is so much more mild in the winter, it's not hard to live on the streets for most if not all of an average winter. We do have the odd cold snap on in the region, and I don't know about Seattle, but in Vancouver, the city opens emergency shelters when there is a cold snap so that nobody freezes to death. And just last winter they opened a bunch of more permanent warming centers around metro Vancouver for the winter months, which people can sleep in in dire circumstances, but are more for the homeless to drop by, warm up, have some hot coffee or tea, use a phone I think, and access resources to help them work their shit out, or to access warm clothing and blankets, stuff like that.

JB16057

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/1-in-3-seattle-residents-is-considering-leaving-costs-crime-are-to-blame/

1 in 3 Seattle residents is considering leaving. Costs, crime are to blame

Go Beavers

JB16057 said:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/1-in-3-seattle-residents-is-considering-leaving-costs-crime-are-to-blame/

1 in 3 Seattle residents is considering leaving. Costs, crime are to blame

I wonder how that compares to other cities

Halifax2TheMax

Go Beavers said:

JB16057 said:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/1-in-3-seattle-residents-is-considering-leaving-costs-crime-are-to-blame/

1 in 3 Seattle residents is considering leaving. Costs, crime are to blame

I winder how that compares to other cities

I thought everyone knew that Seattle had fallen? Guess not.

F Me In The Brain

Seattle and SF are almost unrecognizable vs 30 years ago.  Population and tech explosion is the issue,imo.  This pushed fhe other stuff up as well.

Used to be 2 of my favorite cities.  Now, I don't have much love for either one.  Perfectly happy to never visit again....and I used to fo to SF at least 1x a month for years.  Loved it.  

I'm sure it will be politicians who are to blame but in this case I think it is more tech companies / greed.  

tempo_n_groove

Go Beavers said:

JB16057 said:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/1-in-3-seattle-residents-is-considering-leaving-costs-crime-are-to-blame/

1 in 3 Seattle residents is considering leaving. Costs, crime are to blame

I winder how that compares to other cities

NYC they are leaving in droves.

One thing that is interesting is we are getting a bunch of retrofit jobs in the commercial buildings.  Like multiples.  They have floors and floors of empty commercial real-estate in these buildings.

These building owners believe they will come back but I don't know...

My sister lives in Seattle and she has reiterated again that she is fed up with it also.

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

Seattle and SF are almost unrecognizable vs 30 years ago.  Population and tech explosion is the issue,imo.  This pushed fhe other stuff up as well.

Used to be 2 of my favorite cities.  Now, I don't have much love for either one.  Perfectly happy to never visit again....and I used to fo to SF at least 1x a month for years.  Loved it.  

I'm sure it will be politicians who are to blame but in this case I think it is more tech companies / greed.  

Resources.  If you have resources then people will utilize them.

Laws with no consequences.

F Me In The Brain

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Seattle and SF are almost unrecognizable vs 30 years ago.  Population and tech explosion is the issue,imo.  This pushed fhe other stuff up as well.

Used to be 2 of my favorite cities.  Now, I don't have much love for either one.  Perfectly happy to never visit again....and I used to fo to SF at least 1x a month for years.  Loved it.  

I'm sure it will be politicians who are to blame but in this case I think it is more tech companies / greed.  

Resources.  If you have resources then people will utilize them.

Laws with no consequences.

I think you missed why I dislike those cities now.
It doesn't have to do with lawlessness, homeless, or any of the stuff the press tells us about.  
I probably didn't explain properly....which is that the overruling of both cities in a mad rush to look like Tokyo and all of the bullshit that goes along with that.  Both of these explosions were driven by tech.

I'll let others worry about the lawlessness and homeless reports.  All large cities have similar issues.

Hobbes

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Seattle and SF are almost unrecognizable vs 30 years ago.  Population and tech explosion is the issue,imo.  This pushed fhe other stuff up as well.

Used to be 2 of my favorite cities.  Now, I don't have much love for either one.  Perfectly happy to never visit again....and I used to fo to SF at least 1x a month for years.  Loved it.  

I'm sure it will be politicians who are to blame but in this case I think it is more tech companies / greed.  

Resources.  If you have resources then people will utilize them.

Laws with no consequences.

I think you missed why I dislike those cities now.
It doesn't have to do with lawlessness, homeless, or any of the stuff the press tells us about.  
I probably didn't explain properly....which is that the overruling of both cities in a mad rush to look like Tokyo and all of the bullshit that goes along with that.  Both of these explosions were driven by tech.

I'll let others worry about the lawlessness and homeless reports.  All large cities have similar issues.

My sister lived in Seattle for many years and has since moved. She stated the city changed when Amazon occupied South Lake Union, Belltown, and surrounding areas.

F Me In The Brain

Hobbes said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Seattle and SF are almost unrecognizable vs 30 years ago.  Population and tech explosion is the issue,imo.  This pushed fhe other stuff up as well.

Used to be 2 of my favorite cities.  Now, I don't have much love for either one.  Perfectly happy to never visit again....and I used to fo to SF at least 1x a month for years.  Loved it.  

I'm sure it will be politicians who are to blame but in this case I think it is more tech companies / greed.  

Resources.  If you have resources then people will utilize them.

Laws with no consequences.

I think you missed why I dislike those cities now.
It doesn't have to do with lawlessness, homeless, or any of the stuff the press tells us about.  
I probably didn't explain properly....which is that the overruling of both cities in a mad rush to look like Tokyo and all of the bullshit that goes along with that.  Both of these explosions were driven by tech.

I'll let others worry about the lawlessness and homeless reports.  All large cities have similar issues.

My sister lived in Seattle for many years and has since moved. She stated the city changed when Amazon occupied South Lake Union, Belltown, and surrounding areas.

And I'm sure it changed it for the (much) worse.

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

Hobbes said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Seattle and SF are almost unrecognizable vs 30 years ago.  Population and tech explosion is the issue,imo.  This pushed fhe other stuff up as well.

Used to be 2 of my favorite cities.  Now, I don't have much love for either one.  Perfectly happy to never visit again....and I used to fo to SF at least 1x a month for years.  Loved it.  

I'm sure it will be politicians who are to blame but in this case I think it is more tech companies / greed.  

Resources.  If you have resources then people will utilize them.

Laws with no consequences.

I think you missed why I dislike those cities now.
It doesn't have to do with lawlessness, homeless, or any of the stuff the press tells us about.  
I probably didn't explain properly....which is that the overruling of both cities in a mad rush to look like Tokyo and all of the bullshit that goes along with that.  Both of these explosions were driven by tech.

I'll let others worry about the lawlessness and homeless reports.  All large cities have similar issues.

My sister lived in Seattle for many years and has since moved. She stated the city changed when Amazon occupied South Lake Union, Belltown, and surrounding areas.

And I'm sure it changed it for the (much) worse.

Not so much.  They are the few areas where the homeless don't run rampant.  Imagine that?

So I get what you mean about the towns.  They grew up too big.  I see that.

Go Beavers

tempo_n_groove said:

Go Beavers said:

JB16057 said:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/1-in-3-seattle-residents-is-considering-leaving-costs-crime-are-to-blame/

1 in 3 Seattle residents is considering leaving. Costs, crime are to blame

I winder how that compares to other cities

NYC they are leaving in droves.

One thing that is interesting is we are getting a bunch of retrofit jobs in the commercial buildings.  Like multiples.  They have floors and floors of empty commercial real-estate in these buildings.

These building owners believe they will come back but I don't know...

My sister lives in Seattle and she has reiterated again that she is fed up with it also.

Yeah there’s people who want to move in every city and people who like the city they’re in (which the poll also shows about people who want to stay in Seattle, which is the majority). I ask how it compares to other cities because these things get accelerated because of the politicization of cities being “democrat run shitholes” in the last 10-12 years. How many people want to get out of republican run Oklahoma City? 

F Me In The Brain

Go Beavers said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Go Beavers said:

JB16057 said:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/1-in-3-seattle-residents-is-considering-leaving-costs-crime-are-to-blame/

1 in 3 Seattle residents is considering leaving. Costs, crime are to blame

I winder how that compares to other cities

NYC they are leaving in droves.

One thing that is interesting is we are getting a bunch of retrofit jobs in the commercial buildings.  Like multiples.  They have floors and floors of empty commercial real-estate in these buildings.

These building owners believe they will come back but I don't know...

My sister lives in Seattle and she has reiterated again that she is fed up with it also.

Yeah there’s people who want to move in every city and people who like the city they’re in (which the poll also shows about people who want to stay in Seattle, which is the majority). I ask how it compares to other cities because these things get accelerated because of the politicization of cities being “democrat run shitholes” in the last 10-12 years. How many people want to get out of republican run Oklahoma City? 

Do many even want to go there?  Lol.