The Democratic Candidates

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 11,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Specious is a good word for it,  or unnecessarily hyperbolic. 
    Agreed. I m not a booker fan at all, if he does drop out I hope he loses next election but seeing nj is as blue as can be I don’t see it happening. 
    I have no issues with him,  but I think the gun culture is so perverse in this country, and the right laws are lacking,  that hyperbole is counterproductive.  I think you might disagree with that. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 18,628
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Specious is a good word for it,  or unnecessarily hyperbolic. 
    Agreed. I m not a booker fan at all, if he does drop out I hope he loses next election but seeing nj is as blue as can be I don’t see it happening. 
    I have no issues with him,  but I think the gun culture is so perverse in this country, and the right laws are lacking,  that hyperbole is counterproductive.  I think you might disagree with that. 
    I actually liked booker’s idea of training but I don’t see it gaining any traction. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 4,551
    njnancy said:
    And people want this guy to be president instead of Bernie

    https://twitter.com/justicedems/status/1127212935556812800
    I don't know why you are so pro-Bernie, but to each their own.  I think you can qualify as a Bernie Bro soon.

    He has a horrible record on gun control, that is a disqualifying policy stance for me. 

    I am sick of people being shot everywhere and children being subconsciously traumatized by the damn things.

    Bernie may be a socialist, but he likes guns without regulations. He may change his tune now, but that is not his true position. 

    Down vote. 
    Because I've got a feeling, a feeling deep inside that Bernie isn't chained to the patriotic/nationalistic indoctrination that you can see in the eyes of far to many Americans - from politicians, to journalists to regular folks.

    And I think being freed from that gives great possibilities to open up for honest and productive change. Patriotism is, as stated by Sean Connery in The Rock, a virtue of the vicious.

    Compared to Biden, who I bet is "same ol' same ol' the greatest experiment ever created and the legend of the godly founding fathers and the american spirit"


    I've done AA's Steps 4-9 twice so I am blatantly aware of my own bullshit. But thanks for the reminder. 

    Bernie has many ideas for making America more socialist, in a good way, as universal healthcare, free tuition, taxing the millionaires and billionaires (though he only says billionaires now that he finally released his taxes and, oh look, he's a millionaire - nothing wrong with it, but it hurts his talking point), clean energy, etc. Where Bernie does not make the cut is in several main areas that are necessary to be elected and to be a good President

    1 - he does not fully work through his policies to say how he will  manage to pay for EACH of his policy ideas (besides 'let's tear down Wall Street' which would displace many, many regular everyday workers, in pursuit of ending Capitalism)  or how he will get it through a bipartisan Congress or how he would actually implement them, in detail.  I don't want happy ideas. I want facts. 

    2 - The implementation of all of his policies would be AS chaotic to the country as Trump, just from the opposite end of the spectrum.  A   failing of the Democratic Socialists is a lack of self realization that their imposition of ideas on the country is just as fascist as the far Right doing all the crazy shit it is doing right now.  Progressives do not see any wiggle room. The system needs to be overhauled and anyone who does not agree with ALL of their ideas and accept them unconditionally is WRONG and not worthy of consideration. They know what's best, in the same way the pro-life zealots are uncompromising in their position regardless of their overreach, and expect everyone to accept their policies NOW because they know what is best for the country. That is not how you reach Americans and it is heavy handed no matter if I agree with the end result or not. It took everything Obama had to get Obama Care passed, in a watered down form due to Congressional negotiations, and it took his first 2+ years in office to get it passed. How is Bernie going to change everything he says he will? Especially if he is not interested in negotiating with those who are not on the same page. 

    3 - He has no foreign policy experience. Our standing in the world is completely screwed up because we have someone in office who knows nothing about foreign policy and does not care to learn. Bernie may be willing to learn, but he has been in Washington for a long time and ran for President once already. The fact that he hasn't taken time to become more knowledgeable about the world is not a good sign.  We need someone who knows how the hell diplomacy works and how to appoint people who can start to fix our broken relationships, get us back into the treaties and accords we bailed on and do it all without starting a war somewhere. 

    4 - He represents a state that is almost entirely white. He has not been interested in reaching out to minorities in his time in office and his last Presidential run. He has not shown diversity in his campaign staffing and his outreach to minority communities so far has been extremely lacking. You can not win the Democratic nomination, or the Presidency without the backing of black women. They are the backbone of the Democratic Party. They were responsible for a lot of the 2018 upsets. They do not like Bernie and he isn't trying to understand the needs of the black community. And he voted for the crime bill so he has that on his record too.  

    5 - The people who back him are eerily similar to the people who back Trump. Not in ideology, but in their cult like devotion. They were willing to throw the election to Trump because they were so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the nomination. That may be great for a rock band or a movie star, but it is not a good thing to have as a politician. He has done nothing to temper his rhetoric to cause those who support him to understand that the most important thing is getting Trump out of office, no matter who the Democratic nominee is.

    6 - He does not help his fellow Senate and Congressional candidates who are running in 2020 (he didn't do so in 2016 and I do not see any change in how he views the election), with money or endorsement. He has a purity test for candidates and he also just seems to care about Bernie winning without thinking of the need for change in the Senate and holding onto the Congress. 

    So aside from the gun issue, I see a lot of bullshit in Bernie's campaign. I know where my political bullshit lies, but I want to win and Bernie is not going to win the Presidency against Trump. You may not realize it, but the way you defend Bernie is just like his supporters. It is dismissive of anyone who thinks differently, instead of trying to see why they think what they think.  He would have his base and people who would vote Democratic because we want Trump out, but there are major forces in the Democratic Party who would not turn out for him. Just like other major Democratic strongholds did not turn out for HRC. 

    This is how it works in America. It's a fine dance and a big country with people of diverse political beliefs. I believe the country would keep the far Right fascist instead of swinging all the way around to vote for the far Left fascist. But I can understand why you find him appealing. America is not Sweden. There are policies that Sweden has which I think would be great in America, but I only have one vote. And I actually don't even have that because of the damn electoral college. 


  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 12,316
    edited May 14
    njnancy said:
     America is not Sweden. There are policies that Sweden has which I think would be great in America, but I only have one vote. And I actually don't even have that because of the damn electoral college. 
    Well, as someone so famously sang once -- change don't come at once, it's a wave building before it breaks.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 5,846


    Another Dem entering a crowded field...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 11,814


    Another Dem entering a crowded field...
    theoretically he takes votes from Biden, but I can't see him getting any traction.  He's a little known governor from a lesser known state.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 19,882
    mrussel1 said:


    Another Dem entering a crowded field...
    theoretically he takes votes from Biden, but I can't see him getting any traction.  He's a little known governor from a lesser known state.  
    Almost by nature a repub.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 5,846
    mrussel1 said:


    Another Dem entering a crowded field...
    theoretically he takes votes from Biden, but I can't see him getting any traction.  He's a little known governor from a lesser known state.  
    I was surprised Montana had a dem governor...was the election held on the day there was a blizzard keeping voters home...lol
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 12,316
    What do these no-names think when there are 20 people ahead of them running...
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,695
    Betto and Abrams should've run for the senate.
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    Tulsi Gabbard on Rogans podcast....


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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 18,628

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/joe-biden-2020-democratic-nomination-donald-trump/index.html

    Washington (CNN)The main storyline in the 2020 presidential race is this one: There are just so many candidates!!! 

    And there are! With Montana Gov. Steve Bullock's announcement Tuesday morning, there are now 22(!) candidates running for the Democratic nomination. And that field could grow even larger later this week, when New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is set to make a decision on his future political plans.
    But there's another below-the-radar story that is emerging: Joe Biden is way, way out ahead of the rest of the giant field.
    According to the Real Clear Politics average of national polling, Biden now has a 23.5-point lead over Bernie Sanders (and the rest of the pack). That's a massive leap for Biden from even a few weeks ago, when his lead was just 6 points over Sanders in RCP numbers. Biden is also ahead in Iowa (+4 in RCP averages), New Hampshire (+13 in RCP) and South Carolina (+23.5). (Nevada, which holds an early caucus, hasn't had enough polling to produce real averages.)
      Now, Biden's bump is quite clearly the result of positive press surrounding his entrance into the race after months of hemming and hawing. The former vice president's rollout has been spot on, with none of the gaffes or negative press coverage that hamstrung his attempt to build momentum in the run-up to the announcement.
      The most likely outcome, then, is that Biden's numbers return to earth somewhat after the initial glow of his announcement wears off. But even "returning to earth" will likely mean Biden's lead nationally is in -- at minimum -- the 10- to 15-point range. Which is still significant, especially if he continues to lead in key early states like Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.
      All of which raises an interesting possibility: What if, in this giant field, Biden runs away with the nomination? For all the focus on how many people are running, the race could effectively be over on February 3, 2020, if Biden crushes the field in the Iowa caucuses.
      To be clear: This is not the most likely scenario. Primary voters -- in both parties -- tend to like competitive races. They don't like coronations. Hillary Clinton, at this point in the 2016 election, had a far larger lead over Sanders than Biden does today. And that primary fight wound up being far closer -- and lasting much longer -- than anyone would have imagined at the time.
      But there are three reasons to think Biden could -- emphasis on could -- run away and hide with the nomination.
      1) He's broadly liked within the party. Biden's lead over his rivals is not solely the result of his superior name identification. It's also because he is viewed quite favorably by Democrats of all stripes. In the latest CNN poll, conducted late last month, more than 8 in 10 Democrats said they have a favorable view of Biden while just 12% had an unfavorable one. That's remarkable -- especially for someone who has spent such a long time in politics. And Biden's favorability numbers are quite consistent among various demographic groups: Whites (79% favorable), non-whites (84%), men (76%) and women (86%).
      2) He's running very strong with black voters. In 2008 and 2016, the foundational pillar of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's winning coalitions in their Democratic primaries was African-American voters. And, right now, Biden appears to have a similar numbers among that key constituency. As I noted above, he is viewed hugely favorably among non-white voters nationally. And, in the key state of South Carolina -- where black voters comprise almost two-thirds of the Democratic primary electorate -- Biden is running very strongly. A new South Carolina primary poll showed Biden at 46% overall, well ahead of Sanders, who was second with 15%. Among black voters in that poll, Biden was at 58%!
      3) He doesn't have much competition for the establishment mantle. While more than a dozen of the candidates running are seeking to be the liberal champion in the primary, there's scarce competition for Biden in the establishment/centrist lane of the race. Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar is trying to be that sort of candidate, but starts well behind Biden. Ditto Bullock, who starts well behind even Klobuchar. South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg remains something of a tabula rasa in terms of how he is positioning himself in the race but could, if he so chose, be a potential problem for Biden in the sensible centrist lane. But at the moment, Biden is running ahead in that space -- and with very little obvious competition.
      No voters will cast a ballot for president for another 265 days. And history suggests that fights for presidential nominations rarely get less competitive as the votes draw nearer. But there is a path for Biden -- albeit it a narrow one -- to walk to the nomination. The question i
      I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
    • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 4,551
      njnancy said:
       America is not Sweden. There are policies that Sweden has which I think would be great in America, but I only have one vote. And I actually don't even have that because of the damn electoral college. 
      Well, as someone so famously sang once -- change don't come at once, it's a wave building before it breaks.
      Thank you for your thoughtful response to my thoughtful post. 

      As someone once sang 'You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need'.

      Also 'Stir it up, little darling, stir it up'
    • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 12,316
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
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    • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,021
      edited May 14
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
    • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,853
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!

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    • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 4,551
      Pete Buttigieg on Jimmy Fallon (from Morning Joe clip) discussing Trump's comparing him to Alfred E. Neuman -

      https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/buttigieg-laughs-off-trump-calling-him-alfred-e-neuman-59581509946

      I like this one even better than the first. 

      He'll make a great President someday - he should run for Senate!


    • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,869
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
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    • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,695
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I agree. The hate for profit stuff may be true....but, yeah, it's not like Hannity or Tucker Carlson would moderate the thing. 
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    • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,021
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
    • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,853
      edited May 14
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
      But having that on Fox News is far more preferable than literally anything else on Fox News at any given time. It's not like the usual Fox News content isn't harmful. I support any and all non-Fox content on Fox News, for the benefit of all. The more the better. It just might get through to some viewers, and also reduce the amount of absolute right wing garbage/fake news that is airing.
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    • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,021
      PJ_Soul said:
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
      But having that on Fox News is far more preferable than literally anything else on Fox News at any given time. It's not like the usual Fox News content isn't harmful. I support any and all non-Fox content on Fox News, for the benefit of all. The more the better. It just might get through to some viewers, and also reduce the amount of absolute right wing garbage/fake news that is airing.
      good point, but they can also use it as quotes taken out of context on their other shows as right wing spin. and it would be that much more effective when it's footage from their own studio and hosts. 
    • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,869
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
      I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 
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    • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,853
      PJ_Soul said:
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
      But having that on Fox News is far more preferable than literally anything else on Fox News at any given time. It's not like the usual Fox News content isn't harmful. I support any and all non-Fox content on Fox News, for the benefit of all. The more the better. It just might get through to some viewers, and also reduce the amount of absolute right wing garbage/fake news that is airing.
      good point, but they can also use it as quotes taken out of context on their other shows as right wing spin. and it would be that much more effective when it's footage from their own studio and hosts. 
      Well, that's true, they would take some things out of context for those never ending banners they have displayed with out-of-context headlines.... Thought they do that either way, so at least those watching the live airing of the content would get the truth. :lol:
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    • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,021
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
      I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 
      yes, you're right actually. she's basically doing her version of "basket of deplorables". 
    • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 12,316
      It sounds like you haven't completely read what Warren wrote, with the criticism you are giving.
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    • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,853
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      I personally see both sides of the argument and agree with both. I don't like that Fox News exists at all, and I would like for everyone to boycott it, and also see how those who don't boycott it kind of help it succeed even more and help to validate it as a legit news source, which really really really sucks. I also think what I already said about the benefits of those who would like to boycott it to appear on it and have their say instead. Both choices are basically bad, because Fox News is bad. Rock and a hard place.
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    • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,869
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
      I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 
      yes, you're right actually. she's basically doing her version of "basket of deplorables". 
      I actually thought the same thing. Even almost used "deplorable" in my post.

      Another thing worth noting is there's been some cries of unbalanced coverage of the male and female candidates, with Bernie, Biden, and even Pete getting way more attention than Harris, Warren, etc. So to be offered this town hall should be looked at as a great opportunity. 
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    • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,440
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
      I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 
      yes, you're right actually. she's basically doing her version of "basket of deplorables". 
      I actually thought the same thing. Even almost used "deplorable" in my post.

      Another thing worth noting is there's been some cries of unbalanced coverage of the male and female candidates, with Bernie, Biden, and even Pete getting way more attention than Harris, Warren, etc. So to be offered this town hall should be looked at as a great opportunity. 
      I agree with this. Also, keep in mind that there are Fox viewers who are Republican but are part of the #nevertrump camp. My dad is one of those. A Fox News watcher for some reason, but also a Trump hater, who has written his congressman on numerous occasions demanding he start the impeachment process. Those viewers may find a good alternative to voting Trump if a message is heard that resonates. So while Warren likely won't pick up a lot of support from an appearance like this, she just may strike a chord with some of the viewers who may see her in a different light. Who knows? Anyway, the opportunity to speak to the "opposition" to make your case should never be dismissed out of hand.
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    • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,695
      jeffbr said:
      Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

      All aboard the Warren train!
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

      I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 
      I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 
      I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 
      I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 
      yes, you're right actually. she's basically doing her version of "basket of deplorables". 
      I actually thought the same thing. Even almost used "deplorable" in my post.

      Another thing worth noting is there's been some cries of unbalanced coverage of the male and female candidates, with Bernie, Biden, and even Pete getting way more attention than Harris, Warren, etc. So to be offered this town hall should be looked at as a great opportunity. 
      I agree with this. Also, keep in mind that there are Fox viewers who are Republican but are part of the #nevertrump camp. My dad is one of those. A Fox News watcher for some reason, but also a Trump hater, who has written his congressman on numerous occasions demanding he start the impeachment process. Those viewers may find a good alternative to voting Trump if a message is heard that resonates. So while Warren likely won't pick up a lot of support from an appearance like this, she just may strike a chord with some of the viewers who may see her in a different light. Who knows? Anyway, the opportunity to speak to the "opposition" to make your case should never be dismissed out of hand.
      Is your dad wanting to cast his vote for Bill Weld?
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