The Democratic Candidates

Jason P

A thirteenth candidate has joined ... a true man of the people who is delivering the only campaign promise that I trust.  

Lerxst1992

Hi! said:

brianlux said:

I take poll results with a grain but I can't help but find this interesting in light of Biden still being referred to as "the front runner".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/25/elizabeth-warren-biden-national-poll-democrats-bernie-sanders

Elizabeth Warren tops Democratic candidates in national poll for first time

New Quinnipiac survey finds Massachusetts senator polling at 27% with Biden on 25% and Sanders 16%

There is no doubt that she is trending upwards, and I find it interesting as well. It’s interesting what polls get highlighted when there are other polls, with larger sample sizes, that show something totally different. 

There is no strong #2 moderate to act as Bidens wing (wo)man. Warren has been allowed to operate with no heat on her lately

Harris would have been great for this spot but she decided to join team m4a and attack Biden over busing. Maybe its Pete but I worry the USA isn't ready for him.

Point it, Warren has been allowed to skate thru this process so far with no challenge.  Biden stumbles on the debate stage because he knows he should be calling out her policies as extreme, but his instincts are to be a gentleman.  

The good thing about 12 debaters is dems will have 2 nights in the spotlight. The bad news is Biden/ Warren may be split, and there will not be anyone on her night to challenge her policies as extreme (and they play right into the GOP's attack plan). 

Hi!

Lerxst1992 said:

Hi! said:

brianlux said:

I take poll results with a grain but I can't help but find this interesting in light of Biden still being referred to as "the front runner".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/25/elizabeth-warren-biden-national-poll-democrats-bernie-sanders

Elizabeth Warren tops Democratic candidates in national poll for first time

New Quinnipiac survey finds Massachusetts senator polling at 27% with Biden on 25% and Sanders 16%

There is no doubt that she is trending upwards, and I find it interesting as well. It’s interesting what polls get highlighted when there are other polls, with larger sample sizes, that show something totally different. 

There is no strong #2 moderate to act as Bidens wing (wo)man. Warren has been allowed to operate with no heat on her lately

Harris would have been great for this spot but she decided to join team m4a and attack Biden over busing. Maybe its Pete but I worry the USA isn't ready for him.

Point it, Warren has been allowed to skate thru this process so far with no challenge.  Biden stumbles on the debate stage because he knows he should be calling out her policies as extreme, but his instincts are to be a gentleman.  

The good thing about 12 debaters is dems will have 2 nights in the spotlight. The bad news is Biden/ Warren may be split, and there will not be anyone on her night to challenge her policies as extreme (and they play right into the GOP's attack plan). 

Do we know for sure it will be two nights? It makes sense , but I thought they hadn’t come to a decision yet. I think Warren could face some challenges, when it comes to debates, from Klobuchar, Gabbard, Beto. If she’s the nominee, she needs to face these challenges in primary so she’s battle tested and can show she can weather attacks in the general.
I had also read an article recently that talked about how the Bernie campaign is starting to challenge Warren on some things. 

Ledbetterman10

Biden says he wouldn't have run if it Jeb or some other Republican was president. He was pissed off after Charlottesville and wants to take down Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQm0D6o9jg

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

Biden says he wouldn't have run if it Jeb or some other Republican was president. He was pissed off after Charlottesville and wants to take down Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQm0D6o9jg

I can't watch the entire clip while at work, but if that's what he said, he really needs to work on his messaging. "beating trump" is not a platform. the job doesn't end on election night. 

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Biden says he wouldn't have run if it Jeb or some other Republican was president. He was pissed off after Charlottesville and wants to take down Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQm0D6o9jg

I can't watch the entire clip while at work, but if that's what he said, he really needs to work on his messaging. "beating trump" is not a platform. the job doesn't end on election night. 

I didn't take it as "Vote for me because I'm not Trump" but rather that Trump's awfulness (especially following Charlottesville) was just inspiring for him to get in the race. Now if he becomes the nominee and all he has to offer is that he's not Trump, then I agree that's not a platform.

PJ_Soul

I think "beating Trump" will actually be one of the most important and successful campaign messages for anyone running. Not the only one of course, but one of the most effective. Especially now.

Kat

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

I think "beating Trump" will actually be one of the most important and successful campaign messages for anyone running. Not the only one of course, but one of the most effective. Especially now.

my problem with that, and again, I can't watch the clip right now, is that means he didn't care enough to run until Trump was in. that means his heart isn't in it, since beating trump obviously comes before doing the actual job. 

Jearlpam0925

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

This is in store for whom ever the Dem candidate ends up being.

dignin

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

Will anyone believe republicans by election day?

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think "beating Trump" will actually be one of the most important and successful campaign messages for anyone running. Not the only one of course, but one of the most effective. Especially now.

my problem with that, and again, I can't watch the clip right now, is that means he didn't care enough to run until Trump was in. that means his heart isn't in it, since beating trump obviously comes before doing the actual job. 

That actually reminds me a bit of Trump's campaign. I contend that while he was all-for the idea of running for president, and becoming more famous than he's ever been, he wanted nothing to do with actually being the president. There's no way he could be enjoying this. He could be golfing with Tom Brady and tweeting about the love life of the stars of the Twilight movies, which is way more up his ally.

So I agree, if he isn't all-in, a Biden presidency could be a mess (relative to normal presidents, not Trump). 

JimmyV

dignin said:

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

Will anyone believe republicans by election day?

60+ million Americans will still vote for their nominee on election day. If Trump didn't chase them away in 2016 then nothing will. 

PJ_Soul

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

I really just can't bring myself to accept a perspective of paranoia fueled by widespread irrationality created by brainwashing as a decent reason to not want a candidate to win the primaries. I feel like if this is the reasoning behind support for Biden over Warren or Sanders or anyone else, favouring someone who will essentially just perpetuate the status quo in a failing system, America's done for.

Lerxst1992

Jearlpam0925 said:

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

This is in store for whom ever the Dem candidate ends up being.

That was exactly Warren's defense and it was very weak.

Its assuming undecided voters are not smart enough to figure out whether a " you're a socialist" attack has merit or not. A liberal like me was even insulted by it.

In her case, her central policy will easily be labeled as a socialist mandate. She will be labeled as unamerican. 

And such a better policy was right there for her to pick. Like Mayor Pete did. Now there's a smart candidate. 

Lerxst1992

PJ_Soul said:

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

I really just can't bring myself to accept a perspective of paranoia fueled by widespread irrationality created by brainwashing as a decent reason to not want a candidate to win the primaries. I feel like if this is the reasoning behind support for Biden over Warren or Sanders or anyone else, favouring someone who will essentially just perpetuate the status quo in a failing system, America's done for.

The  #1 issue for non R voters by a 4 to 1 margin is ironically "beat trump."  It was polling at 40% while healthcare was at 10%.

M4A demonstrates bad decision making by a warren and Sanders in a country that just voted for trump. Let people that want govt healthcare  pick it and call it choice and competition, something we can all get behind 

People are calling Biden status quo should consider that the public option would be the most revolutionary new domestic policy since FDR.

brianlux

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

I guess I don't know what "radical" means anymore, Kat.  Warren keeps being labeled a "radical", often by the same people who support Trump.  How's that for irony! 

Jearlpam0925

Lerxst1992 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

This is in store for whom ever the Dem candidate ends up being.

That was exactly Warren's defense and it was very weak.

Its assuming undecided voters are not smart enough to figure out whether a " you're a socialist" attack has merit or not. A liberal like me was even insulted by it.

In her case, her central policy will easily be labeled as a socialist mandate. She will be labeled as unamerican. 

And such a better policy was right there for her to pick. Like Mayor Pete did. Now there's a smart candidate. 

Talk about a candidate with a ton of hollow policy stances.

cincybearcat

brianlux said:

Kat said:

As much as I want a woman president before i die, I'm so afraid that Elizabeth will be painted with a Socialist label and they'll liken it to make her out as a Communist because so many people don't know the difference and many won't care. It'll be a smear-fest instead of talking about policies...I miss those days. Of course, she'll have my vote. What would be the defense against that kind of branding?

I guess I don't know what "radical" means anymore, Kat.  Warren keeps being labeled a "radical", often by the same people who support Trump.  How's that for irony! 

Takes one to know one?

HughFreakingDillon

trump seems to have succeeded in branding the entire democratic party as radical now because of the Squad. man, so many republicans are bloody sheep.